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Old 06-18-2007, 02:41 PM
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The problem is, of course, that I may never again be able to not see it.
Sorry. But Mylène wrote the lyrics, I didn't.

Anyway, one should not confuse innocence with asexuality. In her performances, Alizée is a pagan at heart, at times quite strongly erotic, but innocent of any malice or crudity. She may well be that way as a person, too -- there are some indications. Why, aside from the lingering poisonous residue of puritanism, do we think that a person must not exist from the waist down in order to be innocent and pure?

There is nothing wrong with the double meaning of this song. If it had been treated more blatantly, it would have been kind of gross, but that would have been an aesthetic flaw, not a moral one. And in fact it was not treated blatantly; it's subtle, titillating, and nicely spicy. Very good work by both Mylène and Alizée.
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Just another nitpicky thing that's bothering me about Anthony's analysis:

"Qui ne roulent qu'à deuxà l'heure" implies someone going too slow -- not too fast. So I don't see how it could have the meaning he was giving it.
Perhaps she's fed up with people who, um, do it too slow to her, so she has to do it herself, if you get my drift.
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Sorry. But Mylène wrote the lyrics, I didn't.

Anyway, one should not confuse innocence with asexuality. In her performances, Alizée is a pagan at heart, at times quite strongly erotic, but innocent of any malice or crudity. She may well be that way as a person, too -- there are some indications. Why, aside from the lingering poisonous residue of puritanism, do we think that a person must not exist from the waist down in order to be innocent and pure?

There is nothing wrong with the double meaning of this song. If it had been treated more blatantly, it would have been kind of gross, but that would have been an aesthetic flaw, not a moral one. And in fact it was not treated blatantly; it's subtle, titillating, and nicely spicy. Very good work by both Mylène and Alizée.
Perhaps I should have added a or something. I never said not ever being able to avoid that interpretation was a bad thing .

Actually, so I think there was some difference between the March 1, 2003 performance and the Eurobest performance on this hand-gesture detail. Perhaps the dance evolved throughout its history. Maybe someone would be willing to take on a research project to examine all the videos and catalogue the changes. Can you imagine the title of the resulting writeup? Maybe "Evolution of Feminine Onanistic Innuendo in Contemporary Pop Music Choreography: A Case Study"...?
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Maybe someone would be willing to take on a research project to examine all the videos and catalogue the changes. Can you imagine the title of the resulting writeup? Maybe "Evolution of Feminine Onanistic Innuendo in Contemporary Pop Music Choreography: A Case Study"...?
Check with RMJ to make sure he hasn't written that up already
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Wow, Alizée really does have her hands way closer on Eurobest! Any closer, and they'd be in her pants! Mystery solved.
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But how old is the little girl in JEAM?
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If you're referring to Lili, she was 18 at the time. Good thing, too!
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J'en ai marre analysis not done by Anthony
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I think this JEAM analysis (which is not Anthony's) is way over the top. I believe there is a reference to masturbation in the lyrics, but its not the main point of the song. I like Cooney's translations the best:

http://moi-alizee.us/forums/showthread.php?t=612
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While Cooney's interpretation is great, the problem with it is that it's an approximation between the basic one and the onanistic one. It's an excellent compromise between the two, but I think that one should personally decide between the two.
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