i want to move to paris.

[RMJ]

Originally Posted by bt_bird_90

c'mon newalizeefan, please keep the hatred of certain countires to yourself, I can respect your right to an opinion but I'm invoking my own right to be an ass, try to keep that stuff off the forum at least, thanks

Maybe he is from America ? If so, he has all the rights to tell it sucks.

[bt_bird_90]

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[newalizeefan]

Originally Posted by rcs

Newalizeefan,

I know what you mean about Sacramento. I lived there for a few years and kept waiting for that city to explode in population and fun. It never happened, but it's what you make of it I guess. If it makes you feel better, I remember reading that Sacto has the most trees for its size just 2nd to Paris. LOL


Good Luck with your conquest to move to Paris.

lol. yea i might only be hating the US because i live in sacramento lol. theres other factors but id rather not say, considering the truth is hard to handle.

[Moe]

i would like to hear your humble opinion on the matter, bt_bird_90

[bt_bird_90]

Originally Posted by RMJ

Maybe he is from America ? If so, he has all the rights to tell it sucks.

Exactly, and my point is that I have the right to say his telling of it sucking sucks; gotta love those beautiful American freedoms.

[RMJ]

Umm...I don't think "freedom" and "America" fits in the same phrase.

[bt_bird_90]

I'm just going to keep my mouth shut and not type another word, else I could end up getting banned.



Good day to you, sirs.

[CFHollister]

Originally Posted by RMJ

Umm...I don't think "freedom" and "America" fits in the same phrase.

I am an American that is very well aware of this country's many faults, domestically and internationally, presesntly and in history. And I am also an American who is very often critical of my own country and may too chose to emmigrate out of dissatisfaction. However, a realistic assessment of the United States or the "American Dream" should not be taken too far to the other extreme. "America" and "freedom" most certainly are words that belong in the same phrase. Ok sure, not everyone in the United States may be equally free (but this is not a condition that is met in any country in the world), and there may even be countries which in some rational asssesment may be "more free" than the United States, or the way the United States has conducted itself in other countries may not coincide with its own proclaimed ideals of freedom. However, it is simply undeniable that the citizens of the United States enjoy a great deal freedom, especicially compared to many other parts of the world. And I also have the hitorical perspective to know that this degree of freedom in the world is a direct result of the republican movements started in both the United States and France at the end of the the 18th century. Now I have no delusions about the "greatness" of the United States. But at the same time I am fully aware, and greatful, that I live in one of the countries in the world where I am free to persue a life of my chosing within certain economic and social limitations which have not been eliminated in any society now or in any part of history; and that I enjoy the freedom to voice whatever critisisms of this country that I chose... conditions which certainly do not exist in many other parts of the world.

I chose to be realistic about the extent and limitations of "American freedom," but that realism cannot not be taken to the point of your statements. To do so in all seriousness is just as innane as taking an untainted pro-American position, and is likely to illicite even stronger reactions than this one. I suggest that this discussion may not need to take place on a site dedicated to Alizée and may even be removed, not to supress anyone's right of speech, but for lack of appropiateness and towards the intent of this site.

EDIT: I'm here to share in the collective adoration of Alizée and participate in the community of fans brought togther here... not to debate politics or topics that so easily entangle themselves with politically charged issues.

[bt_bird_90]

Thank you CFHollister.

[RMJ]

lol... you guys take way too seriously to be American.

If I'd say the same words to any other nationality and they couldn't care less what I just said.

That's why it's fun of making fun of Americans every now and then. You know exactly what the response will be. It's definitely my second favorite right after religions.

Hmm... or should being American to be considered as religion actually ?