[2009-10-20] Official Site Updates / Easter Eggs!

[Ben]

Was Alizée inspired by our easter eggs (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4862)?

There's more on http://alizee-officiel.com than meets the eye. Can you find it?

Anything on Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/alizeeofficiel) or Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alizee/14762050573) yet?

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4186/84233030563055731476205.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3452/imageph.jpg

[wasabi622]

Was Alizée inspired by our easter eggs? There's more on http://alizee-officiel.com than meets the eye. Can you find it?

hmm.. all im getting from the website is that black and white picture.. :blink:

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

A Child of the Century/une enfant du siecle

refresh away ;)

[Ben]

Aww, lets not spoil the game yet Jung! Soon... ;)

[user472884]

no way..... is that a preview? w00t it reminds me of Psychédélices........

ah hell...... any hints?

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Aww, lets not spoil the game yet Jung! Soon... ;)

don't even play games with me

what is up with moving my post relating to the album?

[Deepwaters]

A Child of the Century/une enfant du siecle

refresh away ;)

Yeah, I saw that, too. She's being very mysterious, isn't she? :)

[pepelepew]

Those new pics as strange as they are may be the new album cover. :eek:

[Ben]

ah hell...... any hints?
Hmm... let Firefox control-you.

[Roman]

Well, thanks for the hint Ben. I'm wondering how long it will just be a b/w fuzzy picture of some young lady. (the now more obscure than ever Alizée. I think the next photo of her will just be a small black box.) But as you have pointed out, they already have another web site with ... something there right now, but one could theoretically flip a switch and have any kind of album site pop into existence. It's funny that they are being tricky and putting it on another site (again) instead of just the main site.


So, what source could we take as being attatched to the name of that site? Is it some commonly known saying or actually from something specific?

Perhaps this movie with the ubiquitous Juliette Binoche?
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2029427968/tt0177746
Related to Alfred de Musset as AW suggests (http://alizee-music.blogspot.com/2009/10/child-of-century.html) ...
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_de_Musset

This book?
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=16856068

This other movie? Julie, itinéraire d'une enfant du siècle (Julie, career of a child of the century)
Après une enfance chahutée et des expériences difficiles dans le monde marginal du spectacle, Julie a été internée puis accueillie deux ans à la clinique de La Borde. Sortie du tunnel, elle réinvente sa vie avec une générosité et une fragilité émouvantes.
After a rambunctious/heckled (?) childhood and difficult experiences in the marginal world of show business, Julie was committed and remained for two years at the clinic of La Borde. Exiting the tunnel, she reinvents her life with a touching generosity and fragility.
http://www.commeaucinema.com/film/julie-itineraire-d-une-enfant-du-siecle,168564

There are many references. It's looking like the first one there. And to add another, curiously, it seems that Oxmo Puccino worked on Squat's album Enfant du siècle Vol.2 this year. It's all a pretty small world there.

[Ben]

It also made me think of this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Nightwish_Century_Child.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Child)

[Toc De Mac]

Woooooooot ! :D :D

I found what you're all talking about, though I'm not sure if I found it in the way you are describing... :p

[Deepwaters]

I wonder if Une Enfant du Siecle is the name of the new album?

[Bigdan]

I wonder if Une Enfant du Siecle is the name of the new album?


"La confession d’une enfant du siècle" is a famous novel by Alfred de Musset.
He is the most romantic writer and poet of the 19th century.

That's a clue...:rolleyes:

[wmedia]

In the section where you can see the keyboard, it's almost like a fog or smoke, but we can see her as part of the smoke? Yes, we see her in the two other parts, and she is kidding with us. She is so funny :-)

[Deepwaters]

"La confession d’une enfant du siècle" is a famous novel by Alfred de Musset.
He is the most romantic writer and poet of the 19th century.

I know, but I doubt Alizée is advertising his novel. We've heard rumors that this new album is supposed to be a theme album of some kind. I'm just speculating that that might be the name.

[Criss_pl]

"La confession d’une enfant du siècle" is a famous novel by Alfred de Musset.
He is the most romantic writer and poet of the 19th century.

That's a clue...:rolleyes:

Title of that book is "La confession d’un enfant du siècle" not "une" :rolleyes: But I can't relate that book with Alizée in any way. Octave-young boy, George Sand - woman who is a full anticiption of Alizée. Maybe the title. For me word "enfant" is a key here. I don't know why and how should I understand it:confused:

Or maybe they just added some content, to give us "something", what we can discuss about:p

[Deepwaters]

Alizée got her first big success in the first year of this century. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but this is one resonance.

Yes, the feminine rather than masculine is a clue. Edie Sedgwick (one rumor is the album centers around her) was not a man, and neither is Alizée.

[Jurre]

Or maybe they just added some content, to give us "something", what we can discuss about:p

Well, confusing us could also be a marketing strategy, so I wouldn't be surprised if the final product turned out to be something completely different :D

[Chommpers]

Very interesting, hmmm I don't want to give it away so soon, but I so want to start discussing what we seen :p

[Alizee Nation]

Good stuff, I came here to track down Ben, Roman, et al (the Alizee Think Tank) and see what thoughts you all are having and sharing. I have a tendency to go back to older profound connections, but that is my habit and may not be correct. Either way it is fun.

I tracked down Lefty to see he had any comments regarding the music, does it mean anything to him, anything at all? But did not see anything....Lefty where are you!!!!

I have a high regard for all of your opinions, you are all much wiser then I.

[user472884]

For me word "enfant" is a key here.

maybe there's a song that Alizee sings with Annily, like at the end of "Le Papillon"


(forgive me for the lack of an accent, I'm at school right now and I don't know the alt codes)

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what is the easter egg? is it the link jung posted?

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

^I'd assume that is why my link has been removed from my post by others :rolleyes:

[Deepwaters]

maybe there's a song that Alizee sings with Annily, like at the end of "Le Papillon"

What? OK, I have to listen to that song again. Annily sings on it? Get outa here . . .

[Fall]

ok i got "there" to the first part from what i read. is t----

stopped writing cause i found "the rest"!!!!!! :D:D:D This is misterious as hell, girl got me thinkin... :wub: why are there only three, why is there no more, why this and that, esto y aquello? :confused::blink: Well, either way I'm glad she/they did this :)

[user472884]

What? OK, I have to listen to that song again. Annily sings on it? Get outa here . . .

no... I meant a song that features a song sung by the child and the parent (in the movie's case, a neighbor)

this is what I was talking about

but with the little girl and Michel Serrault switched out for Annily and Alizée


<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/zyWhfzuJnCc&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zyWhfzuJnCc&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[lefty12357]

I've noticed when you go to www.psychedeclips.com it now redirects you to Alizée's official site. At least it does for me...

[Deepwaters]

OK, got it.

Actually I can't see Alizée exposing Annily to the public eye that way at her age. I liked the answer she gave to the question about encouraging Annily to be a singer; Alizée said the point was to pursue whatever one's dream is. If Annily's dream is to sing, great; if it's something else, that's great, too.

It would, however be CUUUUUUUUUTE! :) Sugar shock to the max . . . get me some insulin. :D

[Fall]

I've noticed when you go to www.psychedeclips.com (http://www.psychedeclips.com) it now redirects you to Alizée's official site. At least it does for me...

yeah, i tried going on there, but the same happened to me :confused: There wasn't anything real special there though, supposedly (i read) you could download her videos there: only one of them had a download link/button, but it was just a link to watch it on another site :( I liked the whole doodled look to it though, that was cool :)

[lefty12357]

yeah, i tried going on there, but the same happened to me :confused: There wasn't anything real special there though, supposedly (i read) you could download her videos there: only one of them had a download link/button, but it was just a link to watch it on another site :( I liked the whole doodled look to it though, that was cool :)

The Psychedeclips site was set up by Jeremy, not any record company. You could view all three fifty Sixty videos there. But there also was the Lillytown TV page where fans were invited to upload their works of art, audio and video. It appeared they were going to actually display some of it to share with everyone. It was quite an interesting idea, and gave the impression that Alizée maybe was going to be a little more interactive with her fans. Unfortunately, nothing ever came of it.

[Roman]

In case you hadn't noticed, the site has changed again. Looking like this is the sound of the first single, though I think it is the name of the album.
Oh I see. The video can be different every time you go.

[lefty12357]

Yeah, there appears to be 3 videos...

[Ben]

Woooooooot ! :D :D

I found what you're all talking about, though I'm not sure if I found it in the way you are describing... :p
Heh without giving too much away, how'd you find it TDM? I did by looking at the source code of alizee-officiel.com (ctrl-u in Firefox). I don't think that's too much of a spoiler at this point. For the record, it seems LadyCameronXIII on twitter was the first to spot it, though I stumbled across it on my own a few hours later, inspired by http://thisisnottom.com (google it if you have no idea where to start).

My first thought re: the title was that it's something to do with Annily, but I don't know. Alizée did say L'effet was her favorite track off Psychédélices. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the name of the new album and/or single. I also thought it was interesting that while the URL is French, the site heading that appears in your browser window is English. I like the music, and whole mystery/game aspect of all this. Pretty fun! :)

Edt: Here are the three flash videos you can see... don't download unless you've already tried finding the hidden site yourself! ;)

http://rapidshare.com/files/296263815/spoiler.zip

[lefty12357]

Ha Ha, it was www.thisisnottom.com, that got me into the habit of looking at source code from various sites. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to do it to Alizée's site. I found out quite early on though anyways.

By the way, that site heading in English works as the address also. Just drop the first "a" at the beginning, if you know what I mean.
(all one word, no spaces;))

[brad]

oooohhhh... kinda creepy!

definitely excited :)

[user472884]

I agree with brad, I do get a weird vibe from the video... it's not necessarily happy, but very oddly exciting (at least to me)
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hey... has anybody else tried singing the lyrics of Psychédélices to the music in the little vids? maybe I have an ear-infection but to me they match pretty much spot on

Actually I can't see Alizée exposing Annily to the public eye that way at her age.

lol..... the first thing that popped into my mind was "Lilly and J plus A"

[Toc De Mac]

Heh without giving too much away, how'd you find it TDM? I did by looking at the source code of alizee-officiel.com (ctrl-u in Firefox). I don't think that's too much of a spoiler at this point.

Yep, I did the same thing, though I was expecting it to be something slightly less technical such as highlighting the entire page, right-clicking the picture to look at its properties, etc. :p

[bresil]

Hi! here is the new Alizee teaser "A child of the century"
http://www.uneenfantdusiecle.com/

[Criss_pl]

There are 3 videos, I found it myself, source code of that page is pretty simple.
[my suppositions]
Those guys look for me just like those from Chateau Marmont. And that adorable girl:wub:
[/my suppositions]

[deanej]

I don't see any videos; just the picture. What am I doing wrong (I don't have the capability to play flash videos on my computer so I need to find them on the site)?

[Deepwaters]

I agree with brad, I do get a weird vibe from the video... it's not necessarily happy, but very oddly exciting (at least to me)


I wonder where Her Grace is going with this? We may see a bit darker and more serious side of Alizée than in the past, if the music is anything to judge by.


lol..... the first thing that popped into my mind was "Lilly and J plus A"

That would be funny. :p

But she won't perform with Jérémy. Anyway, he doesn't want to perform any more.

[edgar93]

I found it because Jungobot told me http://www.alizee-forum.com/images/smilies/mf_prop.gif.

oh btw:

http://www.ptitblog.net/actualites/article-alizee-est-une-enfant-du-siecle-premiers-teasers-3757.html

[Ben]

Guest Post on Alizée Nation by Lady Cameron XIII about finding the site:

http://alizee-music.blogspot.com/2009/10/ghosts-i-iv.html

oh btw:

http://www.ptitblog.net/actualites/article-alizee-est-une-enfant-du-siecle-premiers-teasers-3757.html

Thanks! Mostly reprints stuff we know, but...

Things become clearer for the return of Alizée! Indeed for a few days a new website entitled "A Child of the Century" has appeared and features 3 teaser videos of the Lolita in studio. We hear the first rather mesmerizing notes of a new title...

Alizée is currently in the studio, alongside the group Chateau Marmont. The four of them, from Tarbes in the south-west, make music that could be described as film music, and have a rather dated dress style... Signed to Institubes, the quartet has released an EP that is at once sensual, sexual and spacial, and is one of the better surprises of the year.

About their plans, the group says: "a second maxi and then an album for early 2010. Finally, part of the production of Alizée's next album, and a song - Beagle - for the next Kitsuné Maison 7 album, The Lucky One."* Alizée, by the way, says she is very happy with the first completed tracks of her next album.

Hopefully she will meet with greater success than with "Psychédélices" - released last year and suffered partial failure in France, unlike in Mexico where the singer's popularity has never been greater... The release should be done in early 2010.

To learn more about Alizée, visit her new official website!

*Source of this quote: http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128854

[wasabi622]

what's everyone seeing at the Alizee website? all im getting is the black and white picture, but nothing else.. and there is honestly nothing else either. nothing to click or whatever. can't tell if it's supposed to be like that, or if my firefox is working up again. :blink:

[TheBarrett]

what's everyone seeing at the Alizee website? all im getting is the black and white picture, but nothing else.. and there is honestly nothing else either. nothing to click or whatever. can't tell if it's supposed to be like that, or if my firefox is working up again. :blink:

It's not what you see.
It's what you have to find.
And it's nowhere to be found.

[wasabi622]

It's not what you see.
It's what you have to find.
And it's nowhere to be found.

yeah you're telling me!

there's NOTHING on the page.. no links to anything.. no nothing. :blink:
dunno how to find anything..

[Ben]

C'mon wasabi, it's been completely spelled out in this thread! :p

A hint:
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142605

Explanation of the hint:
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142651

Flat-out spoiler:
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142665

Explanation of the spoiler:
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142680

[wasabi622]

C'mon wasabi, it's been completely spelled out in this thread! :p

A hint:
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142605

Explanation of the hint:
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142651

Flat-out spoiler:
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142665

Explanation of the spoiler:
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142680

thanks ben! so.... this is Chateau Marmont?

[user472884]

something about that silhouette man....

[Chuck]

This whole "enfant du siècle" thing is so eerily thrilling! I just gotta say!

Anyway, this has finally gotten me to figure out who this Chateau Marmont group is. (Apparently it was discussed in our "Upcoming Album" thread, back in May, on or about page 7). That's who those guys are, sitting there in the new mystery vids.

So I looked 'em up on yt, and yeah, they're cool, they're weird, they're very Floydian. I'd normally eat that right up, but now, putting THAT with Alizee's vocals? It makes me feel almost a bit queasy to try to imagine!

Queasy, and eerily thrilled! Oh wait, I'm still running the siècle site in another window, and the music`s still bristling the hair on the back of my neck. :blink: Click. That's better.

Anyway, gottsa go finish translatin sompin...

[user472884]

btw, how do you pronounce "siècle"? "see-eh-sel"?

[Criss_pl]

I also checked them, their music is quite interesting. I'm so anxious to hear that combination, Lily's vocal plus CM music:) And that music on that site is really eerie, it matches the mystery absolutely great.
And still waiting:)

[Ben]

'nother article... too tired to translate at the moment, but it doesn't say anything new anyway:
http://www.evous.fr/musique/Alizee-enfant-siecle-Child-Century,8309.html

[Criss_pl]

btw, how do you pronounce "siècle"? "see-eh-sel"?
It's short pronounced, can't tell you the proper way, check here (http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html), it's very good site for such things

'nother article... too tired to translate at the moment, but it doesn't say anything new anyway:
http://www.evous.fr/musique/Alizee-enfant-siecle-Child-Century,8309.html

Yes, nothing new. Wondering about new Cd, mysterious videos. Second part is about her past. Not worth translating:p

[ALS]

www.chartsinfrance.net/Alizee/news (http://www.chartsinfrance.net/Alizee/news-68800.html)

Translation:
Alizée will return in the month of November with a new single, first single from her fourth album to be released in January 2010. A disc for which the singer has collaborated with the group Chateau Marmont, and she now reveals a mysterious teaser on its official site: watch it!
Two years after the release of his album "Psychédélices (Top 16 in 2007), passed about 50 000 copies Alizee plays big with the release of his successor, due in January 2010, newly signed to Jive / Epic, and which will be unveiled as early as November, a first single.

Today, the singer releases its new official website uneenfantdusiecle.com a mysterious teaser ( "A Child Of The Century"), causing the commotion in the community of her fans (click the F5 key on your keyboard for the video to learn different shots). It is with the group Chateau Marmont it worked, following its associations with Mylène Farmer and Laurent Boutonnat for its first two releases, and Jean Fauque, Oxmo Puccino and Jérémy Chatelain For the third.
According to early leaks, it would be a concept album loosely based on the life of Edie Sedgwick, an American actress whose short life was marked by family tragedies, major psychiatric disorders and drug. Continued ...


Alizée Mystery Video (www.uneenfantdusiecle.com)
REMEMBER TO HIT F5 to change views and see a profile of Alizée in the control room.

[Chuck]

Quote:
( Originally Posted by Jalen )
" btw, how do you pronounce "siècle"? "see-eh-sel"? "

Jalen, you're very close - it's more like "see-Ecleh" , with almost 3 syllables, more emphasis on the latter half.

Say, this may be boring in comparison, but if anyone else wants to practice French, I just put a big post on the "Open Letter" thread this morning...

[ALS]

'nother article... too tired to translate at the moment, but it doesn't say anything new anyway:
http://www.evous.fr/musique/Alizee-enfant-siecle-Child-Century,8309.html

To say that Alizee is expected at the turn. For if its first two releases were successful, his third effort, Psychédélices, Has passed only 50 000 copies and concert at the Bataclan has been canceled twice.
However, the fine will be back with a fourth album in January 2010. Meanwhile, it pushed up the buzz by posting a video on a mysterious site called uneenfantdusiecle.com. Does find this piece is presented as the A Child Of The Century on his next album? Nothing is certain. However, he would murmur Alizée this time surrounded the group electro Chateau Marmont. Their songs draw from the life of Edie Sedgwick, An American actress whose short life was marked by alcoholism early and severe psychological disorders ... A first single should be unveiled as early as November.

After more than three years of absence, Alizée made her return in 2008 with his third album, Psychédélices, which also marked his change of label from Polydor to RCA, and his crew change from Mylène Farmer Jean Fauque, Daniel DarcBertrand Burgalat or Oxmo Puccino.
In winter 2008 was launched the first single from this opus, Miss Juliet. Like a bellows, the single did not meet the expected success, either in France (Top 22 bestseller), or in Europe. By cons, its success in Latin America has not denied the singer has even surpassed the sales of international artists, such as Britney Spears or Alicia Keys.


To be informed of the latest news on Alizee, sign up for free newsletter Musique.evous here.

[Deepwaters]

Alizée is a Child of the Century!

It's little enough to say that Alizée is waiting her turn. Because if her first two works were crowned by success, her third effort, Psychédélices, did not surpass 50,000 copies sold and her concert in Batacian was canceled for two reprises.

Regardless, the beauty will return with a fourth album in January 2010. Meanwhile, she hyped the buzz by posting a mysterious video to a site named uneenfantdusiecle.com. Will this morsel be present under the name A Child of the Century on her next disc? Nothing is certain. However, rumor has it that Alizée will be working with the electro group Chateau Marmont. Their songs are inspired by the life of Edie Sedgwick, an American actress and model whose short life was marked by early alcoholism and serious psychological troubles . . . A first single should be unveiled in the month of November.

After more than three years of absence, Alizée made her comeback in 2008 [2007 actually] with her third album, Psychédélices, which marked both her change of record companies from Polydor to RCA, and her change of band, from Mylène Farmer to Jean Fauque, Daniel Darc (http://www.evous.fr/musique/Daniel-Darc,259.html), Bertrand Burgalat or Oxmo Puccino (http://www.evous.fr/musique/musique/Oxmo-Puccino,779.html). [Blah blah blah more inaccurate Psych stuff I don't feel like translating.]

[LOL on-line translators drive me nuts. Especially when they refer to Alizée as either "it" or "he." :p]

[wildfire]

[LOL on-line translators drive me nuts. Especially when they refer to Alizée as either "it" or "he." :p]

Proof that google translators are sexist!!!

[woohoo]

JANUARY!!! NOOO Thats so far away!!!:(:(:(

[mavsluver41]

That was...mysterious :cool:. Can't wait.

[Hylas1896]

And short...

Still, January is just around the corner.

It's not like this is Starcraft 2, and we might be freakin' dead before it -really- arrives. :rolleyes:


Hylas1896

[wildfire]

when I go to http://alizee-officiel.com/ and hit f5, I don't see anything...

[lefty12357]

when I go to http://alizee-officiel.com/ and hit f5, I don't see anything...

Hidden in the source code of that site is the name of the site you need to visit. It has already been posted in this thread here:
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142665

[Chuck]

On the Lillytown site, Julien now has a new avatar, and this link on his signatures:

http://www.popheart.fr/

...but all it has there is a pretty cool-looking logo and "soon..." No, there's nothing hidden in the source code there, and nothing changes when you hit "refresh"...
http://www.popheart.fr/logo.png
Since there's all the Edie/Andy/PopArt references we've been hearing, could "Popheart" maybe, maybe, possibly be the title of the new cd we so eagerly await?

Maybe? No? Yes? Maybe? Yes, definitely maybe. :blink:

[Ben]

could "Popheart" maybe, maybe, possibly be the title of the new cd we so eagerly await? Maybe? No? Yes? Maybe? Yes, definitely maybe. :blink:
No. Pop Heart is a new site Julien and a few others are starting to cover pop music, fashion, and lifestyle in general. Though I'm sure there will be some Alizée stuff there.

Their twitter:
http://twitter.com/Popismyheart

[Deepwaters]

No. Pop Heart is a new site Julien and a few others are starting to cover pop music, fashion, and lifestyle in general. Though I'm sure there will be some Alizée stuff there.

[Whew.] I'm glad. "Une enfant du siecle" is a much better album title for Alizée than Pop Heart. (Ugh.) Even if that's not what the album is called, I'm sure the real title will still be better than Pop Heart.

(No offense intended to Julien.) ;)

[Ben]

If it improves the pun at all, keep in mind that in French 'H' is silent. Or is that just too on the nose? ;)

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

hmm popheart I seem to recall hearing something about this a while back.....

M ta M it is

[Chuck]

[Whew.] I'm glad. "Une enfant du siecle" is a much better album title for Alizée than Pop Heart. (Ugh.) Even if that's not what the album is called, I'm sure the real title will still be better than Pop Heart.

(No offense intended to Julien.) ;)

Thanks, Ben! Twitter, facebook, myspace, this forum, that forum---it`s three full-time jobs just to try to keep up!

Deep, buddy, no offense intended your way either. But really, I can't see American audiences going crazy for something called "Une Enfant du Siècle". Even if it was called "A Child of The Century" (which would be extremely unlikely), I'm still not jumping up and down with optimism.

Whatever she calls it, I thinks it'll sell better in Europe than Psych did, but probably worse in Mexico, if those Chateâu Marmont guys are in it. But I'm focusing on what I know, the U.S. markets. And around here, even teens and tweens shopping at Best Buy or Target would stop and look at a CD with that "Popheart" logo. On the other hand, if the title's French (or if there are a buncha French guys with big noses on the cover), forget it. It won't BE at those stores. At all. Ever.

So, Mr. Deepwaters, we disagree. Pistols at dawn, you say? You're on. But your time zone or mine? ;)


...........................................Hey there's Jung!

" M ta M it is? "

Can I call a lifeline on this?

[rcs]

Sounds too cool. In fact, I can just imagine this music being played just moments prior to her opening act in concert...ya know that anticipation of what you're about to be exposed to feeling?

[Fenris]

Whatever she calls it, I thinks it'll sell better in Europe than Psych did, but probably worse in Mexico, if those Chateâu Marmont guys are in it. But I'm focusing on what I know, the U.S. markets. And around here, even teens and tweens shopping at Best Buy or Target would stop and look at a CD with that "Popheart" logo. On the other hand, if the title's French (or if there are a buncha French guys with big noses on the cover), forget it. It won't BE at those stores. At all. Ever.


Well, i very much hope there will be a pic of Alizée on the cover, even these recent "post-mortem" pics would serve better than "a buncha French guys with big noses" :D
Personally, i think "une enfant du siècle" is a very good title, it sounds somewhat mysterious and should generate further interest.
As for the US-market, chuck may be right about french titles, but you can't reasonably expect Lili to sing in french (and to be successful with french in the US) and not even be allowed to choose a french title ;)

Ultimately, the quality of the music and promotion and it's ability (or lack thereof) to create a buzz will make or break the success of this album.

[ALS]

Thanks Ben for moving my post here.:)

[lefty12357]

Yeah, for me personally, I really like "une enfant du siècle" for a title. Of course I'm not implying that it is indeed the official title of anything, but I find it interesting, nonetheless. It works on a number of levels and it seems a grand name for a grand work of art. I hope my expectations aren't running too high...:)

@Fenris, a big welcome to you ! I hope you enjoy yourself here. You can introduce yourself here:
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=707

[Deepwaters]

Chuck, I really don't think she's aiming for the U.S. market with this album, so that's not a big concern. And to be fully honest, if it sold well with American teenagers, I probably wouldn't like it much. :p

If it does better in Europe than Psych did, that's a plus and probably what she's shooting for in terms of marketing. What's been very interesting about all this is what it reveals about Alizée and her taste in music, what she wants to do as an artist. I'm very excited about this new album now.

[wasabi622]

maybe im being too literal. but would that mean that the album would somehow invovle Annily like with l'effet?

[Deepwaters]

maybe im being too literal. but would that mean that the album would somehow invovle Annily like with l'effet?

I think you're being too literal. I'm pretty sure Une enfant du siecle isn't referring to Annily. Guess: every artist who is also a mother has to produce at least one work of art celebrating her child. With Alizée it was L'effet. There probably won't be another Annily song on this album. Although who knows?

I am getting really really psyched. Don't know about the rest of you. Alizée is presenting herself as a serious artist. I think we need to keep that in mind, and look for depth. This teaser is full of mystery. Don't expect to understand this music at first glance.

Things are heating up over at Lilly Town (Fr) as well. It's a challenge for me to read posts there because they are in colloquial French a lot of the time, and at least one poster misspells things deliberately, the twit. Gives me a headache. But I can sense the excitement. November can't come soon enough.

[Criss_pl]

Things are heating up over at Lilly Town (Fr) as well. It's a challenge for me to read posts there because they are in colloquial French a lot of the time, and at least one poster misspells things deliberately, the twit. Gives me a headache. But I can sense the excitement. November can't come soon enough.

Yes, I also check that forum, but sometimes I can't understand what they're saying at all. But I keep trying:) And November is coming closer and closer each day.

For me that whole enfant du siecle is very mysterious, I was thinking about it, but no ideas come to my mind.
Child of a century includes so much possible ideas... We could only wait and see.

I'm already listening to another album that I was waiting for very impatiently

[edgar93]

Alizée is presenting herself as a serious artist. I think we need to keep that in mind, and look for depth.

No, Alizée is a mother. Now she's become a part-time singer.

[wasabi622]

No, Alizée is a mother. Now she's become a part-time singer.

nah, i don't think so. she's been a mother for a while now. im sure she's fully capable of keeping her professional life and personal life apart while maintaining both.

[Deepwaters]

When I say "serious artist" I mean in contrast to "teenage sexpot protegée." She's been moving away from the image of the Mylène days ever since her return. I think one has to understand the lyrics to the songs from Psych to really get this. There's a depth to her new work that wasn't there in the old days. It's not that Mylène wasn't capable of it, obviously she is, but I don't think she ever put the same effort into Alizèe's songs as she does into her own.

In popular music especially, although in other artistic fields, too, one can achieve a high level of commercial success without ever attempting serious art. I've seen for some time that although Alizée does want commercial success, she isn't going to sacrifice artistic integrity to get more of it. This new collaboration with Château Marmont shows it very clearly. This is going to be music one has to take seriously. It's not going to be fluff.

[Fenris]

When I say "serious artist" I mean in contrast to "teenage sexpot protegée." She's been moving away from the image of the Mylène days ever since her return. I think one has to understand the lyrics to the songs from Psych to really get this. There's a depth to her new work that wasn't there in the old days. It's not that Mylène wasn't capable of it, obviously she is, but I don't think she ever put the same effort into Alizèe's songs as she does into her own.

In popular music especially, although in other artistic fields, too, one can achieve a high level of commercial success without ever attempting serious art. I've seen for some time that although Alizée does want commercial success, she isn't going to sacrifice artistic integrity to get more of it. This new collaboration with Château Marmont shows it very clearly. This is going to be music one has to take seriously. It's not going to be fluff.

I fully agree.
This "directing" of the musicians in the teaser might indicate that she is more involved in the creation of the songs than ever before.
Maybe she even wrote some of the lyrics herself this time?

Too early to judge, but i think she has taken the next step in her evolution, and the Alizée of the Mylene-period is gone and buried now (fitting to these post-mortem pics).

[rcs]

The teaser buys her more time. Hopefully, she will not rush completion. I still believe in good things come to those who wait.

I'd imagine her being more involved with songwriting this time around, hopefully she'll find time to dance, but that's pushing it.

[wildfire]

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!

[user472884]

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!

mademoiselle, mademoiselle........

[Ben]

^ :D

Thought: if Chateau Marmont are as integral to the album as it seems, I hope they'll be able to tour with Alizée - it would make for some interesting shows!

[Chuck]

Chuck, I really don't think she's aiming for the U.S. market with this album, so that's not a big concern. And to be fully honest, if it sold well with American teenagers, I probably wouldn't like it much. :p

If it does better in Europe than Psych did, that's a plus and probably what she's shooting for in terms of marketing. What's been very interesting about all this is what it reveals about Alizée and her taste in music, what she wants to do as an artist. I'm very excited about this new album now.
When I say "serious artist" I mean in contrast to "teenage sexpot protegée." She's been moving away from the image of the Mylène days ever since her return. I think one has to understand the lyrics to the songs from Psych to really get this. There's a depth to her new work that wasn't there in the old days. It's not that Mylène wasn't capable of it, obviously she is, but I don't think she ever put the same effort into Alizèe's songs as she does into her own.

In popular music especially, although in other artistic fields, too, one can achieve a high level of commercial success without ever attempting serious art. I've seen for some time that although Alizée does want commercial success, she isn't going to sacrifice artistic integrity to get more of it. This new collaboration with Château Marmont shows it very clearly. This is going to be music one has to take seriously. It's not going to be fluff.


Deep, I so fully agree now, that the duel's off, if that's all right with you. ;) I'm not sure I'd like it as much if the new album appealed to "youngsters" more, either. But I was thinking in terms of sales, and in terms of what young people I know like.

I mean, Alizée as an artist - I totally admire, respect and support that notion. I believe in that, believe she is an artist who has the potential to be as big as she wants, any country she wants to conquer. I wouldn't suggest she should sell herself short or "sell out" in any way. But on the other hand, face it, Psychédélices was far too inaccessible for the major US "pop" music markets. To assure our heroine's future career, she does need to sell more than 50,000 units. And if a lot of the new purchasers were American kids, I couldn't complain a bit.

a lot of our members here are 11 - 18, maybe some of them would want to tell us what they think? Or what their peers would think?


This "directing" of the musicians in the teaser might indicate that she is more involved in the creation of the songs than ever before.
Maybe she even wrote some of the lyrics herself this time?

Too early to judge, but i think she has taken the next step in her evolution, and the Alizée of the Mylene-period is gone and buried now (fitting to these post-mortem pics).

Mon Dieu, Fenris! I was creeped by the post-mortem pictures, but I like your explanation! (I was thinking of "Snow White on her coffin", in Idéaliser). I also agree with the "next step", as you put it. But in the post-mortem photos, it's hard for me to tell if the photos are recent, or several years old. I can't even be sure, 100%, that that's even her! (98%?) Creeepy. If she's telling us she's dead, she should do an "Abbey Road" type CD cover -- her and the band, crossing the Champs-Élysées, Alizée the only one barefoot. Or Sgt. Pepper's, and she could just show her back! :p

Anyway, Fenris, welcome to the forums! Glad you're here! Have a wonderful time! Enjoy!

[Deepwaters]

Chuck, I'm happy to call off the duel. I'm a poor shot, and my fencing is even worse. :D

I suspect that the posters on this forum are not typical of American teenagers. The average teen likes music he doesn't have to think hard about, which means he needs to understand the lyrics. And I'm not just talking about the language, although for Alizée obviously that would be an additional problem. The music can't be about stuff that flies over his head, except as a subtext to something he can relate to in his minimal but intense life-experience.

You mentioned the Beatles. Good example. The Beatles initially produced fluff -- Love Me Do, I Want to Hold Your Hand, Can't Buy Me Love, etc. Nice sound, nothing challenging. Later on, they produced more serious music, with troubling themes and controversial lyrics. But their big success was achieved singing and playing fluff. If they had come out with Sergeant Pepper or, even worse, the white album in 1962, they would have gone nowhere.

Could Alizée achieve big commercial success in the U.S.? Sure -- but only by prostituting herself, almost literally. She could adopt the persona of a French coquette, wear as little as decently possible, flirt with the audience outrageously, and move her cute backside all over the place. Add some good music and her wonderful voice, English language songs with a French accent and some French words mixed in, some racy and suggestive lyrics -- voila! But it's pretty clear she doesn't want to do that.

(You guys would love it, though. Admit it. ;))

Since she's not willing to prostitute herself or sing fluff, she's going to have to accept a lesser level of commercial success and stardom. I think she can do better than the 50k albums sold in France for Psychédélices. There is a market for real music: it's an older market, college-age or older, not teenagers. It's not as big as the teen market which she sold to years ago, but it's certainly there, and a number of French artists (including Chateau Marmont) sell to it. That kind of older market is available in the U.S. and the language barrier wouldn't be absolute the way it is for teenagers. So I think it's possible for her to crack America if she wants to, but she can't (or rather, doesn't want to) do the Britney Spears bit. And of course, she'd never top the charts here without doing that kind of thing.

And that's why I think the "Pop Heart" image is totally wrong for her at this time.

[Roman]

What's the point?
Once again, I think speaking of prostitution and singing fluff in order to be highly successful is really talking way beyond the edge of what's really relevant to Alizée. If she does not have good management and artistic direction, etc. then she needs to be that herself. She needs to be "really good" and have the ability to lead herself, her followers, and her associates to create something of high quality with compelling content.

Slutty successful or just good entertainer?
Maybe she could get more attention by being kind of "slutty", but I don't think that, or generally speaking - shock value, is necessary to have some appeal and commercial success. It probably does not make sense to dwell on or try to limit what kind of image Alizée can or can't represent. In my mind it's more about the difficulty of making "good" music, doing "good" entertaining performances, and having a compelling persona that people can hook onto.

The genius of giants
To once again take the Mylène example, I don't care much for some of the more angry or vulgar or "negatively bent" songs/videos that Mylène has done, but I think she's more of an actor and likes to play interesting or dramatic roles and that's why she does it. What I do like is along the lines of "Appelle mon numéro". That was from her last album just put out last year and I think some of her best work. The music was very good and the lyrics sound good (even if I have no idea what she's saying) and the production of the video (well both actually) was very well done and even at her age she was looking quite good and it was rather sexy. It's an example of what I like; so, yes, that is about taste, but it wasn't especially different or shocking and yeah I think it could be called fluff. So what? It was classic Mylène and classic Alizée - that is I could totally see Alizée having done that if she had stayed with M&L. So, that's Mylène. Fine, Alizée is not Mylène. But what, is Alizée Chateau Marmont?

Be in the world you're in?
Alizée is going to do what she can, but unless that's something good and it gets out there, no arguments are going to mean anything. If Alizée is going to play in the realm of the likes of Chateau Marmont, if that's the kind of music world she wants to be in (or is going to be in, in any case) she needs to figure out what that means, how it works, and produce something that makes sense and is "good" in that world.

I think I now understand what people were talking about when they were talking about her needing a more coherent album and style. I liked the variation on Psychédélices, but that's because I was more interested in Alizée. If she's not able to be the center of attention and make that the compelling element, then yes, she needs to find a way to represent a compelling genre of music and entertainment or join a band that can.

Hey, Alizée has been a big star and had all kinds of adventures and doesn't really need to do anything in particular perhaps, but if indeed one expects some kind of continuation of production from her (an idea which, if you ask me, has already failed to happen even if she has created a new album with some other people) she does need to represent something.

Just her
Personally I think it would be great if she just had the performer's and entertainer's chops to just make a great and very entertaining presentation whenever she would step onto the stage... and we could say ah, who cares about representing anything in particular! I think that's really what people wanted from Alizée, to be wowed when she was there regardless and be able to forget about whether she's presenting something from her own album or whatever else. To a large extent that's how it was for me in the past. The albums were really good, but it's Alizée that was so alluring and compelling. Everything she did was better because it was Alizéeified. Now, we're focused on the album and that's actually a bad thing with regard to her popularity. I hope that makes some sense.

Now what?
Alizée has created enough to be a special person forever who had a unique impact on many lives. But as an actual artist or even performer who continues to create, she is lacking a "presence" in the world right now. The album was created several months ago. Are we waiting for something or will it simply be "here it is" and a few unstrategic appearances for the significant Mexican popular of "interesteds"? Will Alizée somehow continue to create music regardless of sales numbers? Is that possible? Will this album be liked or a total disaster? Is it her album or the guys who wrote and performed the music? Alizée seems to bear no resemblance to her first works in collaboration with M&L, but the general public knows that now (even if some of her fans still don't or refuse to admit it), the transition album (if you want to call it that) has been done and "played out", what can we say is Alizée now? Are all my questions just ridiculous overdramatization of a simple matter that art is unpredictable? Stay tuned and maybe someday you'll find out! (or not)

The long post lord has spoken...

[Fenris]

Mon Dieu, Fenris! I was creeped by the post-mortem pictures, but I like your explanation! (I was thinking of "Snow White on her coffin", in Idéaliser). I also agree with the "next step", as you put it. But in the post-mortem photos, it's hard for me to tell if the photos are recent, or several years old. I can't even be sure, 100%, that that's even her! (98%?) Creeepy. If she's telling us she's dead, she should do an "Abbey Road" type CD cover -- her and the band, crossing the Champs-Élysées, Alizée the only one barefoot. Or Sgt. Pepper's, and she could just show her back! :p

Anyway, Fenris, welcome to the forums! Glad you're here! Have a wonderful time! Enjoy!
Thanks Chuck! As for the post mortem photos, yes, they should be fairly recent and i'm sure it is her. To further speculate, notice that one of the photos is egg-shaped...and an egg stands for what? the hatching of new life...so it could actually have an ambiguous meaning. ofc i'm wildly guessing here :D

(You guys would love it, though. Admit it. ;))

That made me laugh :). Truth be told, i would rather be embarrassed..


Just her
Personally I think it would be great if she just had the performer's and entertainer's chops to just make a great and very entertaining presentation whenever she would step onto the stage... and we could say ah, who cares about representing anything in particular! I think that's really what people wanted from Alizée, to be wowed when she was there regardless and be able to forget about whether she's presenting something from her own album or whatever else. To a large extent that's how it was for me in the past. The albums were really good, but it's Alizée that was so alluring and compelling. Everything she did was better because it was Alizéeified. Now, we're focused on the album and that's actually a bad thing with regard to her popularity. I hope that makes some sense.


It makes a lot o sense to me. Alizée always had this gift to take what others made for her and change it into her own thing. Be it with cover-songs or everything MF and LB did for her...she interpreted it in her way and gave it a life of it's own.
For all of MF's genius or LB's songwriting, this would never have been as successful as it was without Lili, and THEY KNEW IT.

This also explains why MF failed in transforming Alizée into another "Libertine", in spite of the much too short dresses and sexy dancing,
she basically remained the natural person she was.

[Roman]

...This also explains why MF failed in transforming Alizée into another "Libertine", in spite of the much too short dresses and sexy dancing,
she basically remained the natural person she was.
Well, I think the only real proof of that is that she left them and refused to continue in that vein.

I suppose she just wasn't "feeling it" and at 20 she couldn't lie to herself or the public about it either and say "I didn't do it on purpose" if she continued. I don't know what the big deal is. I think Alizée would say the same (at least to the public), but like I said, if she wasn't "feeling it", she couldn't do it.

And while one could argue that her "unplanned" pregnancy put the kibosh on all that, I think that most of 2004 she was just kind of blowing in the wind anyway. Whatever persona and style she was going to take up, she had to own it and she was not prepared to do that. Maybe she should have just become an actrice. Then, it's expected to just do whatever the directory says, but that too is not her thing.

I think best of all, if she is generally satisfied with the choices she made, then all of this is moot. It's her life, she should do what she wants. But of course, that's not what's at question.

[Deepwaters]

Roman:

The reason it's relevant is because it helps us understand where (I believe) Alizée is coming from these days. Let me clarify something.

The expression "prostituting oneself" in an artistic contest doesn't necessarily mean anything sexual; it means selling out. The Beatles' early work wasn't sexually charged, but it was still fluff and had nowhere near the interesting, original quality of their later music. Mylène Farmer, as you observe, often presents a powerfully sexual image (hmmph, what do you mean "even at her age," she's only in her 40s :p) but her music and videos are highly original and by no means prostitution. The same could be said for the late Freddy Mercury of Queen.

In the case of Alizée, doing a Mylène in terms of on-stage sexuality would be prostituting herself because that's not what she wants to do. It's not her self-image. It doesn't fit where she wants to go with her art. What is true to her art for Mylène would be false for Alizée, or so I gather from what I've seen.

It's possible to be commercially successful while producing art for grownups. I think a large part of the problem is that Alizée under Mylène's guidance performed for a younger audience, being a teenager herself. So when she came back, people looked for a return of that Alizée and didn't get it. There was no good preparation of the public ahead of time for what the new Alizée would be like. (That's largely her fault. She really needs to learn to communicate better on a professional level.) Psychédélices was written for adults but not properly marketed to them.

And yes, it was also too diverse. Being a smorgasbord of different styles, there was no audience that liked every song. All appearances are that that's been corrected this time out. I'm not sure whether the communication problem has been, but maybe these teasers say that it has. We'll find out shortly, with the first single being released next month. I have high hopes that this album will be one I love and that will do well.

[Fenris]

Well, I think the only real proof of that is that she left them and refused to continue in that vein.

I suppose she just wasn't "feeling it" and at 20 she couldn't lie to herself or the public about it either and say "I didn't do it on purpose" if she continued. I don't know what the big deal is. I think Alizée would say the same (at least to the public), but like I said, if she wasn't "feeling it", she couldn't do it.

Yep, it was no big deal for her ;) Which was pretty much my point. It was a role she was playing at the time with all the carefreeness of youth and i'm sure she is not ashamed of it nowadays, even if her ideas of music and performance have changed over time.

[Roman]

@Deep Sorry, this has sucked me back in again. Perhaps you are speaking to newbies. "Could Alizée achieve big commercial success in the U.S.? Sure -- but only by prostituting herself, almost literally." I find that kind of question to be so far beyond the realm of expectations from Alizée as to be totally irrelevant. How about, one can imagine some things that Alizée could do, or more rightly could have done, while keeping with her apparent sense of appropriateness, but there's no sign that she will. The way her career has gone, we just need to see what she comes out with next and hope that somehow she makes some appearances beyond simply dropping off the CD. I would reiterate what I said a year ago, essentially, her career as a pop star really died along with the death of the Psychédélices promotion (except perhaps in Mexico). And therefore, everything that we get now is bonus. To even speak of her going to the US is no more than dreaming until she surprises us with something.

But, I guess you guys must have something to talk about; so, I don't know, do some translations or talk about Chateau Marmont a lot and midi electronics. That's my reaction to what I read. I may not be all that coherent, but there was something vaguely ridiculous in what I read to the point where it seemed somehow a bit disgusting - both to even speak of that and the part about speaking of the limits of what image she can pull off. She's going to do what she wants to do and what she's comfortable with and it will be what it is and will work or it won't. One can speak of what one would or not like to see her do, but that's also speaking of one's self, not of Alizée.

[Ben]

Psychédélices was written for adults but not properly marketed to them.
I don't think it was just marketing, but content too (and not just because it was diverse). Like the cover image shows, with Psychédélices she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. It's still basically light pop, just with an edge. "Different but not too different", as she said in interviews.

Sure there was a group that wanted old Alizée back and didn't get it, but then there were those ready for "new" Alizée who didn't feel they got that either. I think that was the problem: she aimed for both groups and hit neither. It's also why this new album seems so promising - finally she might go far enough. Hopefully it's not too late.

[Chuck]

@Deep Sorry, this has sucked me back in again. Perhaps you are speaking to newbies. "Could Alizée achieve big commercial success in the U.S.? Sure -- but only by prostituting herself, almost literally." I find that kind of question to be so far beyond the realm of expectations from Alizée as to be totally irrelevant. How about, one can imagine some things that Alizée could do, or more rightly could have done, while keeping with her apparent sense of appropriateness, but there's no sign that she will. The way her career has gone, we just need to see what she comes out with next and hope that somehow she makes some appearances beyond simply dropping off the CD. I would reiterate what I said a year ago, essentially, her career as a pop star really died along with the death of the Psychédélices promotion (except perhaps in Mexico). And therefore, everything that we get now is bonus. To even speak of her going to the US is no more than dreaming until she surprises us with something.

But, I guess you guys must have something to talk about; so, I don't know, do some translations or talk about Chateau Marmont a lot and midi electronics. That's my reaction to what I read. I may not be all that coherent, but there was something vaguely ridiculous in what I read to the point where it seemed somehow a bit disgusting - both to even speak of that and the part about speaking of the limits of what image she can pull off. She's going to do what she wants to do and what she's comfortable with and it will be what it is and will work or it won't. One can speak of what one would or not like to see her do, but that's also speaking of one's self, not of Alizée.
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I agree with Roman, and just want to add that I though Deep was going off The Deep End just a little there, also. There are a lot of ways to be "more commercially viable" without going to extremes. Without vulgarity, or trying to go back to what "worked" in the past. It's not just black or white or this or that. Is it?

[Roman]

I don't think it was just marketing, but content too (and not just because it was diverse). Like the cover image shows, with Psychédélices she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. It's still basically light pop, just with an edge. "Different but not too different", as she said in interviews.

Sure there was a group that wanted old Alizée back and didn't get it, but then there were those ready for "new" Alizée who didn't feel they got that either. I think that was the problem: she aimed for both groups and hit neither.

And it's why this new album seems promising to me - finally she might be going far enough. Hopefully it's not too late.
Well, you might be right as to the appeal to populations, but I must speak for myself in saying that I think it was a good attempt. I don't think I'd have been as satisfied if it was not what it was, conceptually anyway. I think it just needed a promo song that had more punch or more of a hook or something. There just wasn't "hit" material there. And, I think there is a lot to be said for music videos and if one creates a song that would work well cinematically, but never expresses it well in that context, then one has missed an opportunity. I think Alizée may have missed that opportunity with some of her songs. But yeah, where would the money come from to do that? They did two songs with videos. They couldn't do all of them if the money wasn't there. I can't complain about the MJ video. It just wasn't enough to do the job apparently. And frankly, taking advantage of opportunities while they exist, striking while the iron is hot, continues to elude her for the most part. It was the album and it wasn't.

I'm not sure what to hope for with this album that the last one could not do. I don't have a sense for how "going far enough" is going to make everything better. Maybe that's because I liked the last album and was too in love with Alizée before. I think I was most disappointed with some of her performances and just with how things turned out in France and how she does not maintain her following, being left wondering all the time, what the heck happened? It's hard to see how an album will change that, but I do agree that it's a new day and she has created a new album with some new people and eventually will attempt to share it with the world and maybe Alizée herself will makes some pleasing appearances. I'm sure she's trying to move on and I wish I could just shut up and do the same and forget about thoughts of what might be better then and now bla bla bla. But, we've been waiting so long for this album. All we have are a few studio clips and that new home page. I am feeling ultra-impatient while certainly not expecting too much. I am clearly too impatient for this. I just wish I could understand how this album or it's promotion is supposed to be better or could be better.

[Ben]

Well, you might be right as to the appeal to populations, but I must speak for myself in saying that I think it was a good attempt. I don't think I'd have been as satisfied if it was not what it was, conceptually anyway... I can't complain about the MJ video. It just wasn't enough to do the job apparently.
Well, a complaint I hear about the Mademoiselle Juliette video was that it was too "Mylene-ish", and left people wondering where the so-called "new" Alizée was. Maybe Fifty-Sixty would have been a better lead clip, I don't know.

I love Psych too, but think that's because I was already a fan. If I'd come from an outside perspective, it probably would have gotten lost for me in the middle ground between the escapist pop of her first two discs, and the less mainstream music I usually listen to - stuff that doesn't exist in the world of tv shows and promo videos. All that was new to me when I started following Alizée, before then there were just albums and concerts.

I guess it would be a shame if Alizée had to go that route completely, as we'd loose out on so many appearances. Perhaps just far enough to get the attention of that audience, because right now it seems like she doesn't really have one. And while it's still early to tell, things like working at Institubes and with Chateau Marmont, not to mention the teaser video, are good indications of that direction.

[pepelepew]

Well, a complaint I hear about the Mademoiselle Juliette video was that it was too "Mylene-ish", and left people wondering where the so-called "new" Alizée was. Maybe Fifty-Sixty would have been a better lead clip, I don't know.

I love Psych too, but think that's because I was already a fan. If I'd come from an outside perspective, it probably would have gotten lost for me in the middle ground between the escapist pop of her first two discs, and the less mainstream music I usually listen to - stuff that doesn't exist in the world of tv shows and promo videos. All that was new to me when I started following Alizée, before then there were just albums and concerts.

I guess it would be a shame if Alizée had to go that route completely, as we'd loose out on so many appearances. Perhaps just far enough to get the attention of that audience, because right now it seems like she doesn't really have one. And while it's still early to tell, things like working at Institubes and with Chateau Marmont, not to mention the teaser video, are good indications of that direction.I agree with both of you guys. I think Psych is a great album, but standing alone without already being hooked by previous music I'm not sure it would have held my attention. No way to know for sure. I also agree that marketing and video quality was terrible along with less than stellar performances by Alizee. The pace and incoherent communications with fans feels way too familiar. I hope I'm wrong that goes without saying, but for real success commercially, the album, communication with fans, promotion, single selection etc. will have to be hitting on all cylinders. I can't imagine going to the trouble of cutting a new album after the last experience and not giving it a 100%. That would be baffleing to me.

[Deepwaters]

.
.
I agree with Roman, and just want to add that I though Deep was going off The Deep End just a little there, also. There are a lot of ways to be "more commercially viable" without going to extremes. Without vulgarity, or trying to go back to what "worked" in the past. It's not just black or white or this or that. Is it?

More so for Alizée in America, which is what you were originally talking about and how this discussion started. Remember, it was the "Pop Heart" logo (which is of course not hers but Julien's) and how you thought that would have more appeal to American teenagers than "Une enfant du siecle" (if that's the title of the new album or single). And I answered that I doubted she's targeting the new album to American teens anyway, or that she should. That logo would be going back to the past. This she does not need to do. (Bear in mind that in 5 more years she'll be 30.)

Does a performer have to be super-sexy to appeal to a teenage market? No. That's one way. There is at least one other. A performer can instead have a rebel image, something to shock the parents. Or, best of all, combine the two. The super-sexy road suggests itself for Alizée for obvious reasons, though. It's one way I'm sure she could do it if she wanted to. But I understand why she doesn't, and I agree. (I could be wrong about this but I think in part it's her Corsican heritage. I've corresponded with another person who grew up in Ajaccio, and I've gotten the sense that a strain of reticence about sex runs through that culture. Of course, that's a pretty small sample to go by, I realize.) In any case as an artist myself I understand the need to be true to oneself. There's a compromise, obviously, because you want a product that can be marketed, but if you go too far that direction you risk losing all the real value. Art should challenge people. It should make them think and feel in new ways, disturbing ways.

Perhaps Ben is right and the problem is that she didn't go far enough in the new direction and tried to eat her cake and have it. I can see that. I really liked it, myself, but I can see that if people thought the MJ video wasn't enough of a departure, then she needed to go ahead and take the plunge. For what it's worth, I don't agree with that assessment; if anything I think it's the 50/60 video that was too much like her old ones. MJ was quite an interesting departure, with the suggestion of mortality. (Which does make it Mylène-ish of course along with the scantily-clad bodies, but her old videos were NOT Mylène-ish. Mylène's videos are often a bit morbid, as well as sexy, but that isn't how I would describe the videos for ML, L'Alizé, Gourmandises, JEAM, JPVA, or ACC.)

Anyway -- I like the idea of a collaboration with Chateau Marmont. I like the idea that her new album will be focused and that she has fully made the transition. I am really excited about this new album and looking forward to the single next month. The photos, which suggest both a birth and a death, and the teaser with a hint of the new musical style, promise a lot. I think this is an exciting time for Alizée, and I'm happy to be here for her.

[timonjacobs]

FAKE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-_BHv9I7ZM

:wub: LOVE it.

[Chuck]

Deep, everybody, y'know what the problem is now? We're ALL right. And that alright, cuz we're all alright.

Ben (hi, 'gain, Ben) said people thought the MJ vid was too Mylenish. What surprised me most about it was that - Alizée doesn't dance! You expect her to finally join in, when the rest of the party's all rocking out, but no! I thought maybe that was a statement? (Of course, it's been discussed here before that it could have been due to back ailments, but...maybe not?)

Anyway, yes, she'll be thirty in five years. No argument there! How 'bout if Lilly just started wearing long, stylish dresses and gowns? At least if she were singing on a Tonight Show or something, I think that would knock everybody dead! But now that you mention it, that would appeal less to teens, and more to the older markets... hmmm. Well, one thing teens DON'T respect is a phony, and a 20-something year old that would dress like a 14-year old just seems odd to everyone.

Which also brings me to where I agree with a lot of you again here - the CD art for Psych was definitely too "fluffy" - which was detrimental. The cover picture was silly, lighthearted, not extremely professional-looking. The inside pix were incongruent. For a "concept" album, the artwork bore no clue of any "concept" at all. No support. Nobody told the designer there even was a concept. Cohesiveness helps in the presentation. And sometimes better packaging makes All The Difference.

Anybody else here own any New Order albums? That's packaging.

ps, I do have more news on the "letter" thread, but I'm the last one to post anything there already. And that was days ago! (Bump a brother, somebody?) ;)

DOUBLEPOSTING NOW - JUST SAW WHAT TJ POSTED.


OH MY GOD. Where'd my socks go?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-_BHv9I7ZM

:wub: LOVE it.

[Jurre]

Holly Shit! That is absolutely beautiful….Her voice…..Oh my god her voice

How do we know it's her? I wouldn't call a Youtube account that seems to be created espcially for this video a reliable source :p

[wasabi622]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-_BHv9I7ZM

:wub: LOVE it.

yeah, im not too sure that it's her..

[Euphoria]

It's fake. Clip is from a song called Reality and dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15xq5ddfrU8

[Toc De Mac]

According to a source from Psychalizee.net:

La source c'est Jérémy C. Il a dit qu'il était pas du tout au courant pour Novembre, sinon il le serait, mais qu'après c'est pas lui qui s'en occupé, mais bon..soit il veut garder la surprise, mais je pense que ce sera pas pour le mois de novembre quand même. Il a dit que l'album est très très bon, ça va nous plaire, et donc ça vaut vraiment le coup d'attendre même si c'est chiant pour nous, ils veulent faire ça bien cette fois.

Jérémy C. is the source. He said that he hadn't heard anything about the November release, otherwise he would know of it, but that, after all, he's not the one in charge of it, but whatever... maybe he doesn't want to spoil the surprise[...], but in any case, I don't think that it'll be for November. He said that the album is very, very good, we're going to like it, and so it's really worth the wait even if it's a drag for us. They want to do it right this time.

[Chuck]

It's fake. Clip is from a song called Reality and dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15xq5ddfrU8

Arrggghhh. Sad, but apparently so. So who's Lisa Wassabi? She sounds a lot like Alizée, enough to fool me. But she also sounds more accented than Lilly, even a bit like Bjork.

[Deepwaters]

According to a source from Psychalizee.net:

I'm not sure what to make of this. :confused: If it's genuine, it sounds as if the J-man is completely out of the loop. To the extent that he's not in charge of the project, that's good news, but even so how can he not know when the single is to be released, so as to be able to give a definite no (or yes)? If it was my wife doing it I would know.

[Bigdan]

According to a source from Psychalizee.net:

"Oui hier j'ai rencontré Jérémy Chatelain et j'ai parler avec. J'ai aussi vu Alizée arriver en voiture, elle a les cheveux jusqu'au épaules a première vue. J'ai parlé bien sur du site Uneenfantdusiecle.com. Il m'a pas confirmer que c'était le nom de l'album..."


" Yes, I talk to Jérémy Chatelain. I saw Alizée too, coming in a car, she got hair to the shoulders, for what i see. I talk about the Uneenfantdusiecle.com site, but he didn't confirm it as the name of the album..."


:)

[wildfire]

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!

I repeat:

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!

[Roman]

...I can't imagine going to the trouble of cutting a new album after the last experience and not giving it a 100%. That would be baffleing to me.You are a human living on earth. You should be used to being baffled.

...good indications of that direction.
I liked Alizée, but I don't really pay attention to any music scene. Not so much interested in scenes as spectacles. That I even started getting interested in obscure references to old things that I don't care about is a testament to how much I was in to Alizée. I'll just say, I sure hope I do like the music - of course. And, I will wish Alizée luck in getting the help she needs.

Oh, and as no one has explicitly stated it, one can assume (following the rumors) that l'enfant in question is Edie Sedgwick, if not simultaneously something else (like Alizée).

And... if Alizée's going away from "pop", I wish she had met the guys from Angelwing. They only have one album - The Nymphaeum, but some very pleasing sounds. I like that more dreamy sound on Alizée.

[Junkmale]

I must confess that i am finding some of the recent comments a bit unusual?
I think we have to go back and think about what it was that attracted us to Alizee in first place?
The first video i watched was Moi. Initially, my first impression was 'what a babe', but then i actually listened to the song and liked it. Then i found out some more and liked it too.
The reason? It was inoffensive, catchy pop music. Nothing more and nothing less.
In itself there is nothing wrong whatsoever with perfect pop music.
Do i want her to veer off in a totally different direction? Absolutely not.
The sailor suit and the patented finger waggle have gone forever and that was always to be expected as she got a little older but i don't want her musical style to change at all. Why should i (or any of us for that matter)?
On the most recent, sporadic live performances i have really hated the 'new' versions of the older songs. It's like she is ashamed of them or something?

Yes, she should move on but not ignore her past. She should be proud of it.
And forget her pop roots? Not a bit of it!

[lefty12357]

I'm not sure what to make of this. :confused: If it's genuine, it sounds as if the J-man is completely out of the loop. To the extent that he's not in charge of the project, that's good news, but even so how can he not know when the single is to be released, so as to be able to give a definite no (or yes)? If it was my wife doing it I would know.

This may just attest to the fact of how extensive the record company's control is, once you sign with them. I wouldn't doubt if many of these decisions are out of Jeremy & Alizée's hands at this point. They probably share their thoughts and opinions and take part in debating issues, but they might not have any real say so. However, one would think out of professional courtesy, the record company would keep them apprised of any progress on their end.

It's possible too that Jeremy was just ducking the issue because he was either not authorized to give out this information, or he wants to keep the release a surprise.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

It's fake. Clip is from a song called Reality and dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15xq5ddfrU8
well there's a lass I ain't seen in a while. how be ya?

perfect fitting song tittle aye?

[Ben]

how can he not know when the single is to be released, so as to be able to give a definite no (or yes)?
He didn't say that, in fact he specifically said he would know if a single was coming out next month. In other words, one isn't. Or he was dodging the question like others have suggested.

Btw, he also said that Alizée was at a photo shoot the other day. So they're working. Things will come... when they come. :shrug:

It was inoffensive
I doubt that's how French speakers would describe it... In fact I remember one of my non-Alizée-fan Parisian friends mentioning how provocative the video still is all these years later.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Remember, it was the "Pop Heart" logo (which is of course not hers but Julien's)

one day one will realize who starts Pop Heart until that day I bid good day


I doubt that's how French speakers would describe it... In fact I remember one of my non-Alizée-fan Parisian friends mentioning how provocative the video still is all these years later.

many people don't realize what a lot of her songs are truly about ;)

[Junkmale]

The songs and music are inoffensive.

[wasabi622]

" Yes, I talk to Jérémy Chatelain. I saw Alizée too, coming in a car,she got hair to the shoulders, for what i see. I talk about the Uneenfantdusiecle.com site, but he didn't confirm it as the name of the album..."


:)

yay! new hair style!!!! :p

[TheBarrett]

The songs and music are inoffensive.

To the intelligent French citizens, i'm sure they'd say otherwise.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

The songs and music are inoffensive.
Like I say most people don't realize what most of the songs truly mean Moi Lolita ,as you stated earlier, is a perfect example

[Lerxst]

Offensive? Maybe, maybe not.
But I think most people would admit that the early Alizee was, if not "offensive", definitely "provocative".

[TheBarrett]

Offensive? Maybe, maybe not.
But I think most people would admit that the early Alizee was, if not "offensive", definitely "provocative".

(applauds*)
We have a winner.

[Junkmale]

Off course she was provocative and intentionally so.
And we all know what the conotation of 'Lolita' is.
However thats getting away from the point?
Which is that she is a pop singer, who realeased inoffensive pop music that 8 year olds could (and did) sing along to.
I for one don't want her musical style to change.

[Deepwaters]

He didn't say that, in fact he specifically said he would know if a single was coming out next month. In other words, one isn't.


No. This was the original French: "Il a dit qu'il était pas du tout au courant pour Novembre, sinon il le serait, mais qu'après c'est pas lui qui s'en occupé, mais bon"

I would translate that as: "He said that he was not at all in the know for November, if it would be then or not, but after all he was not involved in that, but it was all good." (Note that the word "serait" is a form of "être" not "savoir," so he was NOT saying "if not I would have known.")

Of course this doesn't look like a direct quote, so I don't see a way for us to know exactly what he did say word for word.


Or he was dodging the question like others have suggested.


That's possible and if he was just blowing smoke it would explain the weirdness.


Btw, he also said that Alizée was at a photo shoot the other day. So they're working. Things will come... when they come. :shrug:


Oh, I have no doubt of that! The changes to the official web page and the teaser video were all the proof I needed . . . anyway I had sensed something in the air already, which is part of the reason I'm posting more these days.

It just seemed weird that Jérémy would assert his own complete ignorance that way about the scheduled release. Re who has control over it, that's not the question; even if the record company can call the shots, surely they would tell the artist -- and wouldn't Alizée tell Jérémy? Strange. Unless, as you say, he was just dodging the question, which actually may be the most likely explanation.


I for one don't want her musical style to change.

Well, I'm afraid it looks like you're going to be disappointed.

[Ben]

I would translate that as: "He said that he was not at all in the know for November, if it would be then or not, but after all he was not involved in that, but it was all good."
Don't know, I translate "sinon il le serait" as "otherwise he would be". Guess we'll have to wait for a native speaker to confirm, though yeah as you said it's not a direct quote. But I do think it fits with what I've said before about his role being in the studio and not business. Though yes, it would make sense to know if your wife was releasing an important single in less than a month! Personally, I never put much stock in the "November" news, it seemed suspect.

[Sitting by the bay]

Oh how I love the way we Alizee fans dissect/analyze and argue over every little crumb of news that gets tossed to us, all in an effort to pass time between actual news and or music.

And oh what a drought it has been.

The glorious sheen of giddy anticipation has dulled for me...quite a bit. She can only string us along so long. I need to hear her voice again! Hell I even fell for the effing fake 30 second teaser.

All I can say is, ...Stay thirsty my friends.

[wasabi622]

All I can say is, ...Stay thirsty my friends.

I don't always gossip .. but when I do, I gossip Alizee.

[pepelepew]

Again more speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if her label put many more controls on the promotion and every aspect of this new album after the last train wreck. They are putting up money so that would make perfect sense. Alizee herself may not know when. The label may not have all the details worked out either. Remember she will be promoting in Mexico as well as Europe and contracts for distribution and other details will need to be addressed depending on the marketing strategy. I just hope they have a coherent strategy this time. Just being an Alizee fan is character building. No pain no gain:blink:

[Chuck]

(Re: "Reality And Dreams")
perfect fitting song tittle aye?

one day one will realize who starts Pop Heart until that day I bid good day
?
!
.

Is Jung leaving clues? Or red herrings? Or pickled herrings? Or what?:confused:


many people don't realize what a lot of her songs are truly about ;)

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Many people don't realize what you're talking about, either, j_a_a. ;) Lately, I swear, this is the Orient Express Forum. Or the Maltese Falcon Forum. Or a Hitchcock forum. Or is this whole forum about to be hijacked by the M. "Night" Shyamalan Forum?:eek:

:eek:Speaking of which - lillytown.forumactif.net is no longer there tonight! Yikes? Hopefully it's just some brief maintenance. But has anyone else heard from them? Ben, Toc, BigDan, Lefty, or Anyone? :confused:

[Jenny_HRO87]

:eek:Speaking of which - lillytown.forumactif.net is no longer there tonight! Yikes? Hopefully it's just some brief maintenance. But has anyone else heard from them? Ben, Toc, BigDan, Lefty, or Anyone? :confused:

don't worry Chuck it's just a web error... I noticed this some times before and on psychalizee (http://psychalizee.forum-actif.net/forum.htm) it's the same...

[Chuck]

Oh yeah. They're back, now. Thanks Jenny! & Hi there! :o

[user472884]

Man, the more and more I listen to the teaser the more and more it sounds like something that didn't make it into Psychédélices

[Toc De Mac]

I would translate that as: "He said that he was not at all in the know for November, if it would be then or not, but after all he was not involved in that, but it was all good." (Note that the word "serait" is a form of "être" not "savoir," so he was NOT saying "if not I would have known.")


Wow, Deepwaters... Thanks for catching my lazy mistake! I had read my translation several times but didn't go back to read the original French again. *shame* :o

[Deepwaters]

Wow, Deepwaters... Thanks for catching my lazy mistake! I had read my translation several times but didn't go back to read the original French again. *shame* :o

Pas de problème. Your French is still better than mine. I cringe at some of the mistakes I've made, in some of the most embarrassing circumstances (e.g. corresponding with a pretty woman). :o

[Tiwaz]

I will probably like the music whatever it sounds like. The only thing I really wish for though is that she go back to sing with her warm, darker, characteristic, sensual and comfortable (and magic) tone/vocie she used before. That was my biggest disappointment with Psychedelices.

[Toc De Mac]

I cringe at some of the mistakes I've made, in some of the most embarrassing circumstances (e.g. corresponding with a pretty woman). :o

Haha, one of the worst is still when you have finished a conversation with someone, walk away from them, and then, ten minutes later, realize all of the dumb mistakes you've just made, like using subjunctive when you had no business doing so, etc. That's already happened several times this school year. :p

[Tchaikovsky]

The only thing I really wish for though is that she go back to sing with her warm, darker, characteristic, sensual and comfortable (and magic) tone/vocie she used before. That was my biggest disappointment with Psychedelices.

Thank you.

[wmedia]

http://www.uneenfantdusiecle.com/
links now to Sonymusic.fr

http://www.alizee-officiel.com/
has got black background

and there is som fuzz about this:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/A-_BHv9I7ZM&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/A-_BHv9I7ZM&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[Fèvier]

One of my expectations for this new albums is considering that Sound of Silence is a very important song for her, then why not put it on the new album?:rolleyes: I would love to finally listen to the song without having to listen to it without having to listen to the audience taking away the emotion from such a heartwarming song:D

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

^well maybe she will put it on the CD not like she writes her own music or anything. She just sings to someone's work.

[Ben]

http://www.uneenfantdusiecle.com/
links now to Sonymusic.fr

http://www.alizee-officiel.com/
has got black background
Interesting. This is true in IE, but in Firefox both sites are unchanged. :confused:

Also that video, as others have pointed out, is a FAKE.

Last, must say I'm still not sure about the Jeremy translation, since French posters seem to be taking it as meaning there probably won't be anything in November, not as a statement of his ignorance (e.g., Bryan: "j'espérais tellement que ce soit pour novembre... tant pis, encore un peu de patience")?

[Deepwaters]

Last, must say I'm still not sure about the Jeremy translation, since French posters seem to be taking it as meaning there probably won't be anything in November, not as a statement of his ignorance (e.g., Bryan: "j'espérais tellement que ce soit pour novembre... tant pis, encore un peu de patience")?

I'm quite confident that if the statement is reported accurately he was in fact claiming ignorance, but if Jérémy knows of no single being released in November it's a sign (regardless of what he said) that there won't be one. I was just perplexed as to why he would be ignorant, that's all. His wording isn't a sign that there WILL be a single released in November, certainly.

In any case, there is movement and activity, so whether a single is released in November or not, things are happening. It's very exciting to me, all of it.

[Ben]

http://www.uneenfantdusiecle.com/
links now to Sonymusic.fr

http://www.alizee-officiel.com/
has got black background
Interesting. This is true in IE, but in Firefox both sites are unchanged. :confused:
Ah wait, I figured this out:

www.uneenfantdusiecle.com is still the three videos.
uneenfantdusiecle.com without the "www" goes to sonymusic.fr.
alizee-officiel.com (with or without www) is black in IE, white in Firefox. Probably just a bug.

[Roman]

one day one will realize who starts Pop Heart until that day I bid good day
Whatever that means.


many people don't realize what a lot of her songs are truly about ;)Truly about? Maybe there are multiple meanings, maybe there is intentional teasing ambiguity for the sake of the art of language. How much varies from song to song. Provocative, I will say yes, certainly about Moi... Lolita or JEAM. I don't find that offensive though, quite the contrary. The consequences implied by the story told by Lolita, are, like the original book, edgy one might say, but the song and of course if one knows much of anything about Alizée herself, is not of the offensive type, unless one is particularly sensitive about such things. Hell, NPR had a special 50th anniversary special for the book in 2005. I thought it was a great book albeit having content that was at times disturbing. The song played a "pop" version on the theme, hardly something as depraved as the content of the book played out in cinematic form multiple times by young ladies around Alizée's age at the time I might add. It's about the characterization, not whether or not young girls are going to start acting like that, which possibility is what makes it perhaps offensive to some. It's hardly surprising coming from Mylène who is anything but squeamish about portraying "rude" characterizations (or should I say Laurent, who is after all the cinematographer here).

If you (meaning anyone in general) are going to call it offensive, compare it to Christina Aguilera's "Dirty" and then come back and tell me the adorable Alizée could possibly be offensive. -By the way it is not at all my kind of thing, but eventually I must admit that I like the song because her singing is good and the way it sounds it's catchy.-

You'd think Jérémy would know about this or that? Well, that's making presumptions about their relationship and his involvement. Do you know anything about the other work that Jérémy does? They aren't exactly members of a "band".

One can also easily see that J/E has a lot going on all the time with big artists. I suspect management issues as always. I'm sure as fine a corporation as Sony Music is there has been so much change and it's split over some many sub-groups, geographies, etc. etc. that it really must be a god-awful mess. So many fingers in so many pies. One must have a special sense for how to navigate the world I think, in order to do things in an efficient manner. One could only hope that Alizée spends her free time (time spent on this) focusing on getting something done. In this Age of Distraction, how does anyone get anything done? There is no conventional way left. Everyone is a dinosaur and anyone can face a challenge at any time. I suspect that's the key to Alizée acting the way she does. That is, if she doesn't do things the way that feels right for her, she'll totally freak out.

And what's with this long tradition of supposedly bumping into Jérémy on the street to find out what Alizée is working on? Is it just me or... ? The inscrutable Alizée strikes again, and again, and again... So, this is apparently forever her thing. I had wished that would end in 2008, mais bon.

I am always reminded when these questions of power of the record company come up of when I heard the guys from Weezer on the radio a couple years ago and the one guy was saying how they were all pissed when they found out that the record company had made the deal to put their song on the Windows 95 install CD. Notice that they were neither asked about it nor even told about it until after the fact or they found out some other way. Of course, as he indicated, once they found out how much exposure they would be getting from that, they realized it was very good for them. (first time I ever heard of them)

@Sitting by the bay - Yeah, I think it's really a new fan's game. But I guess we're hooked and what else are we going to talk about?

@Chuck - Yes, welcome. Jung has taken over as our resident leaver of pickled herrings. :rolleyes:

@Ben - Browsers *shrug*

[Euphoria]

I never saw anything wrong with her in the early days and I'm a female. :p Yes, she was provocative, but it was always in a classy way. And yes, many people don't really understand the lyrics but let's look at the definition of a lolita. n. A seductive adolescent girl. Okay...you think other pop stars aren't seductive? I dunno, I don't see why people get so worked up.

Besides, those days are so long gone why does it matter? It's going on 10 years ago. Even Psychédélices was almost 3 years ago. People produce amazing albums in a year so don't give me that "its worth the wait crap." Because whether it was a disappointment to fans, the album sales were a joke.

[Deepwaters]

People produce amazing albums in a year so don't give me that "its worth the wait crap." Because whether it was a disappointment to fans, the album sales were a joke.

260,000 worldwide. Not really a joke. In France, it didn't do as well as expected. The question being why. Discussions of disappointed/unrealistic fan expectations, or what there might have been about the album itself that caused the poor French sales, are attempts to explain that.

For me, it IS worth the wait, because regardless of what anyone else thought I love Psychédélices. I consider it overall her best album of the three.

Lyrically there's simply no comparison. Gourmandises and MCE are nowhere near Mylène Farmer's best efforts; there are some clever lyrics in them but nothing to compare with her work on her own music. The songs in Psych, especially the ones written by Jean Fauque, are much more profound and powerful.

Musically it's more ambiguous. Laurent Boutannat is a wonderful composer and his work is more polished and smooth than anything in Psych (or most other music for that matter). But it's also less daring, less inventive, less interesting. That counts for a lot to me, and so overall I would rate Psych the best of the three musically as well as lyrically, although not as unambiguously. It's more creative, but not as well crafted.

Two flaws in it have been identified and I think both are real. One is that it covers too much stylistic ground. Although every song is excellent for the type of music it is, there are so many different types that any given listener will surely find something to dislike. For example, I'm not fond of L'effet, not because I don't think it's a good jazz number but because I don't really like jazz much. Many people have similar reservations about Decollage because they don't like rap/hip hop.

The other, which Ben pointed out, is that Alizée didn't completely jump the gap from girlhood to womanhood, trying to eat her cake and have it. Songs like Lilly Town, Lonely Liste and Jamais Plus seemed to try to recreate the old style. I don't think a full jump would have helped Psych sales frankly, but it's something she probably should do with the upcoming album.

My take on the poor sales in Europe is this. I think that in the beginning, many of the old Alizée fans rushed to buy her new album, and it zoomed to #7 on the charts. But they were disappointed because she wasn't the same, word got around, and the sales dropped. Not enough effort was made to develop a new fan base (or perhaps it couldn't be done with that album), and that's what will really be needed.

Just the same: I didn't come to it with expectations of seeing the old Lilly. I came expecting something new and different and for the most part I got it and I was impressed, with the reservations noted above. So I'm ready for this new album, and believe it will be worth the wait.

Some will be disappointed, though. Those who don't want her old style to change will not like it. But I'm sure that I will.


You'd think Jérémy would know about this or that? Well, that's making presumptions about their relationship and his involvement. Do you know anything about the other work that Jérémy does? They aren't exactly members of a "band".


Dude -- he's her husband. It has nothing to do with him being part of the "band." If he had absolutely no involvement in this album in any way (which is possible), he should still know something as important as that.

[Fenris]

260,000 worldwide. Not really a joke. In France, it didn't do as well as expected. The question being why. Discussions of disappointed/unrealistic fan expectations, or what there might have been about the album itself that caused the poor French sales, are attempts to explain that.

For me, it IS worth the wait, because regardless of what anyone else thought I love Psychédélices. I consider it overall her best album of the three.

Lyrically there's simply no comparison. Gourmandises and MCE are nowhere near Mylène Farmer's best efforts; there are some clever lyrics in them but nothing to compare with her work on her own music. The songs in Psych, especially the ones written by Jean Fauque, are much more profound and powerful.

Musically it's more ambiguous. Laurent Boutannat is a wonderful composer and his work is more polished and smooth than anything in Psych (or most other music for that matter). But it's also less daring, less inventive, less interesting. That counts for a lot to me, and so overall I would rate Psych the best of the three musically as well as lyrically, although not as unambiguously. It's more creative, but not as well crafted.

Two flaws in it have been identified and I think both are real. One is that it covers too much stylistic ground. Although every song is excellent for the type of music it is, there are so many different types that any given listener will surely find something to dislike. For example, I'm not fond of L'effet, not because I don't think it's a good jazz number but because I don't really like jazz much. Many people have similar reservations about Decollage because they don't like rap/hip hop.


Excellent analysis imho. I fully agree.
I rarely listen to her old stuff nowadays.
Don't get me wrong, it's wonderful and nostalgic to think of the Lili of old, to watch the old vids and especially en concert.

But times have changed, she has moved on, and i love psych very much, although it's far from perfect as Deep already pointed out.

As for the new album, i consider it worth the wait, because i don't expect Alizée to deliver bad music; different maybe, and probably not to the liking of some old fans...we will see.

[wildfire]

260,000 worldwide.


is that how many copies of Psychédélices sold worldwide?

[Euphoria]

I guess it's just a matter of opinion. I found Psychédélices to be a good album but kind of a snoozefest as well. And most of the lyrics were too nonsensical for my taste. I always thought Mylène did a good job of identifying Alizée's personality with parts of her own. Especially in the song Veni Vedi Vici. Psychédélices album sales were really rescued by Mexico, otherwise it would have pretty much been a complete failure. But I'm not one for focusing on the past. I truly hope she finds what she is looking for and that she has success, she's got the talent.

[pepelepew]

260,000 worldwide. Not really a joke. In France, it didn't do as well as expected. The question being why. Discussions of disappointed/unrealistic fan expectations, or what there might have been about the album itself that caused the poor French sales, are attempts to explain that.

For me, it IS worth the wait, because regardless of what anyone else thought I love Psychédélices. I consider it overall her best album of the three.

Lyrically there's simply no comparison. Gourmandises and MCE are nowhere near Mylène Farmer's best efforts; there are some clever lyrics in them but nothing to compare with her work on her own music. The songs in Psych, especially the ones written by Jean Fauque, are much more profound and powerful.

Musically it's more ambiguous. Laurent Boutannat is a wonderful composer and his work is more polished and smooth than anything in Psych (or most other music for that matter). But it's also less daring, less inventive, less interesting. That counts for a lot to me, and so overall I would rate Psych the best of the three musically as well as lyrically, although not as unambiguously. It's more creative, but not as well crafted.

Two flaws in it have been identified and I think both are real. One is that it covers too much stylistic ground. Although every song is excellent for the type of music it is, there are so many different types that any given listener will surely find something to dislike. For example, I'm not fond of L'effet, not because I don't think it's a good jazz number but because I don't really like jazz much. Many people have similar reservations about Decollage because they don't like rap/hip hop.

The other, which Ben pointed out, is that Alizée didn't completely jump the gap from girlhood to womanhood, trying to eat her cake and have it. Songs like Lilly Town, Lonely Liste and Jamais Plus seemed to try to recreate the old style. I don't think a full jump would have helped Psych sales frankly, but it's something she probably should do with the upcoming album.

My take on the poor sales in Europe is this. I think that in the beginning, many of the old Alizée fans rushed to buy her new album, and it zoomed to #7 on the charts. But they were disappointed because she wasn't the same, word got around, and the sales dropped. Not enough effort was made to develop a new fan base (or perhaps it couldn't be done with that album), and that's what will really be needed.

Just the same: I didn't come to it with expectations of seeing the old Lilly. I came expecting something new and different and for the most part I got it and I was impressed, with the reservations noted above. So I'm ready for this new album, and believe it will be worth the wait.

Some will be disappointed, though. Those who don't want her old style to change will not like it. But I'm sure that I will.



Dude -- he's her husband. It has nothing to do with him being part of the "band." If he had absolutely no involvement in this album in any way (which is possible), he should still know something as important as that.Excellent analysis and I agree wholeheartedly. You stated your case much more eloquently than I could. Another thing working against Psych sales in France is that I gather there was a lot of resentment towards Alizee leaving Mylene. Not that Alizee doesn't have talent ,but much of her initial success great production, lyrics, melodies not withstanding was catapulted by loyalty to Mylene and Laurent. Also the long gap in time and all the other bla bla bla stuff that fans have discussed and I won't bore you with.

[wildfire]

Psychédélices album sales were really rescued by Mexico, otherwise it would have pretty much been a complete failure. But I'm not one for focusing on the past. I truly hope she finds what she is looking for and that she has success, she's got the talent.


yeah and the mexican album sales were mainly because of this...http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1864/alizee4gi5.gif


:D:D

[Deepwaters]

Psychédélices album sales were really rescued by Mexico, otherwise it would have pretty much been a complete failure.


True, but so what? Does it matter where the album sells if it sells? The claim that it was a "joke" commercially simply isn't borne out by the facts.


I truly hope she finds what she is looking for and that she has success, she's got the talent.

Here we agree completely. ;)

I'm not sure what you mean by the lyrics being "nonsense." As far as I can tell, the only song with lyrics that even look at first glance like nonsense is Lilly Town, and on closer inspection the lyrics aren't nonsense. My favorite song from the album lyrically is Psychédélices, and that's about as far from nonsense as it's possible to get.

I think the fact you found it a "snoozefest" relates to what I said about it covering too much stylistic ground. If most of the album isn't your kind of music, but also isn't a style that grates on you, what else can you call it but sort of boring? I guess I had a better reaction because I do like most (but not quite all) of the musical styles it contains. Alizée herself, evidement, likes all of them -- a woman of very broad tastes musically. But there's a need for her to focus, which it seems she's doing this time.


is that how many copies of Psychédélices sold worldwide?


According to the Wikipedia article on the album, yes.

[ALS]

I have to agree with Deepwaters Psychédélices is a good album in my opinion.
I feel there is more than one issue that hurt Alizée when it came to sales in France.

1. Fans expected Alizée of 2007 to be the same women they remembered in 2003.
2. Automatically thought the album was going to be a dog because M&L were not producing it.
3. Three and half year sabbatical made her old news in France.
4. That single hotty was now a happily married women with a daughter.
4A Look what happened to Britney's career and Cd sales after K-Fed got booted to the curb.

As she gets a little more seasoning she will do nothing but improve.

Mexico sales were because during her self imposed sabbatical her music continued to thrive on the Internet and they discovered Alizée via the internet. If you polled the members of this board probaby most of us found Alizée after she left the spotlight at the end of 2003.

My favorite song on Psychédélices is L'effet. Why? It's Alizée at her best with out the crutch of musical instruments backing her up by hiding her voice in the melody. It wasn't my favorite at first but it grew on my as time went on.

[Ben]

True, but so what? Does it matter where the album sells if it sells?
I think the fear is that Mexican numbers won't be there a second time around. While she's still popular and has some really great fans there, the fad is cooling down. Guess we'll have to see what the Spanish songs do!

[Deepwaters]

If the Mexican fans aren't as lively this time as they were last time (which is not unlikely), there will be other purchases elsewhere to make up for it. If there's one thing that's been a constant for Alizée throughout her life, it's more than her share of luck. In one way or another, this new album will work for her, and so it will go unless and until she's ready to retire from music, which obviously she isn't yet.

I think there's a good chance that European sales will be better for the new album than they were for Psych. A lot depends on the synergy between her voice and the music of Chateau Marmont, which we still haven't heard because the teaser had no vocals. In any case, it would be a mistake to think that the "Mexical miracle" has to repeat itself for this album to succeed.

[Ben]

That could certainly happen, Deep, but I wish I had your confidence. Right now I can see it going either way... One thing that must be said about the "Mexical miracle" is that if it hadn't happened, we might not be here now discussing a fourth disc.

You know it's interesting how much weight we're putting on Chateau Marmont. The teaser certainly makes them seem very involved, pretty much the album's musicians, but prior to that all we had to go on was that they're doing "part of the production of Alizée's next album". I took to mean something more along the lines of Bertrand Burgalat, Daniel Darc, or Oxmo Puccino's contributions, i.e. a couple songs. Again we'll have to see, but the whole disc might not necessarily have their sound.

[Roman]

Well, I pretty much agree with a lot of what Euphoria said, but to point out a couple things: Psychédélices was only two years ago - 2007. That's why I would have been impressed if the next album had actually come out in the summer. My way of looking at it is that the album was done then; so, waiting is not making it any better. If they are going to do a better presentation of it than otherwise, I guess it's worth waiting for, mais... bref.

The album sales were probably at least 100,000 total. At least 50,000 in Mexico (to get the gold certification, right?) and I've read somewhere around 40,000 in France. Alizée was hoping for at least 75,000 as I recall her saying in an interview. Technically, "she" was able to sell the retailers on the idea and immediately sold 80,000 in France (or so I've heard), thus achieving gold there too, but one supposes that half the stock is still stitting around somewhere. Maybe it got shipped to Mexico and elsewhere in part. The numbers are not clear, but more than the numbers is just generally her presence and sense of relevance which, in France, is no longer significant it seems. That's where building and maintaining a loyal following helps bridge the gap or at least provide support in and of itself with future projects.

I did like some of the lyrics of Pysch better after carefully examining them, but I can certainly see how some might find them largely inscrutable or difficult. If I understood correctly, Mon Taxi Driver, for example, seemed like a pretty "hot" song, though, with the "new personality" of Alizée, one is not really so sure how to take it. I think she's had a bit of a persona crisis with her career. It's like, she had an established persona that got left behind, but maybe not entirely, but leaving it behind overshadows how much it can be the same and now she really seems to be going another way, yet one does not know what it means and whether or not she is actually expressing something in particular since she has changed and didn't write the lyrics, etc. etc. Who is Alizée? Is she someone with an artistic vision who can express that and share it with the world? It's a bit unclear sometimes. And, I think the French public anyway got to the point of saying, ah, who cares?

So, I can kind of see how some people might think that this album will be better because she will be better understood. Then again, if she's diving into an obscure style and expression, then it will be ... oh, she's one of those. If it's reaaaally good musically, however, then I don't think it matters much. One can only wish that the latter occurs in any case. I think when one speaks of luck, one can get confused as to the meaning. Luck is not predictable. To have good luck is to have good luck when it is had. It says nothing about the future.

Night.

[Bigdan]

I think she's had a bit of a persona crisis with her career. It's like, she had an established persona that got left behind, but maybe not entirely, but leaving it behind overshadows how much it can be the same and now she really seems to be going another way, yet one does not know what it means and whether or not she is actually expressing something in particular since she has changed and didn't write the lyrics, etc. etc. Who is Alizée? Is she someone with an artistic vision who can express that and share it with the world? It's a bit unclear sometimes. And, I think the French public anyway got to the point of saying, ah, who cares?



That's my feelings too...

[Deepwaters]

That could certainly happen, Deep, but I wish I had your confidence. Right now I can see it going either way... One thing that must be said about the "Mexical miracle" is that if it hadn't happened, we might not be here now discussing a fourth disc.


LOL Ben, when I misspell a word please correct it don't repeat it. :p

Yes, but that's what I meant about luck. Probability isn't a constant. There is a natural force that shapes it, and her life is simply blessed. Back when Psych sales were drooping in France and a lot of us were wringing our hands, I had perfect confidence that something would happen to turn things around, and it did. Things will go well this time, too, and hopefully more smoothly.


You know it's interesting how much weight we're putting on Chateau Marmont. The teaser certainly makes them seem very involved, pretty much the album's musicians, but prior to that all we had to go on was that they're doing "part of the production of Alizée's next album". I took to mean something more along the lines of Bertrand Burgalat, Daniel Darc, or Oxmo Puccino's contributions, i.e. a couple songs. Again we'll have to see, but the whole disc might not necessarily have their sound.

Might not, but here's something that makes me think it will: she's been criticized for putting out an overly-diverse album in Psych. I've advised her, and I'm sure others have, too, to do a more focused album this time. She seems to respond to that sort of thing in a certain way. Remember when people were telling her to stop wearing high heels to perform? I had envisioned ballet slippers or something like that, but what she did was to don brightly-colored sneakers for the Mexico concerts. It made me laugh at the time, as if she were saying, "You don't want high heels? OK, FINE!"

What I'm saying is that faced with criticism (either from others or from herself) she often seems to go to the opposite extreme. The hints we've had about this being a theme album suggest that this is what she's doing now, because a theme album would be the antithesis of the smorgasbord approach of Psych. Having a single set of musicians would fit into that, as if she had done every song in Psych with Jérémy writing the music and Jean Fauque the lyrics. So, I could be wrong of course, but it seems likely to me that if CM is doing part of the album they're doing all of it.

As you say, though, we'll see. Pretty soon, too. :D

[Ben]

LOL Ben, when I misspell a word please correct it don't repeat it. :p
I dunno, "Mexical" has a nice ring to it. :)

I agree about the album probably being more consistent, but then I'm not one to count chickens before they hatch, hence not big on "luck" either. But yes, we'll see. Hope you're right for her sake. Personally I didn't find Psych overly eclectic at all since I like that sort of thing, though I can see how others did.

[ALS]

The high heels situation was more of a safety issue on stage than anything else. Sure she looked good wearing them but at what cost if she got injured while performing. I was the first one this board who went off over those heels at the Moscow show. The Alan Chamfort Duet was one performance where only high heals would have worked.

I also agree one problem with the last CD was that it was all over the place in different styles. I liked it but I'll be the first to admit I like that kind of thing. Most fans have preconceived expectations of what an artists CD should sound like.

Alizée is spreading her wings and finding a style she is comfortable with. From her interviews in 2007 she seems to lean toward the Techno Pop style. The little bit of Chateau Marmont I've listen to on youtube it seems she is leaning towards that style on this next Cd.

Every successful band I have ever heard interviewed all said don't write music that you think will sell, write music that you like, and it will sell.

Perfect example: Put up by Jon Bon Jovi was the song Living on a Prayer.
They almost didn't include it on the album because they thought it wasn't something their fans would like. They included as a filler just to take up space. The song ended up being major hit. Jon said they didn't think people would like it even though he and the band loved it.

[Euphoria]

Lmao, safety issue are you kidding me? Women perform in high heels all the time. They dance, they kick, whatever. I thought she looked great. Anyways, I definitely agree with Roman. She really does seem to be having some sort of an identity crisis. Lately, it just looks like she's trying too hard to be trendy and get away from what she was. I don't think there's anything wrong with changing. Entertainers reinvent themselves all the time, but she just seems to be trying too hard to be different.

[lefty12357]

You may be right, Euphoria. I hope Alizée has sorted all this out for herself. It could make a significant difference when she reenters the spotlight and starts promoting her new music.

[Deepwaters]

Well, Euphoria, I half agree with you. Get away from her prior persona, yes. Trendy, no. And I don't think she's having an identity crisis, either, if by that you mean uncertainty about who she is. OTOH, she does seem to be trying to decide which part of her highly eclectic musical tastes will best appeal to the public. That may have been the idea behind Psychédélices, or part of it: throw it all out there at once and see what sticks. (That and, "Oh, I like this, let's include one of those.")

Ben and I both liked the variety, it seems, but she needs to appeal to more than just the two of us. ;)

BTW, if you want to know what the album sales were, just go to Wikipedia and enter Psychédélices. There's an article on that album. According to that, the sales were 50k in France, 150k in Mexico plus another 50k for the tour edition, and 10k in Russia. That leaves out sales in other countries besides those three, and I know for certain that she sold at least one copy in the U.S. :p But 260k is probably not much of an understatement; I doubt the grand total rises much if any above 300,000. Still, that's not bad. By contrast, MCE sold 200k in the first 3 months after release.

Whether you or Roman will like the new album remains to be seen. I'm reasonably certain I will because I like both electronica and Alizée and the combination will surely appeal, but the point of doing a non-smorgasbord album is to target an audience that likes a particular style, rather than trying to be all things to all listeners. That means for certain some people will not like it. But those who do will like it without reservation.

[lefty12357]

I also think Alizée knows exactly who she is, but I was thinking more of her "stage persona" so to speak. I think during Psych it certainly was a somewhat confusing image she projected, at least in the beginning. I also really liked Psych and still listen to it frequently, more so than her older music. My favorite album is still MCE, which I still listen to occasionally as well.

[Roman]

Personally, I thought the diversity of the album was a good tactic at first. It seemed to me that Alizée had the possibility of ushering in a new style of album development. Maybe I'm naïve, but it seemed like a cool idea. I agreed that I felt the same when she talked about liking all different kinds of music and as she was not the musician, but rather a facilitator or producer, it seemed like a good way to diversify herself and open up more opportunities rather than pidgeon-holing herself and making it more difficult to ever break away from something that either isn't working or that she didn't like anymore, not to mention just more fun for someone in her position.

I don't think Alizée had a strategy for Psychédélices. I think it's just what she said, she was trying to create her own album and just wanted to represent what she herself liked. Nothing wrong with that. But... it does reveal the apparent fact that she didn't have a strong sense of what she wanted to share with the world. There are bands that say, here's the music that was living inside us, like it or don't. That's all they have the ability to do. With Alizée, I think it was different. She was trying to assert herself in the world rather than continuing to always do what other people told her to do. So, she simply was trying to return to singing and wanted to be the one to create her own album. I really get the sense that she did what she did for herself without really knowing another way of doing it, though clearly there was thought at some point about how the world would take it. Since Alizée did not have a background of being the creator, but rather the performer, it didn't bother me that much to think that she'd simply dress up something that she chose from someone else. We loved it before, why not again? But maybe there are problems with that too.

And yeah, I didn't mean that Alizée has a problem about knowing who she is, but rather that she was iconic at one time, but then just became seen as the young woman formerly known as Alizée (if you take my meaning) and since Mademoiselle Juliette wasn't a big hit, there was little to point at and say, yeah, that's Alizée. Now that I think about it, it seemed like the strategy was to promote MJ as the image of Alizée and that they really tried to keep pushing that, hoping the attempt would eventually stick, but it didn't really. It may simply be that it was unable to overcome the enormity of her previous image. So much for strategies, eh?

And I'll just add that I think Psychédélices was a really cool album name. I can't imagine a better name for the album. If it had gone really big and a new image had solidified for Alizée, Psychédélices could have been iconic for the new age of Alizée. I guess it sort of is, but maybe we have too much whining and moaning about sales, shoes, dresses, dancing, bla bla bla, Alizée being out of circulation for well over a year to particularly notice or celebrate it. Maybe it's just all "longhand" for saying, hey, it could have been better and her whole comeback could have been better. It's just a shame that there was a lot of good stuff that we don't remember as much as how much we wished for the phenomenal success of our reluctant queen, if I may wax grandiloquent.

Oh and <sarcasm> if Wikipedia says it's so, it must be so!
</sarcasm>

[lefty12357]

Good stuff, Roman. And I agree, Psychédélices is a great name.

I think when Alizée returned onto the scene with Psych, a lot of fans didn’t get what they expected. And yet I remember fans not being able to define what they really had expected. Therefore we got into endless discussions about somewhat trivial matters that really didn’t get to the heart of it. The fact is, I don’t think a lot of fans new what they expected, but they knew it wasn’t what they got (if that makes sense.) All Alizée could do was continue to do what was within her ability to do. I can’t imagine what she could have done to make everyone happy, but I think she might have been able to do some things that would have made it better. The expectations of fans were enormous, but not clearly defined.

Personally, I was very relieved that I liked Psych. I didn’t want to end up to be one of the disappointed fans. But all this has still taught me a lesson to appreciate what gifts are given to me. I am looking forward to Alizée’s new album with that frame of mind.

[Deepwaters]

I like the name Psychédélices, too, but at first it wasn't one of my favorite songs from the album. Actually I didn't much like it at all until I took the time to really understand the lyrics. Not easy for a non-native-francophone! I can understand French, sure, but those words are cryptic, not straightforward French that's easy to understand. At this point, though, having understood what the song is communicating, I find it magnificent. Magnificent poetry, anyway.

I felt that Alizée was a bit insecure in her comeback. Those early performances showed considerable hesitation, and she seemed to have a little difficulty dealing with things like the rumors about her and Mylène. She's stronger now, so between that and the greater focus, I'm confident the new album will do better. Although, again, I personally like Psych the best of the three she's done.

Wikipedia has of course been known to make mistakes, but there's no particular reason to doubt those sale figures. If you feel like doing some research to verify them, be my guest.

[edgar93]

ahem... actual news/rumour about the upcoming album:

http://www.i-actu.com/index.php?2009/10/26/7589-alizee-une-enfant-du-siecle-nouvel-album-a-venir

French:
D'après des rumeurs insistantes, l'album disponible en janvier 2010 s’inspirera de la vie de l’actrice Edie Sedgwick… il contiendra une chanson en espagnol ( pour les fans mexicains de l'artiste ) et la même en français. En attendant, le teaser:

Translation by Cheeky:
As the constant rumors say, the disc is going to be relased on january 2010 and is going to be inspired by the life of the actress Edie Sedwick...

One of the songs in the disc is going to have two versions: one in french and another in spanish (for her méxican fans).

[Roman]

Not exactly news and there are things that are wrong or common forum believe has debunked (that is, don't believe everything said), but if you want my translation:

Alizée, "a child of the century", new album to come?
A bit of mystery for the next album from Alizée, and for the first single that should be released next November.

Since a few days ago, the site, Une Enfant du Siècle, has revealed a strange teaser.
It would seem that the singer, ex-muse of Mylène Farmer, has decided to work with the group Château Marmont or her next CD. After a second album which did not have the same success as the first, the young singer (though already a mother!) is going to present us with works of a style which should have more than one surprise.

According to persistant rumors, the album, available in January 2010, will be inspired by the life of the actrice Edie Sedgwick... it will contain a song in Spanish (for the Mexican fans of the artist) and the same in French. While waiting, the teaser:

By the way, again people, just in case, you better go watch the movie Factory Girl that came out a few years ago, about the life of Edie Sedgwick.

[wasabi622]

It is now November.. any sign of that single??

[Fenris]

Not exactly news and there are things that are wrong or common forum believe has debunked (that is, don't believe everything said), but if you want my translation:

Alizée, "a child of the century", new album to come?
A bit of mystery for the next album from Alizée, and for the first single that should be released next November.

Since a few days ago, the site, Une Enfant du Siècle, has revealed a strange teaser.
It would seem that the singer, ex-muse of Mylène Farmer, has decided to work with the group Château Marmont or her next CD. After a second album which did not have the same success as the first, the young singer (though already a mother!) is going to present us with works of a style which should have more than one surprise.

According to persistant rumors, the album, available in January 2010, will be inspired by the life of the actrice Edie Sedgwick... it will contain a song in Spanish (for the Mexican fans of the artist) and the same in French. While waiting, the teaser:

By the way, again people, just in case, you better go watch the movie Factory Girl that came out a few years ago, about the life of Edie Sedgwick.

Sounds like hearsay and rumor mongering to me...they even posted one of the "fake" trailers...shows their professionalism :rolleyes:

Again, back to waiting..

[mercenaries16]

it's november i want a single right now , where is it ? seriously i want it .....now or better right now .. ¿please?

[OndrejSc]

it's november i want a single right now , where is it ? seriously i want it .....now or better right now .. ¿please?

Rather than hasting things, better enjoy the situation you're in. You know the single will come and it won't be too long now. Enjoy the waiting.

[Euphoria]

A whole album? Ugh, wasn't Fifty Sixty enough?

[wasabi622]

Rather than hasting things, better enjoy the situation you're in. You know the single will come and it won't be too long now. Enjoy the waiting.

wait. wait. wait... it would still be nice to see the light at the end of the tunnel by now. :p

[Ben]

Remember guys, Jérémy more-or-less debunked the November rumor... which was never really news anyway, hence not given a topic here. The album's well on it's way, but don't hold your breath for anything this month.

[Edcognito]

I hate it when you guys don't tell me how to find the easter eggs... :( You did that to me with the last one... Never did find it.

Followed the thread all the way through, I only have one thing to add:

I get a frisson every time I think about a new album! Anticipation is the best "sauce".

Enjoy the anticipation ladies and gentlemen...

Ed:cool:

[Fall]

Well this Fall (:D) season has been great so far, so i think i can live without a Lilly album for at least a month or two. Even if it comes in Winter, it'll make a great Christmas/Birthday present! A new album would definitely make this year worthy of changing my name to Fall09 :eek::D Idk if you can do that though :confused:

[mercenaries16]

okei i wait but how much more ? you now it says in september okei i wait until september wait it says that in october ok i wait until october and now its november and where is the single ?' hey its sound like dejabu ......

sorry for my english im mexican but alizee moves me trought other languages

[wasabi622]

okei i wait but how much more ? you now it says in september okei i wait until september wait it says that in october ok i wait until october and now its november and where is the single ?' hey its sound like dejabu ......

sorry for my english im mexican but alizee moves me trought other languages

ok, here me out!

yo creo tambien! quiero la nueva album(?) ahora!

ahora esta noviembre.. cuanto mas mes necessitamos esperar?? pues.. esperando esta mitad de la divertido no?? :p

i think you'll find that your english is better than my spanish! :D

[mercenaries16]

jajaja you're right the best part of a new album is waiting for the release jaj ai help with your spanish i think you want to say

yo tambien lo creo quiero el nuevo album ahora .. ahora hasta noviembre cuantos meses mas nesesitamos esperar i think the end part its like pues esperando esta mitad es mas divertido i hope this new album was more like MCE than psychedelices but whatever its like i think that was great

[SDB]

i hope this new album was more like MCE than psychedelices but whatever its like i think that was great

Don't hope too hard for this, MCE was still arraganged by Mylene & Laurent, it will be different than that, and it might be quite different from Psych aswell, seeing as that has been called a transition album.

[mercenaries16]

why alizee runs from MCE style ?? i now its laurent and mylene style but im not sure if are only mylene and laurent think that alizee is not a robot she put something of itself in MCE why dont pull that back ?'

[Tchaikovsky]

why alizee runs from MCE style ?? i now its laurent and mylene style but im not sure if are only mylene and laurent think that alizee is not a robot she put something of itself in MCE why dont pull that back ?'
Idk I guess she just doesn't like success.

[mercenaries16]

how can it be possibly to not like succes ? i think maybe should be something more

[Deepwaters]

why alizee runs from MCE style ??

As I understand it, she wanted to do her own thing, under her own persona on stage. When she started with M&L, she was a teenager and Mylène chose her to sing songs that were wrong for Mylène's own stage persona and her age. The outfits she wore, the dances she did, everything except her own personality was Mylène's creation. Alizée wanted to perform music that fit her own musical taste in a way that was truer to the person she is. If that meant it would be less successful, she was OK with that.

With Chateau Marmont collaborating with her the new album is likely to be more electronic/synthesized than in the past.

[mercenaries16]

As I understand it, she wanted to do her own thing, under her own persona on stage. When she started with M&L, she was a teenager and Mylène chose her to sing songs that were wrong for Mylène's own stage persona and her age. The outfits she wore, the dances she did, everything except her own personality was Mylène's creation. Alizée wanted to perform music that fit her own musical taste in a way that was truer to the person she is. If that meant it would be less successful, she was OK with that.

With Chateau Marmont collaborating with her the new album is likely to be more electronic/synthesized than in the past.

i dont agree with that , yes its true that alizee was young and mylene bla bla bla but dont you say me that alizee makes all that mylene wants without puting some of her personal taste in that she's not a robot she made decisions i dont think that mylene was like do this and shut up i think alizee put something of itself in MCE and Gourmandises albums anyone thinks something like that ?

[Fall]

i dont agree with that , yes its true that alizee was young and mylene bla bla bla but dont you say me that alizee makes all that mylene wants without puting some of her personal taste in that she's not a robot she made decisions i dont think that mylene was like do this and shut up i think alizee put something of itself in MCE and Gourmandises albums anyone thinks something like that ?

I'm sure she had a say in everything, but if there was something she didn't like but Mylene and Laurent did, she was probably outvoted and had to do it. It wasn't like they were forcing her to do anything, they were managing her career the way they thought would work best, and it worked after all right? There are many different reasons we can come up with to explain why she left M/L but only they know for sure. All we can do is be happy with Psych, which is great in my opinion, and support her as best we can. Solo podemos mover hacia el futuro :)

[mercenaries16]

yes i think you're right but what is more alizee like psychedelices or the new album ? al of this sounds like the new disc its diferent of psychedelices so whats alizee more alike maybe its too soon to question that but i just cant take this out of my mind

[Tchaikovsky]

Whether or not she had any say in the production of Gourmandises or MCE is irrelevant. Letting Farmer and Boutonnat do all the production worked well, and brought hundreds of thousands of fans. The only thing that matters now is the inferior quality of the albums being churned out by Chatelain and Co. It would have been in her best interest if she had stuck with Mylene and Boutonnat.

[mercenaries16]

yes but alizee really dont cares about the money or what their fans like she only wants to be more like she wants and i think its good for alizee but bad for her musician career maybe she need to return whith mylen and laurent

[Fall]

yes but alizee really dont cares about the money or what their fans like she only wants to be more like she wants and i think its good for alizee but bad for her musician career maybe she need to return whith mylen and laurent

Wouldn't that be embarrassing? It's like moving out of mom and dad's house, trying to make it on your own and coming back defeated :(

[mercenaries16]

yes its embarrasing but if she not return with laurent and mylene maybe her career its off what do you prefer ? embarasing or cuting off her last years of carrer because a simply crazy idea of be more like she is ?

[Deepwaters]

Letting Farmer and Boutonnat do all the production worked well

For what? "Worked" implies that one is certain what the goal is. Implied in the rest of your post is that the goal is to sell records and make money -- period. It did "work" for that purpose, agreed. Is that really the only purpose there can be? No artist would ever agree.

In the end, an artist must be true to her art. If that means Alizée must accept a lower level of commercial success and fame, she has already stated she's OK with that. There's no point in whining about it. Either you like what she's doing today or you don't. If you don't, don't buy it.

[Fall]

yes its embarrasing but if she not return with laurent and mylene maybe her career its off what do you prefer ? embarasing or cuting off her last years of carrer because a simply crazy idea of be more like she is ?

What we prefer wouldn't make a difference, it's her decision. Besides, maybe M/L don't want to work with her again, maybe it would kill her career anyway, cause it would be selling out in a way. She shouldn't have to go back to them, she should fix up the way her career is being handled. And even then, maybe she likes it the way it is?

[ALS]

yes but alizee really dont cares about the money or what their fans like she only wants to be more like she wants and i think its good for alizee but bad for her musician career.

I have to kindly disagree with that statement.

I learned a little more about Alizée in the last few hours than only major fans presently know.

Believe me Alizée like all people likes money and the nice things it will buy her and her family. :)

I think we will be very pleasantly surprised by this new CD.

I thought the worst when we were discussing her soon to be released Psychédélicés back in 2007.

Psychédélicés end up being a pretty good CD. With two years and some experience under her belt I'm looking for a CD that is even better than the last.

Hopefully Alizée will not make a liar out of me on the previous statement. :wub:

[mercenaries16]

well maybe i need to be more patient with that psychedeices its alizee first album witouth profesionals handle maybe she needs some time to get in the buisnes and make a memorable album maybe in 20 years alizee will be the queen of pop i think i need to be more patient . this thing of the new single its driving me crazy sorri :P :$

[Scruffydog777]

I'm sure we'll never see Alizée, MF and LB get back together. Mainly because I think some feathers were ruffled in the process of them breaking up. Details of which I'm sure we'll never know. I think it was a huge mistake for her to leave them. They seemed to be a perfect fit for what they were doing.

Most of you probably know that even though I think PLP is a very beautiful song, I'm not a big fan of Psych. But who knows how good this new album will be? She's made changes. Wether they'll be good ones, only time will tell. So I'm going to remain very optimistic. I owe her that.

[Deepwaters]

I'm sure we'll never see Alizée, MF and LB get back together. Mainly because I think some feathers were ruffled in the process of them breaking up.

I don't know whether "feathers were ruffled" or not, but I am sure what happened years ago is no barrier to them getting together again today if they wanted to. Everyone knows Alizée sent Mylène an advance copy of Psych before it was released. I have heard that Mylène returned the favor and sent Alizée a pre-release copy of her latest album, Point du Suture. We also know that Mylène preserved Alizée's professional name for her. There is absolutely no reason to believe there are any bad feelings between the two artists at this point in time, and all the evidence we have points to the contrary.

Alizée is not working with Mylène and Laurent at this point because she doesn't want to, not because they're mad at each other. It's not impossible that some day they might collaborate again, probably after Alizée has proven herself capable of making it on her own. Although there's no guarantee of that, either.

[Fenris]

I learned a little more about Alizée in the last few hours than only major fans presently know.

Do you care to elaborate? ;)

As for this MF/LB discussion, this is purely academic.
They go separate ways now, accept it.
And Psych as an album was not bad, but it did not neccessarily appeal to fans who expected more of the same...but this already has been discussed at lenght...

[mercenaries16]

ok have been finished this discussion . wee need to focus on the important something nows when the hell is that single released or something new that we dont now yet ?

[ALS]

I joined this board after reading a glorified hit piece of made up slander by some supposed teenage friend of the Chatélains. We have had at least two magazine pieces that told of Alizée and Jérémy's relationship being pretty much over since 2008. Again both flat out lies and latest confirmed by Alizée with her making a joke of it, Twittering her fans.

This so called feud between Myleen and Alizée is another bold face lie by the media to generate conflict and a wishful story.:mad:

There has never been one person close to either Myleen or Alizée who ever has come out saying that their relationship was anything more than mutually cordial.

I learned a little more about Alizée in the last few hours than only major fans presently know.

Do you care to elaborate? ;)

Yep, If you find a previous post I posted on Friday (Not in this thread) you will know there is no way the happy couple is breaking up.

I updated it today Edit: New info in Bold. What you see is all I will ever disclose and will not elaborate more (Don't ask) to protect Alizée and her families privacy.

God I'm really starting to hate these Vultures and Hyena's that write hit pieces on Alizée and Jérémy. :mad:

[mercenaries16]

if my mind stay alive alizee start to sing in 2000 if im right in 2010 they have been 10 years of alizee singing maybe is just me but 10 years deserve a special celebration dont you think maybe we could made something 10 years its a lot its much more than a lot of top ten singers cand say someone thinks like me ?

[Fall]

if my mind stay alive alizee start to sing in 2000 if im right in 2010 they have been 10 years of alizee singing maybe is just me but 10 years deserve a special celebration dont you think maybe we could made something 10 years its a lot its much more than a lot of top ten singers cand say someone thinks like me ?

I was thinking actually, if she was gonna do anything. A 10th Year anniversary concert or two? Scratch that, a 10th Year Anniversary Concert Tour! :eek::D That would be awesome. :D But we could have another podcast session for this too

[mercenaries16]

that will be wonderfull but what of alizee america its most inmportant that alizee's birthay comon anyone lets make something special

[Deepwaters]

Moi . . . Lolita was released July 4, 2000. 10-year anniversary would therefore be July 4, 2010. Probably a good idea to start discussing what we'll do to celebrate, but it's still a ways off.

[wmedia]

Here is the song that was in the "fake" teaser we found some days ago
The musical artist is: Morandi feat Lisa [Wassabi] - Reality and dreams

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[ALS]

Moi . . . Lolita was released July 4, 2000. 10-year anniversary would therefore be July 4, 2010. Probably a good idea to start discussing what we'll do to celebrate, but it's still a ways off.


I'm volunteering to take her out for dinner at the restaurant of her choice in Paris on Sunday July 4th 2010 to celebrate her anniversary. :D

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I for one can't wait for the new Chateau Marmont CD with Alizée singing backup :D

as for her and Mylene I very highly doubt you'll ever see them collaborate together again. ever

[wasabi622]

as for her and Mylene I very highly doubt you'll ever see them collaborate together again. ever


i agree. seems like Alizee is pretty fricken determined to separate herself from the Mylene years..

[Fenris]

New teasers...press refresh..

http://www.uneenfantdusiecle.com/

[Criss_pl]

I think that Alizée is far far away from coming back to M&L, now she is making her own music, which we are waiting impatiently for.

Well, I'm still waiting, but I'd like to know the date now, even if it'd be in March (I'd prefer an earlier date) I could wait, but with informations it's easier. Now I have another album to listen:D but...
I want Alizée Jacotey-Chatelain one (sounds pretty cute:p)

[Ben]

New teasers...press refresh..

http://www.uneenfantdusiecle.com/
Yup, looks like there are six different clips now (all the same music).

New videos
15 minutes ago from web

Edit:

Wasn't happy with all the low quality, watermarked videos on youtube, so made my own compilation of the six clips...

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Download: http://rapidshare.com/files/302341720/teaser.f4v

[wildfire]

Such a strong and beautiful nose. I luv how it gives her face personality!

Is this Chateau Marmont music? I hope not.. it sounds like the theme to Airwolf! I miss laurants rich, syrupy instrumentation... I'm not a fan of the overly electronic stuff.. it sounds cheap!

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vs something like this:

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[wasabi622]

Yup, looks like there are six different clips now (all the same music).



Edit:

Wasn't happy with all the low quality, watermarked videos on youtube, so made my own compilation of the six clips...

<object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://alizeeamerica.com/player_flv/player_flv.swf" width="640" height="360"> <param name="movie" value="http://alizeeamerica.com/player_flv/player_flv.swf" /> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /> <param name="FlashVars" value="flv=http%3A//media.alizeeamerica.com/teaser.f4v&amp;title=Une Enfant du Siecle / A Child of the Century Teaser&amp;width=640&amp;height=360&amp;volume=50&amp;showvolume=1 &amp;margin=0&amp;showvolume=1&amp;showtime=1&amp;showplayer=alway s&amp;showloading=always&amp;showfullscreen=1" /> </object>

Download: http://rapidshare.com/files/302341720/teaser.f4v


hmm.. more blue balls here. not with the single or anything, but the video!

it's like, hey! ya wanna see Alizee?? ok, wait for it.. here's the back of her head.. here's a silhouette.. here's the side of her face.. wait for it.. wait for it.. wait for IT!!!

*faints*

[Criss_pl]

hmm.. more blue balls here. not with the single or anything, but the video!

it's like, hey! ya wanna see Alizee?? ok, wait for it.. here's the back of her head.. here's a silhouette.. here's the side of her face.. wait for it.. wait for it.. wait for IT!!!

*faints*

Don't forget the nose:) and new(?) hairstyle. In first series of the teasers there was CM; in second there are shown parts of Alizée in shadow and sharp light. What will be there in next videos?
And as always there is our great friend: word "wait". So be it.

[user472884]

Such a strong and beautiful nose. I luv how it gives her face personality!

yup, where would Alizée be without her nose?

[wasabi622]

Don't forget the nose:) and new(?) hairstyle. In first series of the teasers there was CM; in second there are shown parts of Alizée in shadow and sharp light. What will be there in next videos?
And as always there is our great friend: word "wait". So be it.

oh yes.. the new hair style!
cant' really tell, but seems a bit longer than it used to be?
and doesn't look like the same style either.

[Fèvier]

Well, looks like well just have to "wait" to find out:D

[Fall]

Well, looks like well just have to "wait" to find out:D

uh oh, there's that word again... :eek: I feel like I've grown to be the most patient guy in the universe since I've been patient all this time lol :D

[wasabi622]

uh oh, there's that word again... :eek: I feel like I've grown to be the most patient guy in the universe since I've been patient all this time lol :D

That's just another great benefit that comes with being an Alizee fan. She is just a wonderful influence on all! :D

[Fèvier]

I feel like I've grown to be the most patient guy in the universe since I've been patient all this time

well patience is one of the greatest virtues and it's because of her that it has grown stronger in most of us :D

[rcs]

Such a strong and beautiful nose. I luv how it gives her face personality!

Is this Chateau Marmont music? I hope not.. it sounds like the theme to Airwolf! I miss laurants rich, syrupy instrumentation... I'm not a fan of the overly electronic stuff.. it sounds cheap!

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vs something like this:

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Hmmm. This stuff initially reminded me of some old Tangerine Dream or Jean Michel Jarre music. I know, I know...it's old. Maybe they were influenced with all that machine music. Unfortuanately, I used it to help me get to sleep. Hope that's not Lili's approach. Or, better yet, maybe Lili will help me sleep. :wub:

[Ben]

Site and MySpace/Facebook updated a little:

http://alizee-officiel.com :
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6690/imageeb.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/imageeb.jpg/)

Alizée achève d'enregistrer son nouvel album, Une Enfant du siècle. Elle s'est entourée d'un groupe de producteurs* assemblé par le label Institubes.

*Chateau Marmont, David Rubato, Jérôme Echenoz, Rob et Tahiti Boy.

Alizée has finished recording her new album, A Child of the Century. She worked with a group of producers* assembled by the Institubes label.

*Chateau Marmont, David Rubato, Jerome Echenoz, Rob and Tahiti Boy.

[Chuck]

wow, ben, wow. -_- But who's Tahiti Boy?

Wildfire: yeah, and mccartney was so much better when he was working with lennon. They should get back together, too.

[Deepwaters]

LOL she's such a tease. :p

Talk about totally new directions, not one person who worked on Psychédélices seems to be working on UEdS, not even the J-man. Well, except Alizée of course. This could be interesting.

[Roman]

Well, she doesn't exactly like to stay the same eh? It does fit in with this sense that Alizée's career is not anything permanent though. She's just giving a try to this and that like she always has. ?? Maybe she has a hard time settling down. Being married (legally or not) is enough settling. ?? Free spirit? Or, it just didn't click with the others. There's creating an album and then there's promoting, touring, etc. and those are totally different things. We'll see if other names get written down. That list is far fewer than what was on the last album.

Ah, and yes the acronym. Hmm. I'm thinking EDS for Enfant du Siècle or EdS (three letters is enough).

[wmedia]

wow, ben, wow. -_- But who's Tahiti Boy?

Wildfire: yeah, and mccartney was so much better when he was working with lennon. They should get back together, too.

The myspace page of Tahiti Boy sould give us an idéa of what we can get here :-)
http://www.myspace.com/tahitiboyfamily

And the label
http://www.institubes.com/home.php
http://www.myspace.com/institubes

[Deepwaters]

Well, she doesn't exactly like to stay the same eh?

The impression I'm getting here is that Psych involved such a train wreck, with poor European sales and canceled concerts, that she's cleaned the slate and started over with a whole new team.

[Euphoria]

Such a strong and beautiful nose. I luv how it gives her face personality!

Is this Chateau Marmont music? I hope not.. it sounds like the theme to Airwolf! I miss laurants rich, syrupy instrumentation... I'm not a fan of the overly electronic stuff.. it sounds cheap!

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vs something like this:

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You say that, but Mylene's latest album had a very electronic sound to it. :) And usually when people collaborate, it isn't going to sound exactly the same.

[lefty12357]

It seems Alizée's official site has changed. http://www.alizee-officiel.com

:)

[wmedia]

It seems Alizée's official site has changed. http://www.alizee-officiel.com

:)

And if I click on the text, I can turn the text on and off. Cool :wub:

[UniCom]

Wow, I didn't see anything new earlier this morning.

[Deepwaters]

Thanks for the tip Lefty. I checked it out and all I can say is . . . wow. She's really being a tease, isn't she? I think I can sort of see her face towards the end of this one, and it's not in silhouette. But it's very blurry. Just like we're gradually seeing her, we're gradually getting information about the new album. Now we know the name, and we know who's working on it. But we still don't know any details, and we don't have a release date.

Like something seen through dark water
Or in a fevered daydream --
Is it real, or just a false temptation
Luring me to chase the will-o-wisps
Through the gentling fog?
Though I cannot see your face,
Though I cannot hear your voice,
Though your words have disappeared,
Though my confidant is silent,
Still I wait. Still I feel. Still I know.

[UniCom]

Although the official website has been changed, nothing's going on in http://www.uneenfantdusiecle.com

[Ben]

Direct link to the new clip:
http://www.alizee-officiel.com/1.swf

This also works but appears to be the same thing:
http://www.alizee-officiel.com/2.swf

[Roman]

Translation:

Alizée completes recording her new album, Une Enfant du Siècle.
She surrounded herself with a group of producers assembled by the label Institubes: Chateau Marmont, David Rubato, Jérôme Echenoz, Rob, Tahiti Boy

And for those who, like me, may be going blind, check out this thread for screen shots which make it clear that Alizée is in that video. I think I was distracted by the words and didn't see that it was showing Alizée with a button-up top, perhaps shorter hair and in any case looking off to the side of the frame (toward the right). You probably all thought that was obvious.
http://lillytown.forumactif.net/actualite-f1/une-enfant-du-siecle-t467-210.htm#14715
I must say, this is all going right into the bizarre. All these "grave" side glances and all that. I sure hope all that goes away. I guess she has to play some kind of role that appears to mean something. I hope it's not the Warholeskly meaningless poses. Sorry, but I'm one of those people who sees his art as just nothing. I like what he says in the movie. Something like: 'I'm not good looking. It's all I can do.' They really give the sense that he knows that what he is doing is actually wholely pretentious as art, but as long as people can get involved in something and it earns him a living, eh, why not? Until he appears to start treating Edie poorly, his character seems rather sober considering the environment and likeable in his manner. But I totally digress.

[lefty12357]

Both sites have been updated with (I think 4) new teasers !

http://www.alizee-officiel.com/
http://www.uneenfantdusiecle.com/

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=47061&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=2b3a95bb3180b57d3f7ac5a784d7390b

Screen cap from http://www.nidalizee.com/.



And thanks Ruro for posting my post from AlizeeNation here. I hope everyone that wants more Alizée in the future will take it to heart. :)

[Merci Alizée]

Yeah there are 4 new teasers
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs240.snc3/22760_280998166779_186164141779_3803480_4324724_n. jpg

and there is one more news from popheart.com that the album will be available for preoder from Monday.

[Ben]

Here's a zip of the 5 new files: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=10GWP2JS

Too bad there isn't sound. As nice as it is to see her, it's the music I'm really curious about! Well roll on tomorrow. It would be a little odd to offer a pre-order without any samples, no? :cool:

[lefty12357]

Here's a zip of the 5 new files: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=10GWP2JS

Too bad there isn't sound. As nice as it is to see her, it's the music I'm really curious about! Well roll on tomorrow. It would be a little odd to offer a pre-order without any samples, no? :cool:

Thanks, Ben. And I agree with you. Maybe a few samples will appear if or when the pre-order starts.

As for me, I would buy the album even without samples. I would even buy it if there were samples and they sucked. I want Alizée's career to continue for the long haul because I like her and I think she will deliver good work in the future. I'm sure many of us here feel the same way.

Without samples though, I think the pre-order will only appeal to the more hard core fans, which may limit what the record company can learn from the sales data of such a pre-order.

[user472884]

I want Alizée's career to continue for the long haul because I like her and I think she will deliver good work in the future.

Yup. T'is the reason I bought Mes Courants Électriques and En Concert, twice.

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This album is going to change everything.

[AfriqueDuSud]

Without samples though, I think the pre-order will only appeal to the more hard core fans, which may limit what the record company can learn from the sales data of such a pre-order.

Holy smokes, I was saying the exact same thing to someone else this morning ... I completely agree with your point clearly :D Great minds ..

[paintballpdh19]

wow... now that just makes it harder to wait for the release!

[Roman]

So, I wonder, what, if anything, is Jive/Epic doing? Sales are going through Alizée's site through some obscure music sales web site... Anyone could do this. I've bought a couple albums that were played on either just YouTube or internet radio that functioned about like this. I'm wondering if "major label" means anything at all anymore. I mean, who cares as long as one gets what one wants, but ... I'm quite uncertain as to what any of it has meant in the last couple years.

[Ben]

So, I wonder, what, if anything, is Jive/Epic doing? Sales are going through Alizée's site through some obscure music sales web site... Anyone could do this. I've bought a couple albums that were played on either just YouTube or internet radio that functioned about like this. I'm wondering if "major label" means anything at all anymore. I mean, who cares as long as one gets what one wants, but ... I'm quite uncertain as to what any of it has meant in the last couple years.
I was talking with some people about this, and my take on it is that the Deluxe Edition was probably something Alizée and Institubes cooked up more or less on their own, while the normal versions that appear in record shops and the usual online outlets will need Sony's backing to meet production demands.

[lefty12357]

I was talking with some people about this, and my take on it is that the Deluxe Edition was probably something Alizée and Institubes cooked up more or less on their own, while the normal versions that appear in record shops and the usual online outlets will need Sony's backing to meet production demands.

It seems that this would be quite an interesting arrangement, and if true, could be good for Alizée. I would imagine Institubes is a more "artist friendly" label. So hopefully Alizée's share of the income from this pre-order will be a higher percentage than what she would have normally received from Sony.

[Fenris]

It seems that this would be quite an interesting arrangement, and if true, could be good for Alizée. I would imagine Institubes is a more "artist friendly" label. So hopefully Alizée's share of the income from this pre-order will be a higher percentage than what she would have normally received from Sony.

It's certainly a good idea to establish a link to her fans and to create some revenue from them.
No one else will bother to preorder the album for this price -> this arrangement is solely for her hardcore-fans.

[Alex]

Alizee has updated and modified her Official YouTube Channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/alizeeofficiel#p/u/0/__H6yKjKI-4


Really glad to see things are starting to move forward:)


I dunno if this is the correct thread to post this, so if Ben finds the best place to relocated, please do so, THANKS!