Another reason "WE" love our Alizée

[ALS]

When I introduced my older brother to Alizée he was floored by her.
He pointed out how she was so sexy with out being slutty like Britney.

Well it seems people are starting to see something they don't like in the music industry. There is a rising backlash against the sexualising of kids today by popular acts.

With Alizée we all know that will never happen in her performances and lyrics.

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The man who helped launch the career of Kylie Minogue yesterday condemned modern pop culture for 'sexualising' youngsters.

Mike Stock, one third of the legendary pop factory Stock, Aitken and Waterman, said: 'The music industry has gone too far. It's not about me being old fashioned. It's about keeping values that are important in the modern world.

'These days you can't watch modern stars - like Britney Spears or Lady Gaga - with a two-year-old.

'Ninety-nine per cent of the charts is R 'n' B and 99 per cent of that is soft pornography.'

He continued: 'Kids are being forced to grow up too young. Look at the videos. I wouldn't necessarily want my young kids to watch them.
'I would certainly be embarrassed to sit there with my mum.'

Mr Stock, 58, pictured below, was behind the rise of Miss Minogue in the late 1980s when she stormed the charts with I Should Be So Lucky.
In the accompanying video, she wore a simple black cocktail dress. The lyrics were similarly innocent.

In contrast, 24-year-old Lady Gaga, who burst on to the scene two years ago, has regularly used crude metaphors in her lyrics as well as posing in revealing outfits.

Mr Stock believes that today's children are being 'sexualised' as a result of images put out by the pop industry of stars such as Lady Gaga

[Marquis<3Alizée]

That is true, and it's pathetic some parents let their kids listen to that crap.

[Människöpesten]

tis the reason why i was so hooked by alizée in the first place.

[Scruffydog777]

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Mylene Farmer as far as what she's accomplished, her talents and abilities, but in my mind, there is no doubt she tried to sexualize Alizée.

Alizée when she was discovered by MF at the age of 15 must have been very impressionable. Could have easily followed in Mylene's footsteps. In fact I think Alizée was proud of her beauty and her sexuality. But early in her career, I don't think she realized how quickly so many people could turn something she thought was being a little bit sexy into something perverted. But she knows that all too well now. So I'm sure we'll still see a little bit of sexiness in her future performances,after all sex is a part of life, but it won't be the trashy kind that we see so much of today.

[woohoo]

I like some of lady gagas music. Although when women do dress revealingly I lose some respect for them. I'm not going to lie and say I'm not atracted to them. It's just that if I met them in real life that's all they are known for and I wouldn't really want to be freinds. Although if a woman can be atractive without having to wear less clothes, like Alizee , it makes her even more beautiful. Women who HAVE to wear revealing clothes to get noticed are a little disgraceful. Look up lady gaga before she was famous, she was very pretty but now she kind of ugly.

Woo

I'm still in the hospital please pray for me. Alizee is keeping my hopes up.

[ALS]

Originally Posted by Scruffydog777

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Mylene Farmer as far as what she's accomplished, her talents and abilities, but in my mind, there is no doubt she tried to sexualize Alizée.

There is a line between dressing sexy and dressing like a slut.

Mylene may have used Alizée's youth and sexuality to promote her but she never ever came close to crossing that line. Even after leaving Mylene, pursuing her career on her own Alizée got more conservative in her clothing choices when performing. I wouldn't call a baby-doll dress a sexually provocative piece of clothing.

[Deepwaters]

It's hard to define what exactly crosses over the line. I feel that in many ways we worry too much about exposing kids to sex and too little about exposing them to violence.

Did Mylène present a sexualized image of Alizée? Certainly. Rather a kinky one to begin with, too, the seductive ingenue, the invitation to pederasty. This was consciously chosen -- the name of her first hit song shows that. This was a role that Mylène herself was too old to play, so she searched for a teenage girl that could do it and found one. Mylène's own act, of course, is often highly sexual, but it would have been absurd for a woman in her 30s, however sexy and attractive (and Mylène Farmer is certainly that!), to try to take on the role of Lolita.

But I don't see anything wrong with what Mylène crafted for Alizée, nor with the modified but still sexually charged role that she played in the MCE era.

What causes a performance to cross the line between sexy and vulgar? It's not easy to say and to a degree it's a result of the viewer's own expectations. A lot of people seem to find Lady Gaga vulgar. As far as the sexuality in her performances, I don't, although sometimes she can be a bit garish. On the other hand, I do feel that way about Lilly Allen a lot of the time.

There have been many performers who were at once highly sexual and artistically first rate. Besides Mylène, classic examples are Madonna and Freddy Mercury. Watch the video of Madonna's "Like a Dream" or Queen's "This Thing Called Love." Incredibly sexy. "Like a Dream" shades over into the spiritual while "This Thing Called Love" slips into humor, so they're very different, but both highly charged with sex, yet neither one is in any way vulgar.

It doesn't have anything to do with how much is revealed by an outfit, I think. If I were to pick out what makes a sexy performance vulgar or otherwise to me, I would say that an artistically sexy performance gives you the feel that you're seeing and interacting with a whole person, not just a set of genitalia. It includes passion, internal or external conflict, and aspects of a person other than sex, which are always included in real sex (if it's any good). It's kind of like the difference between erotica and pornography. Erotica has broader dimensions to it and is more human. Porn is just animal sex without any depth to it.

There's the word I'm looking for: depth. How much depth is there to a performance? That matters a lot more than how much skin is shown.

[babyblue558]

Originally Posted by ALS

There is a line between dressing sexy and dressing like a slut.

Well said! Mylène-era Alizée often dressed sexy but never slutty. She always kept her dignity and was sexy in a classy way rather than a slutty way. I wouldn't be worried with kids watching Alizée music videos because she always kept her clothes on and the sexual references in the lyrics were usually based around double meanings, rather than being blatantly dirty. In other words, an adult would get the sexual connotations but they are likely to pass over the head of a kid. Most modern female pop singers don't retain this dignity, walking about in underwear and jamming dirtiness and swear words in wherever possible. I wouldn't want kids to be exposed to this kind of thing, but they see it every day.

[Scruffydog777]

Originally Posted by ALS

Mylene may have used Alizée's youth and sexuality to promote her but she never ever came close to crossing that line..

I'm not sure about that. There's a lot of debate of what the lyrics of Moi Lolita and J'en ai marre really mean. Some of the interpretations are quite contreversial. Some one pointed out to me the controversiality of the red shoe that was on stage during En Concert that was designed by MF. I think Mylene thought that sex in every shape and form was a normal part of life and had no problem with protraying Alizée in some very sexy ways.

[User22]

Originally Posted by Scruffydog777

I'm not sure about that. There's a lot of debate of what the lyrics of Moi Lolita and J'en ai marre really mean. Some of the interpretations are quite contreversial. Some one pointed out to me the controversiality of the red shoe that was on stage during En Concert that was designed by MF. I think Mylene thought that sex in every shape and form was a normal part of life and had no problem with protraying Alizée in some very sexy ways.

Hmm, never knew the shoe had something to do with it...

But yah I think it's safe to say that we can now call ML by Mylene "Sex-Lover" Farmer...It's funny how Alizee realized what was going on but did it anyway, it was the opportunity of a lifetime for Alizee, so she did whatever she needed to be a star, and oh how I appreciate that