[MDO] Alizée's Career

[User22]

Any thread labeled with [MDO] is meant for Mature Discussion Only. This means that while in this thread, you agree to only discuss and debate in a mature, and civil manner, even if you dont agree with the content/ideas presented.

You will remain respectful to all members, and to Alizée

No attacks on people, ideas, or opinions.


If you are unable to discuss the topic in a civil mature way, then this topic is not for you! Posts that violate this rule may be removed.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________

See now how hard was that? I'll bet you a nickel that you read the first line above and read this line last. So I think it is an effective but more "cheap" way of doing the mature discussions. People read the rules at the top of the thread first so they know the stuff below may not be suitable for them. See, this wasn't that hard now was it? Let's see how it plays out...

[Euphoria]

Honestly, I think her singing career is basically over. It would take such a huuuuuuge overhaul to really make her successful again and I just don't think she has the drive or desire anymore. I know her last two albums were an attempt to go outside the box and explore but there is a reason underground music is underground. Frankly, its not that hard to look at the charts and see what is popular. Take that and make something of your own out of it. I've said this before but, I think she got a bit cocky (as would most people in this situation) about her fame from MF. Unfortunately, the French are very fickle when it comes to music and her most hardcore fans really only buy her new albums because they're hers. I'm not trying to be a bitch or only point out her failures but, she has made some bad mistakes and it has cost her.

I mean no disrespect, but she needs to quit F@#%&ING up if she doesn't want to be a joke in France.

[user472884]

Originally Posted by Aaronius31

You will remain respectful... to Alizée

Originally Posted by Euphoria

but she needs to quit F@#%&ING up if she doesn't want to be a joke in France.

mmmhmmm

Go ahead, supermods, go for it. I don't mind.

Edit:

But then again, what do you count as being "successful"?

Being on Yahoo News everyday and being at the end of every aisle in Target?

Or doing what she enjoys doing, and having a loyal fanbase who will support her...

I know which one I would choose.



I just think she's doing what she wants and what she's comfortable with... if she wants more, she'll go for it. That's all I have to say about that.

[Euphoria]

What do I count as successful? Well, first of all, selling albums. I wouldn't call Psychedelices a failure but, the album sales weren't great and her "tour" was kind of a joke. Also, there were only 2 singles. I don't think I need to say much about UEDS. We all know it was a complete commercial failure and there was little promotion for the album.

So on my list of being successful I'd say.....

1. album sales
2. being played on the radio
3. sold out concerts
4. maintaining a stable spot on the charts

But, if she enjoys what she is doing IE: Les Enfoires and designing cat scarves...more power to her.

[Rev]

I like this. Simple. Open to all. An elegant solution.



The real question is does she have the will to build her career? She had it easy in the beginning. Now that she is really getting a sense of what it will take to succeed - will she decide that she is willing put in the necessary effort? If she does, I have no doubt that she will eventually find her way. She is a smart woman, and she is learning the business - both by her successes and (probably even more) by her failures. She can do it - IF she chooses to.

[user472884]

Originally Posted by Euphoria

1. album sales
2. being played on the radio
3. sold out concerts
4. maintaining a stable spot on the charts

Figures.

Regards,

Jalen

[Deepwaters]

Originally Posted by Euphoria

her most hardcore fans really only buy her new albums because they're hers.

This is self-evidently untrue. If it were true, UEDS would have sold better. I bought it because I liked it. So I suspect did most of the people who bought it. Most of it could be heard without spending the money, so those who heard it and didn't like it didn't buy it. Very few people, if any, bought it solely because it was hers.

Also self-evidently untrue is the idea that she is selling scarves because she needs the money, like a businessman in the Depression selling apples on the streets. She still has good royalties coming in from the three albums that sold reasonably well, and Jérémy has a solid career going as a composer. She does not need money at all.

In the end, she is the only one who can decide what the standards of success are. I have nothing but contempt for the idea that an artist has to be topping the charts constantly or should be considered a failure. That's part and parcel of the loathsome American tendency to judge a person by how much money he brings in. On the other hand, I do think that, to the extent Alizée did want to be a chart-topper, she must bear some of the blame for failing to promote her work effectively.

[Euphoria]

Do I really have to bust out the charts?

[Deepwaters]

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Do I really have to bust out the charts?

No, you have to justify arguing that they are all that matters.

[Euphoria]

Well....selling albums kinda means you're successful. I never said they're all that matters, but it seems like people keep making excuses for her. Make all the excuses you want, her career is still in the toilet.