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Riccardo 10-04-2008 09:08 AM

Alizees popularity?
 
What do you guys think wil Alizee be as popular as she was before? Even myself I struggle a bit keeping up with news as not much is happening and the interest decreases..

lefty12357 10-04-2008 12:00 PM

I don't think she will ever be as popular overall as she was in the Gourmandises era. That was a "one in a million" long shot where the stars aligned perfectly for her, and is not likely to be achieved again.

I do believe she has opportunities to gain popularity in other countries as she has in Mexico, and I don't think it's too late for her to gain some back in France and Europe. But there has been a lack of effective marketing by her record company (which I hope is going to change) and she doesn't seem willing to connect to her fans by herself. I think it’s important for her to take some of these matters into her own hands to hang on to what she has accomplished so far with this current album and not let the momentum and interest die.

As I and others have said in other posts, one thing she could do is to make use of the bulletin feature on her myspace page to maintain a connection with her fans and keep interest up. I think it would really help her maintain or increase her popularity if she would reach out to her fans a bit more. Other than that, this is a tough time in the music industry. All the more reason for her to do what she can to hold on to her fan base.

TheBarrett 10-04-2008 12:24 PM

She needs more fan interaction, surprises, and promotion, also she needs a better record company because the old one was crap and I don't know how the new one will do.

Also she needs to head a specific direction, as much as I love experimentation, that's not what society today loves, and society today likes one-toned albums (for the most part).

Aside from that, she'll have a good rise in popularity again, Gourmandises-era-esque? I have to say, not really.

mavsluver41 10-04-2008 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty12357 (Post 116748)
I don't think she will ever be as popular overall as she was in the Gourmandises era...I don't think it's too late for her to gain some back in France and Europe....I think it’s important for her to take some of these matters into her own hands to hang on to what she has accomplished so far with this current album and not let the momentum and interest die

I agree with Lefty on all accounts. The thing is, she could easily make a bulletin or connect with her fans in some other way, but simply doesn't. Yes her record label was incompetent and negligent, but in the end, it all depends on whether her heart is into it, and whether she is truly willing to reach that level of popularity again. She is the arbiter of her own fate in my opinion. The concert coming up will be a huge point in her career, whether up or down from there is yet to be seen.

Lerxst 10-04-2008 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsluver41 (Post 116750)
...but in the end, it all depends on whether her heart is into it, and whether she is truly willing to reach that level of popularity again.

That's one thing that has struck me about Alizee since her comeback. I get the feeling that she doesn't want to become too popular again. It looks like she wants to be successful enough that she can make a living at this, but not so successful that it interferes with her personal and family life.

I think that's one of the reasons she has mentioned for not trying to crack the American market. She's worried that if she makes it big here, the media will swallow her up (a la Britney and the rest) and she won't be able to have a private life.

Rev 10-05-2008 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mavsluver41 (Post 116750)
I agree with Lefty on all accounts. The thing is, she could easily make a bulletin or connect with her fans in some other way, but simply doesn't. Yes her record label was incompetent and negligent, but in the end, it all depends on whether her heart is into it, and whether she is truly willing to reach that level of popularity again. She is the arbiter of her own fate in my opinion. The concert coming up will be a huge point in her career, whether up or down from there is yet to be seen.

I agree. She has the ability to communicate easily with her fans. The fact that she is not communicating more is evidence of a choice she is making. The question is why?

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Originally Posted by Lerxst (Post 116771)
That's one thing that has struck me about Alizee since her comeback. I get the feeling that she doesn't want to become too popular again. It looks like she wants to be successful enough that she can make a living at this, but not so successful that it interferes with her personal and family life.

I think that's one of the reasons she has mentioned for not trying to crack the American market. She's worried that if she makes it big here, the media will swallow her up (a la Britney and the rest) and she won't be able to have a private life.

I get mixed messages on this. I agree that she wants to maintain a sane family life. However, I do think she wants to be more popular in France than she currently is.

Rocket 10-05-2008 06:55 AM

On of the things I never liked about Alizee was her connection with her fans. There are several 'super' stars who don't connect with their fans but still maintain a large following. Harrison Ford comes to mind. But if you're going to have a myspace then you are expected to say something to your fans. When I had my own myspace I had Alizee and Shakira on my friends list. I have recieved several comments and bulletins from Shakira but nothing from Alizee.

Idéaliser 10-05-2008 11:26 AM

She might be able to pull something like it off if she interacted with fans more, maybe do another stars à domicile xD

Topaz 10-05-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lerxst (Post 116771)
That's one thing that has struck me about Alizee since her comeback. I get the feeling that she doesn't want to become too popular again. It looks like she wants to be successful enough that she can make a living at this, but not so successful that it interferes with her personal and family life.

Very insightful. :)

I would guess when the time is right, lightning will strike twice. :)

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Originally Posted by Lerxst (Post 116771)
not trying to crack the American market.

Not yet. ;)

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patyl 10-05-2008 06:00 PM

MTV-LA is doing special programs celebrating 15 years on air. A preview for the MTV-LatinAmerica Awards...

Today a special show called: "15 years, 150 videos" with the best videos during these years and guess who is included :rolleyes:.....¿?

ALIZEE of course!!!! :D

#138 position.... a quick explanation of her career and a quick spot of MJ video....

I think this is cool and hope this motivates Alizee to continue with her single career in France ....and worldwide of course :wub:

lefty12357 10-05-2008 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lerxst (Post 116771)
That's one thing that has struck me about Alizee since her comeback. I get the feeling that she doesn't want to become too popular again. It looks like she wants to be successful enough that she can make a living at this, but not so successful that it interferes with her personal and family life.

Yeah, it's quite a balancing act. She may not want to get too big, but she has to make sure she doesn't lose what she has either. It's a fine line to walk.

It’s not like there’s some knob that says “popularity” on it with numbers 1 thru 10, and you can just set it on 5 and forget it. Often in the music business, it can be feast or famine and popularity is very fleeting. You may have to take all that you can get while it’s available, because tomorrow it can be gone for good.

I hope she’s able to successfully balance her family and her career the way she wants, and I hope she never loses either of them.

ALS 10-05-2008 09:34 PM

The French are a weird bunch in some ways. And as Lefty and Lerxst said
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Yeah, it's quite a balancing act. She may not want to get too big, but she has to make sure she doesn't lose what she has either. It's a fine line to walk.
Here is an article about how the French feel about financially successful individuals. The get the rich attitude is so bad that over 500K Millionaires have left the country for good. It has now cause such a huge financial problem since the capital to start new businesses in France has left town as they say.

From the article:
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French people don't like the rich -- unless they are soccer players."
Millionaires Flee France

Tomtentp 10-06-2008 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ALS (Post 116819)
The French are a weird bunch in some ways. And as Lefty and Lerxst said

Here is an article about how the French feel about financially successful individuals. The get the rich attitude is so bad that over 500K Millionaires have left the country for good. It has now cause such a huge financial problem since the capital to start new businesses in France has left town as they say.

From the article:

Millionaires Flee France

Well who does...

Martin 10-06-2008 10:35 PM

France's got it right. As long as the money is invested in state health/education etc I see no harm. Jet-seters can go to hell, especially in these troubled financial times. I just wished more countries did the same thing with those getting rich over the poor. America for instance is infamous for its unbalanced wealth.

Also, If Alizee and Jeremy get really rich one day, there is a chance you will see them in your neighborhood :D

MonteCristo 10-06-2008 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty12357 (Post 116816)
Yeah, it's quite a balancing act. She may not want to get too big, but she has to make sure she doesn't lose what she has either. It's a fine line to walk.

It’s not like there’s some knob that says “popularity” on it with numbers 1 thru 10, and you can just set it on 5 and forget it. Often in the music business, it can be feast or famine and popularity is very fleeting. You may have to take all that you can get while it’s available, because tomorrow it can be gone for good.

I hope she’s able to successfully balance her family and her career the way she wants, and I hope she never loses either of them.

I dont mind if she retires as a singer, i'll still be listening to her music, and still sending her mail monthly.....as long as she doesnt mind if she retires from singing, im a-ok with it. Just because she's stopped singing doesnt change the fact that what she did might have made a difference.....the big question is.....will i, or you still be a fan?

OGRE 10-06-2008 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 116877)
America for instance is infamous for its unbalanced wealth.

Since time immemorial and pre-industrial, 'greed' has been the accusation hurled at the rich by the concrete-bound illiterates who were unable to conceive of the source of wealth or of the motivation of those who produce it.
-- Ayn Rand

MonteCristo 10-07-2008 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OGRE (Post 116886)
Since time immemorial and pre-industrial, 'greed' has been the accusation hurled at the rich by the concrete-bound illiterates who were unable to conceive of the source of wealth or of the motivation of those who produce it.
-- Ayn Rand

It has been so from the beginning of time, and from then till now, it has been a chain reaction....the alpha male always gets the most power. But that line has been blurred, because we have given up the power of the protector for the power of slyest, and bacause there is no alpha in a game of trickery, power has become a free for all struggle, starting with the leading one always having the upper hand because of his expected triumph. and why is he expected to triumph? He started out with the biggest pet, the green green Chopper. However, there is still yet to come a time when the power of the protector is needed the most. When man becomes tired of trickery, and wants to be honest again, it will look to the most basic of animal instinct to put trust in a true leader of the pack, the one that truly knows how to defend his horde, knows whats best for it, and knows how he can keep it alive.

Martin 10-07-2008 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OGRE (Post 116886)
Since time immemorial and pre-industrial, 'greed' has been the accusation hurled at the rich by the concrete-bound illiterates who were unable to conceive of the source of wealth or of the motivation of those who produce it.
-- Ayn Rand


Greed is for those who are giftless and have failed to contribute anything to civilization and strive for power and recognition through making piles of nothing. This is where American dream is based and its now turning into a nightmare.

And modern America wouldnt ever be able to produce something so delicate as your beloved Alizee because that wonderful greedy system is turning "artists" into superstar- ego-monster-individuals that have little resemblance to human beings. Its no wonder americans are the most enthusiastic about Alizee's humility and human qualitites.

vercingetorix 10-07-2008 11:10 AM

Grr...
 
This thresd hurts my head...:blink:

Roman 10-07-2008 11:47 AM

I think today answered this question, but it's also the fault of those promoting her. If she had the same level of management as before, I don't think this would have happened. But, maybe it would. I can't know.

OGRE 10-07-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman (Post 116928)
I think today answered this question, but it's also the fault of those promoting her. If she had the same level of management as before, I don't think this would have happened. But, maybe it would. I can't know.

She is still young, and has much to learn, and has many years ahead. Virtue can sometimes extend long roots before the flower reaches full bloom. Popularity comes best to Alizée when she does not seek it. She is most vibrant....and powerful...when she is just herself.

Rev 10-07-2008 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OGRE (Post 116961)
She is still young, and has much to learn, and has many years ahead. Virtue can sometimes extend long roots before the flower reaches full bloom. Popularity comes best to Alizée when she does not seek it. She is most vibrant....and powerful...when she is just herself.

You are an endless pool of wisdom. :)

alizee lover 10-08-2008 12:11 PM

I feel like she probably wont be as popular as back then and my sences tell me its the 3 year retirment and jeremy:p

ALS 10-08-2008 12:32 PM

I think that the French economy is one of the reasons. Things are not good over there right now. $8 gas and inflation on food is over 40% since January.
I'm betting that people just don't have the disposable income for luxury's.
I have read that there are restaurants and cafes that are closing on a daily basis in Paris. Tourism is also down by 1/3. That is a whole lot of money that has been ripped out of their economy.
Alizée and Jeremy may have made a decision to wait until the economy improves. Ticket sales may not be there to justify the concert.
I would like to see the attendance numbers for other performers who put on Concerts in the last sixty days.

c-dawg777 10-09-2008 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ALS (Post 117000)
I think that the French economy is one of the reasons. Things are not good over there right now. $8 gas and inflation on food is over 40% since January.
I'm betting that people just don't have the disposable income for luxury's.
I have read that there are restaurants and cafes that are closing on a daily basis in Paris. Tourism is also down by 1/3. That is a whole lot of money that has been ripped out of their economy.
Alizée and Jeremy may have made a decision to wait until the economy improves. Ticket sales may not be there to justify the concert.
I would like to see the attendance numbers for other performers who put on Concerts in the last sixty days.

Might be awhile if thats the case, their stock market dropped another 6% right after your comment was posted.
Scary times are comin quick... also it sucks the markets are falling.

edgar93 10-09-2008 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by alizee lover (Post 116998)
I feel like she probably wont be as popular as back then and my sences tell me its the 3 year retirment and jeremy:p

Yes!!, I agree with you, but I dont think the 3 year retirment was it, but Jeremy..:mad:, I cant understand why he, having so many men in this world, he was the lucky one.

And it was also having a Baby. She was pregnant, and after that your body isnt the same, she can recover her shape, but it isnt so easy. And also she cant wear all the outfits she used to wear:(.

Tchaikovsky 10-09-2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by edgar93 (Post 117132)
And it was also having a Baby. She was pregnant, and after that your body isnt the same, she can recover her shape, but it isnt so easy. And also she cant wear all the outfits she used to wear:(.

Well it's not like she's a middle aged housewife :P.

I mean, 24 years old is still pretty young :cool:

mavsluver41 10-09-2008 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchaikovsky (Post 117142)
I mean, 24 years old is still pretty young :cool:

Pop-star years are different from normal years, for their world depends so much on stunning looks and high-intensity performance. However, I like to think that Alizée has moved on from her "pop-star" stage (mostly because the word makes me think of no-talent screw-ups like Britney Spears and their screaming teenage fans), and now is placed in the category of bonafide singer and performer.

I feel like a broken record when I say this but: she has it in her to prolong her career despite regardless of age (she is young, but won't remain so forever) à la Madonna if she would only take the advice all forum-members have been throwing her way over the past two days (and few months for that matter).

Future Raptor Ace 10-09-2008 05:54 PM

In the last few days it seems to be plummeting down.

TheBarrett 10-09-2008 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by edgar
Yes!!, I agree with you, but I dont think the 3 year retirment was it, but Jeremy.., I cant understand why he, having so many men in this world, he was the lucky one.

You're not one to judge.
It's like when you're a celebrity, you marry someone you really really love, with your heart willing to give it's life for this person if the fates weaved it so...

...and about 3 million other people are saying you shouldn't, giving so many reasons why not...

I'd personally be pissed, as much as you can imagine how happy he is, he has his share of crap thrown at him. How frustrating would it be to have insults thrown at you, or to be under the curtain of a more brilliant pop star, or perhaps to be the silent vessel of envy by many lovestruck Alizée fans...

OGRE 10-09-2008 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBarrett (Post 117168)
How frustrating would it be to have insults thrown at you, or to be under the curtain of a more brilliant pop star, or perhaps to be the silent vessel of envy by many lovestruck Alizée fans...

Considering the the other perks of the job, those things wouldn't bother me one bit. Not one bit at all.:)

Señor Villa 10-10-2008 10:35 PM

Alizée's popularity is on the brink to oblivion if the trend continues cancelling and re-scheduling concerts.

Topaz 10-12-2008 03:11 PM

I know this is all very frustrating:
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My guess is that after the mamagement replacement is fully complete, all will settle and be fine.
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It's never good to beat up someone when they have no control of events:
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In the end, it will be all good. Maybe not as good as swimming with dolphins (it's tough to better that) but close. :)

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The sun will rise and be waiting to be welcomed.
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Rocket 10-12-2008 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchaikovsky (Post 117142)
Well it's not like she's a middle aged housewife :P.

I mean, 24 years old is still pretty young :cool:

Alizee is 24? :eek: Geez *hands Lili a walker* :p


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