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Old 06-30-2007, 06:51 PM
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How about if the target audience is BOTH 13-14 year olds, AND older, adult people? One meaning for the kids, another for the adults. In which case, neither interpretation is false, both are true.

I'm quite certain that's the case. (I'm also certain that plenty of 13-14 year olds can appreciate the adult version, too. Perhaps not 9-10 year olds.)


You"re in the hearth of what, in my view, start the disagreement between Mylène et Alizée. There IS a double meaning in JEAM and some other song of Alizée. Mylène wrote it. And that the way she does in her own lyrics.( everybody know that in France).
Shes famous to have a very sexy and sexual content in her own songs.

It appears that Alizée was , maybe, not so happy with that in the end...

On the TV show you can see her moving and acting in a very provocative ( but classy) way...
In the Live Tour, you can see that she's seems more moderate, cause her audience is full of 10 to 13 ye boys and girls!!

So, double meaning is fun. But that's make a marketing problem.
Too hot for child.
Too childish for adult.

She was not comfortable with that. I thing that's why she stopped every thing.
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Old 06-30-2007, 07:26 PM
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That's interesting, Dan.

We were talking about Mylène earlier, and after that I went to YouTube and watched a whole bunch of Mylène's videos that I hadn't seen in a while. Then I came back here and watched a lot of Alizée. (An enjoyable way to spend a couple of hours.) Despite the fact that the music in each case was written by the same people, the feel of the performances is totally, totally different.

I started thinking about the differences between the two. And what I finally decided is that it's easier to point up the similarities, because there aren't many. Really, just two: both are very sexy, and both have good voices.

Somewhere else, I talked about Alizée's sexuality as including innocence, not by being non-sexual, but by being sexual without any ugly overtones, and with a way of conveying that sex is good and nobody has any business thinking otherwise. The expression I used was "sexuality before the Fall of Man." Well, Mylène definitely gives us sexuality after the Fall. Her sexiness is tainted with the idea of wrongdoing, spiced with sin, and made piquant with the forbidden. Alizée's is not. It's a pure pagan sexuality, as if Christian ideas about sex had never existed.

The differences between the two women probably meant that their collaboration had to come to an end eventually. As brilliant as Mylène is, she's not necessarily the best person to be writing songs for Alizée.

This kind of thought makes me more eager than ever to see what Alizée does with her new album, the first post-Mylène album.
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Remember, Mylène was simply looking for a Lolita. Alizée lost most of that image after MCE (they said it couldn't be done), so it was a matter of time before Mylène was finished with giving Alizée's career a jumpstart. Now, she's ready to take it on her own.
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When I first heard that MF/LB were not going to be doing Alizée's new songs I was concerned at first. I am a fan of Mylene, but I think it was LB's music that I would miss the most.

But as time passes I am more and more excited to see what Alizée will do without them. I want to see Alizée the way she wants to be seen, without all the outside influences.
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That's interesting, Dan.

We were talking about Mylène earlier, and after that I went to YouTube and watched a whole bunch of Mylène's videos that I hadn't seen in a while. Then I came back here and watched a lot of Alizée. (An enjoyable way to spend a couple of hours.) Despite the fact that the music in each case was written by the same people, the feel of the performances is totally, totally different.

I started thinking about the differences between the two. And what I finally decided is that it's easier to point up the similarities, because there aren't many. Really, just two: both are very sexy, and both have good voices.

Somewhere else, I talked about Alizée's sexuality as including innocence, not by being non-sexual, but by being sexual without any ugly overtones, and with a way of conveying that sex is good and nobody has any business thinking otherwise. The expression I used was "sexuality before the Fall of Man." Well, Mylène definitely gives us sexuality after the Fall. Her sexiness is tainted with the idea of wrongdoing, spiced with sin, and made piquant with the forbidden. Alizée's is not. It's a pure pagan sexuality, as if Christian ideas about sex had never existed.

The differences between the two women probably meant that their collaboration had to come to an end eventually. As brilliant as Mylène is, she's not necessarily the best person to be writing songs for Alizée.

This kind of thought makes me more eager than ever to see what Alizée does with her new album, the first post-Mylène album.
Aha, I was kind of wondering what you meant when you referred to Alizée as "pagan" in your post a while back, and now your clarification in this post makes it more clear to me.

I was going to to write some speculations but then I realized they were exactly that (speculations) and thus probably superfluous.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:48 PM
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I read the J'en ai Marre analysis and I am flabbergasted. I would never have seen it like that. Wow, just wow.
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Well, I think as many people have opined, the linked R-rated analysis is (in my mind anyway) clearly over the top and bordering on parody, but several essential points are there.
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Absolutely true, F^2. The R-rated one is simply showing the extreme to which you can go if you look that hard for the underlying theme. My interpretation of the song is right between the simple "I'm fed up" and the more interpreted, well, you know.
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You know what would really make the analyses in this thread complete? It would be really great if the French lyrics were put there along with the English translations in the line-by-line summaries. That would make it the canonical one-stop shopping for Anglophones who want to learn the lyrical content. Thoughts? Thanks!
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Mylene is a sick crackhead.Why would she give such nasty lyrics to such a "innocent",adorable and cute being like Alizee. I`m glad Alizee is working alone this time.
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