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Old 11-05-2008, 03:11 PM
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If you think we're in a crisis now, just wait until 78 million baby-boomers retire and are eligible for Social Security and Medicare.
Indeed. The impact that the aging boomers are going to have on the economy, the health care system, and society in general is going to be huge. The next ten years or so are going to be interesting, to say the least.
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:26 PM
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A little video about the Biography of Barack Obama entitled, A Mother's Promise.

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^^ After watching this video I still can't think Republican Ass-Wipes called this guy a "terrorist" or he is "un-American". His story represents the Qunitiscential American dream. His grandfather fought in WWII, while his grandmother worked in the WWII assembly line helping the Allied cause. He came from a very humble background, his folks weren't exactly rich like Bush.

As most of you know I am die-hard Obama supporter and have been supporting him since the beginning (as indicated by my Obama sigs), so it means so much more to me. It still seems surreal to me that he actually won. It's kind of hard to believe. We need someone exactly like Barack Obama at this point in time to restore our standing in the world which was savagely destroyed by Bush. The whole World wanted Obama to win. Can't wait till Jan. 20th!
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:04 PM
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A little video about the Biography of Barack Obama entitled, A Mother's Promise.

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^^ After watching this video I still can't think Republican Ass-Wipes called this guy a "terrorist" or he is "un-American". His story represents the Qunitiscential American dream. His grandfather fought in WWII, while his grandmother worked in the WWII assembly line helping the Allied cause. He came from a very humble background, his folks weren't exactly rich like Bush.

As most of you know I am die-hard Obama supporter and have been supporting him since the beginning (as indicated by my Obama sigs), so it means so much more to me. It still seems surreal to me that he actually won. It's kind of hard to believe. We need someone exactly like Barack Obama at this point in time to restore our standing in the world which was savagely destroyed by Bush. The whole World wanted Obama to win. Can't wait till Jan. 20th!
The countries that don't like us are mainly communist, marxist, or socialist. What a surprise they like Obama.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:05 PM
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Congratulations Obama- I may not agree with a single thing you propose but I can at least hold out hope that this will help to end the collectivist sentiments that prolong racism- maybe even vindicate my home, the South. Its always an uphill battle to convince people I (and my fellow statesmen and southerners) am not a racist simply because I live, and love to live, in South Carolina, maybe even especially because I didn't vote for Obama.

However, I would like to make a few points. Politics, especially as winner-take-all as we have, are not a horse race. This is only the beginning- he's got 4 years to prove people right or wrong. As well, a monarch has not been elected. We should not be expected to swear fealty to him, and we should not treat him with a divine reverence, as I have seen people do and say we should do. The man was elected by a majority of states to be the most powerful man on the planet- and we should treat him with scrutiny and awareness befitting of a single man holding that much power.

As well, I agree with Ed- things won't change much. The spending won't decrease, it will just differ. The military presence won't lessen, merely shift. The richest will find ways around taxation and the burden will once again fall on the middle class. We've had 20 years of ever-increasing government (yes, with 3 republican terms) and those that jumped ship because it wasn't more of the same may be disappointed.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:10 PM
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Nothing has changed.

Both parties have followed ruinous fiscal policies, both parties have supported the "Leave America Behind Act" (NAFTA and its clones) resulting in manufacturing jobs flowing overseas.

Both parties have continued (since the Johnson administration) to borrow money from social security (putting in IOU's that in effect say "the people of the USA borrow from the people of the USA, payable "someday").

Both parties continue to be dominated by lawyers - being the most *important* segment of society, of course...

The major differences between the parties (Republican and Democrat) are all on social issues... Gun Control, Separation of Church and State, Welfare - hell, they don't even differ on "corporate welfare" that much...

Barak Obama will, in all probability make a decent president, maybe even good. But unless he has bigger stones than I have seen from him so far, its back to business as usual after the national popularity contest is over...

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+5. Well said, sad but true.

Good for you for not resorting to insulting opinions and name-calling, or insulting other members for not having the same opinions and beliefs as you, unlike a few others here.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:03 PM
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I'm very glad that Obama was elected. The choice was clear. On the one side a pragmatic, young, charismatic leader on the other a candidate with his best days behind him with a running mate who would have been a real embarrassment had she ever succeeded him.

That being said, I don't expect Obama to work miracles. And he doesn't have to. Technology will take care of that. Forget all those studies that make predictions about the number of retirees in 2050 or something because the world will have changed beyond all recognition by then. I'm a believer in an extropian/transhumanist future (as I've stated before) and so I think that technology will solve all of our present day problems (and create more interesting, exciting ones in the process) and that the singularity is pretty much inevitable (and I for one hope that it is inevitable). Vinge says we'll get there in 2030, Kurzweil says 2045. Doesn't matter in the end.
But Obama will maybe speed things up a little by implementing a smart science policy. I'm somewhat encouraged by what I've seen from him regarding the future of the space program or biotechnology. I think he has a better grasp on the world that is and the world that is coming simply because he is still young.

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Old 11-05-2008, 06:17 PM
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I am very happy with the outcome. I think Obama really is a transformational figure and that is what we need right now. There is a lot of hard work ahead and I hope we can all show the world that we are still up to the task.

I think those who feared an Obama presidency will find that they will be able to put their concerns behind them. He is a calm, even tempered man who is very deliberate and logical in his thought process, and not driven by a single ideology. Even though we may not always agree with him, I think he is a man that most people will be able to work with. I am feeling more optimistic about our future again, even if the road ahead is going to be hard.

I wonder what Alizée and Jérémy thought. They must have seen the huge crowds last night in NYC. It’s sort of strange to think that they were here to witness this historical moment in America.
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:28 PM
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Surely Obama will need to prove himself over the next few years. However, last night was historic regardless. Both for who Obama is and what he said. Throughout this campaign people have criticized Obama for only being able to make good speeches. I don't believe that, though time will tell. But those people seem to forget the power of speech - that it is important. What we say inspires action and changes the world. Last night Obama used the example of an 106 year old African American woman who voted in this election to illustrate the social progress that's been made over the past century. He then encouraged everyone to look beyond themselves toward the promise of a better future, and think about what progress can be made in the next 100 years. I believe that message transcends party lines and politics, and hope that for one moment everyone was able to put their cynicism aside and embrace it.

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Old 11-05-2008, 07:53 PM
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BYE BYE Neo-Con Nazi Scum
I'm not even sure what you mean by that, but if saying that about Republicans or a certain Republican in particular, it's a pretty offensive and immature thing to say. Leave the bashing for somewhere else, even if it's not directed.

(Naturally, if I'm horribly misunderstanding you, I apologize beforehand)


It's not only a win for Obama and the rest of the world; it's a win for democracy, with more young voters than ever. A new found interest in politics will benefit the country for decades to come.
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Old 11-05-2008, 08:31 PM
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Just wait and see once this historic moment honeymoon phase is over and see how everything will be the same like the past, then people's opinions will change. As long as there is a Republican and a Democrat running our country there will never be true change. If Americans wanted true change then we should had the opportunity to hear from the third parties and elect one of them into office. The first thing I want Obama to show us how he is as a leader is to deport his illegal aunt that has been living in The US for four years costing tax payers money. I can't believe Obama did not know of a family member who has been living in the US illegally. I have friends from other countries who came to the US and had to go through red tape to become a legal US citizen. I have no repsect for people breaking the law and to have our future president allow this to happen.
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