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WhiteFeather

02-01-2012, 06:31 PM

From Merriam-Webster:

tool
noun \ˈtül\

1
a : a handheld device that aids in accomplishing a task b (1) : the cutting or shaping part in a machine or machine tool (2) : a machine for shaping metal : machine tool
2
a : something (as an instrument or apparatus) used in performing an operation or necessary in the practice of a vocation or profession <a scholar's books are his tools>

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Take your pick. :mad:

Taxi Driver Aaron

02-03-2012, 06:10 PM

I win the tool discussion... okay.. moving on...

http://www.alizee-italia.com/gallery/image.php?id=656

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-04-2012, 05:58 PM

just thought this was a funny comparison when I was cleaning both...

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405858_2859823588057_1633681271_2487909_1614354523 _n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

02-04-2012, 07:11 PM

is that a scope on a handgun?

ALS

02-04-2012, 07:56 PM

How the hell did I miss this thread. :facepalm:

Here is one of my long range reach out and touch someone toys.

It is an Iron Brigade Armory Chandler M40 Long Range Precision Rifle

Spec's

Remington 700 .308
Hart 26 inch Stainless Steel Fluted Heavy barrel
McMillan A5 Stock
Leupold Mark IV 4.5-14 X 40 mm with custom Premier MILDOT reticle.

I hand load my rounds for this gun.
42 grains of IMR 4064, 175 gn Sierra Match Kings.
2650 muzzle velocity. At this speed they stay super sonic out past 1000 yards.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2398/2358221869_f3dc0f12dc_z.jpg

My last four acquisitions were

Armalite AR-10 M4
Armalite AR-10 SASS
Kimber Eclipse II .45
Benelli M4 12 gauge.

WhiteFeather

02-05-2012, 06:59 PM

^ Very nice rifle. I debated saving up and buying a Remington 700 or a Winchester 70 a while back, but decided instead to use the saved funds on a Sig 556 Classic SWAT.

One question, though. If I may ask, why 2 AR-10's?

I also just purchased a new rifle. In 22 hours, I will be the proud new owner of a Savage 64F .22. Also known as Lilly 5.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-06-2012, 09:27 AM

is that a scope on a handgun?

Indeed it is, a little over inch groups at 50 yards, it may just go deer hunting this year

Regards,

Jung

ALS

02-06-2012, 10:20 AM

They're two different animals as they say.

The M4 is a short barreled .308.

The SASS (Semi Automatic Sniper System) is a long range weapon.

http://www.armalite.com/Images/large%20images/Rifles/A10SBF.jpg

The M4 is a 400 meter gun while the SASS is good for 800 plus meters.

The mouse guns (AR-15) are fun but I moved up to .308 for a change.

In fact my first Semi Auto rifle was and is still my favorite, a Springfield Armory M1A Super Match. A few years ago I had it re-barreled with a Krieger heavy barrel and had it gone over by Charles Maloney a semi-retired National Match Gunsmith who's located just outside of Baltimore MD.

That Savage is really nice. I've been looking for a nice .22 rifle but haven't decided on which one. I'm partial to finding a clean Winchester 52 to add to my collection. I already have a Winchester 9422 which I really like. Most of the bolt actions I've held are almost like kid guns and that is why I'm looking for either the Winchester 52 or a Remington 40X in 22 long rifle. The 40X's are almost impossible to find on top of the exorbitant prices people are asking for one when they do come available.

WhiteFeather

02-06-2012, 10:57 AM

I see. Money is the biggest concern for me now. Otherwise, I'd need an armory to hold all the guns I'd buy. I guess I would rather have multiple rifles for different ranges.

The M1A is one of my dream rifles. Once I find a Standard with a Walnut stock for a more affordable price, I'm dropping everything and buying that. Unfortunately that may be a while. Around here, I've seen the standards go for around $1500-2000. Maybe once I get a more stable, higher paying job. I've also entertained the idea of making a life-goal of saving up for an M25 White Feather.

http://www.proguns.com/springfieldarmory-m25whitefeather.asp
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nQ7ZkXOTctE/TCnmZTFlIVI/AAAAAAAAEsk/0OtDCY4iXlU/s1600/200803201520_Springfield-M25-White-Feather%5B1%5D.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nQ7ZkXOTctE/TCnmZBe_NrI/AAAAAAAAEsc/ZH0QajaF4ZU/s1600/M25.JPG+editado.jpg

(In case you didn't know already, my user name is based off the man the rifle is named after.)

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-06-2012, 01:23 PM

Congrats on getting the Savage, they make probably the best .22 out there, at least for a reasonable price.

If I were to do the M1A/M14 route I'd have to find a USGI parts kit I think, I'd maybe go the Norinco route as they are at least reasonably priced, and have a nato chamber to boot.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-06-2012, 03:40 PM

Thanks. I'm really excited about it. Plus I got it for $20 less than I had planned, and it came with a free scope. It isn't very good, but it's still free. The only problem I'm having is I don't know if I'll be able to hit the range any time soon. :(

As far as parts kits, I wouldn't trust myself to build one. I was entertaining the idea of gunsmith school however, seeing as I have very little idea what I want to do with my life (I need a back up plan in case the military doesn't work out).

ALS

02-06-2012, 04:15 PM

When I bought the SASS I had a choice of a White Feather or the SASS and I choose the SASS. The guy that traded them in that morning had some money problems due to gambling at the local slots casino. Lucky me that day. :D. Both of the guns had maybe one or two boxes of shells through them at the most. The shop owner said if took the SASS right then and now, $2900 out the door.

To buy it new with everything this guy had on it would have cost me $4,800 with sales tax. The only reason I didn't consider the White Feather was due to already having the Super Match and a U.S.M.C. custom built match M1A, that is all U.S.G.I. National Match internals. The barrel is a custom Gene Barnett unit that is stamped U.S.M.C. Match. The guy who built it for me is an U.S.M.C. MOS 2112 Armorer. This gun 25 or 30 years ago would have been a competition weapon for the Marine Corps Shooting Team at the Camp Perry National Match's.

I'll give some advice on that M1A to save you some real grief and money in the long run. Spend the money to do it right the first time. If it takes you five years to get everything together that's better then getting cheap and having to tear the gun down a few years later to do it right.

What I mean is this too many guys want a M1A and go with a cheap version or build one with what ever they can find parts wise. The difference between a $2,000 M1A and a $3,500 plus is the $3,500 plus M1A with shoot MOA or less with quality factory ammunition and the $2,000 or less M1A is a 2 to 2.5 or worse MOA weapon. You can have a shooter or you can have a Match quality gun.

I use to occasionally shoot DCM'S back in the mid-late eighties locally. Everyone of these match's that I shot I would win. The reason I won so much wasn't that I was that good it was because I had the best ammunition and a Super Match. I had the 1 MOA or less gun and used match quality hand loads. My competitors were using cheap surplus ammunition, GI Grade M1's and M1A's, or they were parts guns they put together at the kitchen table.

1. Buy a quality receiver such as LRB, Armscorp, Smith Enterprises or Springfield Armory. The LRB and Smith are probably the best of the four.
2. The best barrel for the money is a Krieger hands down.
3. Don't get cheap on the internals buy U.S.G.I. and stay far far away from the imported Chinese crap that's out there.
4. McMillan Stock.
5. Lastly find someone that knows their way around a M1A/M1 Garand before you let them build it for you. The local gunsmith down the street has no idea how to properly time this gun let alone bed it for accuracy.

A good Forum to ask any questions you may have on a M1A is http://m14forum.com/

WhiteFeather

02-06-2012, 09:06 PM

^The M1A is a long ways away for me. But I will take your advice on how to build it, when the time comes.

Just picked up my Savage about an hour ago. I really like the feel and size of it. It's a little bigger than some of the .22 rifles I shot, all the while remaining a nice compact size. It came with a crappy Tasco 4x scope; I might take it off and shoot with the iron sights, but I doubt I'll invest any money into an optic. I do have a spare red dot for a .22 someone gave me a while ago that I might consider putting on it, but we'll see.

I'm really excited to break it in, but, it'll have to wait a while. The club I am a member of is a couple of hours away (it's a long story why I go there), so I can't really go there whenever I want.

ALS

02-06-2012, 09:22 PM

I have an inexpensive Simmons 4X on my 9422 and it works really well.

WhiteFeather

02-07-2012, 03:14 PM

When I go to the range, I'll see how it works. If it works out, I'll leave it on. If not, I'll just use the iron sights.

This scope is almost (if not) the same as a $20 one from Wal-Mart that I have on an old Crosman pellet rifle.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-07-2012, 08:04 PM

This group was shot from a Winchester model 1892 Lever Action chambered in .357 magnum at 100 yards. Loading is 158 gr. Speer Gold Dot over a 15 gr. of H110.

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/395752_2957073379241_1633681271_2522006_785265545_ a.jpg

just a used to be milk jug I shot with it

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/425942_2957210702674_1633681271_2522040_1933222878 _n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-08-2012, 08:57 AM

^ Very nice. I haven't shot my 94 in a while, now I really want to. Hopefully, I can plan a day off and drive out there.

Thought this was a cool video:

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They had a Uberti Cattleman at Gander for $380. I wanted to get it really bad, the law says otherwise...

Only 1 year, 2 months to go... :(

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-08-2012, 09:06 AM

Uberti makes a pretty nice reproduction of the Colt SAS. I don't like the copy they did of the Lightning and Thunderer though for Cimarron, as they were actually double action revolvers. Billy the Kid used a double action Thunderer in .41.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-08-2012, 09:17 AM

I'm really looking for a Uberti Army or Navy Conversion or a Cimarron Man with No Name Conversion, but have not seen one in person to date. But once again, this is all on hold for another year.

If you can't tell, I'm really pissed about the age requirement to own handguns. I really enjoy shooting of any kind, but I find pistols to be the most fun.

What confuses me is that technically, I can buy a .50 rifle, but not a .22 pistol. I know it is about concealability, but it's still kinda funny.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-08-2012, 09:26 AM

yup it's a messed up system, fwiw though any dealer that carries Uberti or Cimarron can get you those revolvers. I'm thinking Uberti made the man with no name conversion for Cimarron, but I'm not positive. I know the two companies often times work closely together.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-08-2012, 09:35 AM

http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Conversions/ManNo%20NameConv.htm

I like it better without the snake grips, though.

When the time comes, I'd rather hold it before I buy it. I don't want to order it, then get it only for it to be totally uncomfortable to me.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-08-2012, 09:46 AM

yup it's nice to be able to have it in your hand before acquiring it.

Regards,

Jung

ALS

02-08-2012, 12:27 PM

Each bullet is $40 each and weighs in at 2400 grains. :2_thumbs:

BTW a .50 BMG bullet weighs in at 710 grains.

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jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-08-2012, 12:31 PM

xD those .950s are a beast, but I'm thinking the Anzio .20mm has it beat balistically anyway. Both much more bullet than I care to shoot though.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-08-2012, 12:39 PM

Holy. Crap. :blink:

I wish I had the money to be able to afford $40 a shot...

At that point, I have to ask, "Why?"

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-08-2012, 04:31 PM

for those interested... http://www.facebook.com/events/149318595186552/

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-08-2012, 06:41 PM

for those interested... http://www.facebook.com/events/149318595186552/

Regards,

Jung

I am intrigued. If I am able to go to the range in time, I'll do it. Since I don't have a Facebook, should I just post a picture here?

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-08-2012, 06:58 PM

That would be fine I can move it on over to there if you like. still deciding on what I'll shoot it with xD leaning towards the C93, don't have much trigger time on that one.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-08-2012, 07:05 PM

I may try my hand with the SIG, but depending on how the Savage shoots, I may go with that. The Weatherby also shoots really good at 100, so that too is an option. I may just have to settle it with a coin toss. :D

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-08-2012, 07:10 PM

I know I'd do just fine with my Remington 700 or the Savage 110, but I'm thinking of using something I don't shoot much, an MIlitary Surplus style rifle too xD. May settle on the PTR though lol we will see.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-12-2012, 08:52 AM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-12-2012, 11:01 PM

So, I decided on the detachable magazine trigger guard conversion for my Weatherby. I grew more attached to the idea, and ultimately decided on it. Don't need it, but like the bayonet, I wanted it. It should arrive soon. Hopefully within the next few days, as I have them off work and will have time to install them. Shouldn't take long, but I will at least be more awake.

I also looked into the MWNN conversion, and you were right. It is manufactured by Uberti, but sold by Cimarron I believe. What I don't get is why it isn't even featured on Uberti's website (unless I'm just stupid and can't find it.)

A detachable magazine is nice some times, although none of my bolt actions have one :P

I think it's simply cause Cimarron contracted them to build it. It's a lot like you won't see the PPK on Smith and Wessons site and they are the ones who make them for Walther right now, or at least parts of it. Don't see Colts .22 AR on Umarex's site either and they build it for colt, same as the G22 and P22 have the Walther name but are built by Umarex. Granted Umarex owns Walther.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-13-2012, 01:41 PM

As I said earlier, I'm new to reloading. I understand the basics and generally have no problems. However, there are a few problems that I've had. First the shell holder leaves the shell a little wobbly when in use. A friend who reloads .308 said that it should be snug, which mine is not. I got the shell holder as listed on the package of the die sets, so it isn't the wrong one. I have some pieces of paper in there as a temporary fix. Is it supposed to be like this?

Secondly on occasion, when bedding the bullet, it will get stuck in the die and split the bullet down the middle.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/IMG_00281.jpg

I don't know if you can tell by the picture. (I should probably invest in a better camera...)

I have to hold the bullet in place to the top, but I'm not sure if that is how it is supposed to happen.

Any advice?

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-13-2012, 04:57 PM

Most of my shell holders have slight play in them not wobbly but a slight play. If they are wobbly try another shell holder. Which brand holder is it BTW?

In that picture it appears that it crumpled the case, in turn jamming it into the die I've had this happen once it was cause the bullet tipped over. It does appear like yours may have tipped over and caught on the side of the dies, as it appears like it is seated a little deep, the picture may be decieving however :p. Are you deburring and chamfering? also is it a flat base or a boat-tail? I've never had much problems seating boat-tails, but on smaller diameter bullets like the .224s I have issues with flat-base bullets on occassion. What brand dies are you using too?

Don't let these bumps discourage you either, once you get rolling you'll thoroughly enjoy this hobby.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-13-2012, 05:18 PM

All of my gear is RCBS.

The shell holder isn't wobbly so that it is falling out, but there is enough play in them that it can leave it slightly off center. I think that is one of the problems with the bullet is that it is slightly off center and catching the edge of the die.

I am deburring and chamfering. And the bullets are boatailed.

A buddy said that it is much easier to reload .308's. I plan on starting, I just never picked up the die sets. I probably should soon. Also need to pick up a .30-30.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-13-2012, 06:41 PM

I take it that is .223 then? I've had a couple of them crumple on me, usually flat base bullets though. I have to ride the flat base bullets up often times in bottle neck cases like you said you are having to do, but I've never had a problem with boat-tails tipping over. Are you possibly pulling the casing out slightly after you push it in the shell holder? The casing should slide in easy so this is possible, I've caught myself nearly doing it when I do large amounts of 9mm. Maybe if you turn the shell holder and you notice that the bullet catches on a different part of the die as you rotate the shell holder it could then definitely be off center. In which case I'd get a new shell holder, and I know RCBS would replace it if you sent it to them and there is a problem. Do you have issues with the casings going into the sizing die at all? I haven't noticed much of a difference in either the Lee or the RCBS shell holders either, so there is another option in brands. Reloading equipment is one of the few things where brands equipment is fairly interchangable. Most Dies are of the 7/8 thread and shell holders swap out, outside of the Lee autoprime shell holders. On a side I find that the autoprime is a must for small primers myself, the RCBS hand priming system just doesn't seem to work so well with small primers. I only use a hand priming system too, gives you a little feel.

I will definitely agree with you buddy that .308 is much easier to load for, In fact the only to cases I've had significant problems with are .22-250 and .223, and this is just with flat base bullets wanting to tip over. I did smash in the neck on one .308 though, and that was cause I slightly slid the case out of the shell holder when I let go of it. I don't do much loading for anything under .30 cal. and I much prefer to load straight wall casings to be honest. Most of the dies for straight wall cartridges are made of Carbide, which eliminates the need for lube. There is always the extra step of flaring out the case mouth on straght wall cartridges though, but I don't have much of a problem with that.

I take it beings you only have RCBS, you have the Speer Manual that came with the press. Do you have any of the other reloading books? I'd highly reccomend the Lee book, it's full of a lot of good information. He does like to promote his own stuff in the book though. I'd also recommend the Hornady, Nosler, and Sierra books all of them have good information and load data. I'm sure there are plenty of other good books by bullet manufactures, I am highly awaiting the book that Berger is coming out with. Some of the books have rather nice Balistics charts to get you started to figure out what a load will most likely do. And most of them have a nice introduction write up about each cartridge. I also like to cross check between the books to double check powder charge weights are similar. They may be different do to bullet profiles, but they are generally in the same area. I just remember one particular load for the .300 Winchester Magnum, that was a little over pressured at the starting level.

As you can tell I rather like my reloading lol. It's an extremely addicting hobby, I could go on for hours on the subject.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-13-2012, 07:10 PM

:facepalm: Yeah, I forgot to mention it is a .223.

I think the problem is the shell will slightly slide out of place when I'm bringing it up. Another thing I've been trying to get the hang of is keeping the bullet straight on the shell as I'm bringing it up. I think I'm overcompensating and that is what is causing the shell to move.

I haven't had any problems with sizing them. Just bedding the bullet.

I may just need more practice. Problem is, I just ran out of bullets. I might go to Bass Pro tomorrow and pick up a few kinds. That might be a good time to get the die sets. Last time I was there, they were all out of .308. I'll also take a look at some of those books. Is there info in there that I couldn't find online?

And you are right about it being addicting. I started loading some rounds at about 9 this morning. When I looked at a clock, 3 hours had gone by and I didn't even know it. It's very relaxing too.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-14-2012, 01:12 AM

yeah I used to try to make sure the bullet was completely straight and ride it all the way up. I've found out that you just have to ease the lever up when seating bullets and make sure they are pretty close to centered. If you run into a hard spot that don't seem right bring the ram back down, and see what the issue is. boat-tails usually center themselve pretty good, flat base bullets like to tip over a little though. The exception is with straight walled cartridges where you flair the neck in a seperate step. In that case flat base bullets seat rather well.

I'm sure you can find all the info on the internet, but some of the information can be put up by anyone who is making their own load, I prefer to go with the company standards, and work from there. Hogden does have a nice data table on their site too if you use their's or IMR's powder. I just like to have the books at my reloading bench for reference. They also all have a nice how to on the whole reloading process, some of them have a different take on some steps and you can find one that works for you.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-17-2012, 02:47 PM

^ I'll probably look at picking up one of those books when I start reloading .308. Hopefully if I have time Sunday, I'll run to the store and pick up the supplies.

On a side note, I finally got my trigger guard conversion. It's going to take a little more work than I had thought. I have to make sure that the action is the correct distance from the magazine in order to correctly load the round into the chamber, so I'm going to need some shims to make sure they fit properly. They did come with some very detailed instructions, so I should be alright.

It's just going to take time. If it had come 1 day sooner, I would have been able to work on it on my day off... Oh well, what are you going to do?

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-17-2012, 07:07 PM

This is a rather good site for reloading data using Hodgdon and IMR powders too. yeah the trigger guard should be rather simple a little trouble shooting is all.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-20-2012, 04:20 AM

Finally got a .308 die set today. Got the last one, but they were all out of .30-30. They also had a pretty dismal bullet selection. They had no 75 gr .224 so I got some Hornady V-Max 80gr instead. We'll see how that works in it. They also had no books on reloading except for 1 shot shell guide.

For my first load of .308, I got 168gr Sierra Matchking. I'm going to use some old Remington brass I shot already, and I'll load that up with the Varget. For the next batch, I may try a little heavier bullet weight.

I did notice that they got a shipment of Hornady Steel-Match 75gr .223, which they never had before. Usually the highest grain I saw there was 55. I was going to buy it, but I already have some handloads, plus I got a big ammo box of 62 gr Federal a while back.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-20-2012, 08:08 AM

I believe the Weatherby has a 1-12 twist rate, so the Heavy bullets are hard to stablize. Can always see what will happen though, some rifles shoot a certain bullet better than others xD. One of the best bullets you can get is a 155 scenar, if you can find them anyway :p. I have rather good luck running 150 SST's in my PTR and Cetme, which I'll happily use for hunting. Those two only get 150 gr. bullets loaded close to mil-spec loading. The Remington seems to like the 168 gr. Bergers or A-max.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-20-2012, 09:43 AM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-20-2012, 08:35 PM

I was looking around the internet, and some people had good luck with 175 grains through a 1-12. I don't think I'd go higher than that. When I first got my Weatherby, all I shot it with was 150gr Remington Core-Lokt. The pattern was decent, but I want to get it tighter.

I'd do more experimenting if I had a range to go to that's closer by, but with the amount of times I can actually get out to the range, it gets difficult.

Actually, there's a slight chance me and a friend will go tomorrow. It all depends on his schedule though. If we do, I'll make sure to get that target posted on here.

175 is the heaviest I'd go too, I've tried 180s but I guess they will probably sit on the shelf for quite some time now, or until I decide the .300 win mag can shoot something other than 230 gr. again xD.

That is what's nice about having a 100 yard range in my back yard lol. Comes in handy for testing my handloads and working something up. go straight from the bench to the tumbler into the rifle and down range. it's a thing of beauty.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-20-2012, 08:42 PM

That is what's nice about having a 100 yard range in my back yard lol. Comes in handy for testing my handloads and working something up. go straight from the bench to the tumbler into the rifle and down range. it's a thing of beauty.

When I'm going to buy my first house, that's going to be one of the criteria: A "backyard shooting range." I can only imagine how great that must be... :(

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-20-2012, 10:42 PM

It is quite handy specially for loading I can leave everything set up and test, come back in load a couple more, test and so forth

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-21-2012, 06:49 PM

Hey TDA, since you like scopes on pistols so much:

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o356/snakeman_21/guns/360445731.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o356/snakeman_21/guns/1193698209796-11.jpg

:D

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-21-2012, 06:58 PM

That bottom one is not a derringer, false advertisement xD

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-21-2012, 08:08 PM

Looks like a .22 mag, not a .22 lr. But I'm no expert on these. (I don't care for .22 revolvers.)

http://www.northamericanarms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/600x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/-/m-tw_1.jpg

Personally, I don't see the point of those. They're fun little trinkets that I wouldn't trust my life to. In a high stress situation, I don't think the person would be able to get a grip on it.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-21-2012, 11:34 PM

I believe they come with a cylinder for both, I don't know that I'd buy one either simply cause my J-Frame carries so well, and is a .38 special xD. modern rimfires don't seem to have the quality control of the old days unless you spend some good cash for them. Remington subsonics is about the best bang for the buck I've found either that or anything from CCI. never had a round not fire from those lines, Remingtons cheaper stuff sucks though.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-21-2012, 11:44 PM

In my searches for the right ammo to use with my Savage, a lot of people said that CCI Mini-Mags work the best (which is currently in my ammo box). The problem is they're around $6 per 100, whereas I can get 550 Remington at Wal-Mart for $15. I may buy that and see how they work through mine, but some people haven't got the best results with them.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-21-2012, 11:56 PM

the biggest problem is in the priming, a lot of the bulk packs tend to have duds in them. often time if you turn the round in the chamber it'll fire. Rim fire priming is quite different from centerfire, and often times in the cheap stuff the priming compound just gets on one side of the casing in the cheap stuff. The best cheap stuff is the CCI Blazer I've fired a couple thousand rounds without a single dud.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-22-2012, 12:04 AM

Wal-Mart does have some CCI there. I'll check if they have any of that tomorrow.

As far as .22's go, does bullet weight play as a significant part as it does in larger bore rifles?

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-22-2012, 12:13 AM

sometimes typically it don't matter unless you step up to a 60 gr. subsonic, many barrels won't stablize it. Otherwise you're pretty good to go.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

02-22-2012, 12:18 AM

That's good. The last store I went to didn't have Mini-Mags, but had a bunch of other CCI that had different weights. I didn't know if that would play a big role or not, so I guess I'll just have to experiment.

That's what I like already about .22's. I can buy 5 different types of ammo, but still not pay more than 50 bucks.

ALS

02-22-2012, 04:56 PM

WhiteFeather

02-22-2012, 05:19 PM

I run 168 gn Sierra Match Kings with my M1A's. The 308 bolt actions are all loaded with 175 gn SMK's chronographed at 2650 fps.

The 300 Win Mag gets 190 gn SMK and set at 2900 fps. I've tried different loads with the 300 WinMag and 2900 fps gets me the best accuracy with the 190's. Now that is at 400 and out to 1,000 plus yards. On the other hand it is a tack driver at 100-300 yards with SMK 155 Palma's.

I haven't tried the 155's in the 308's yet.

The .308 Bolt Action 175 gn load is as follow.

Winchester Case
Federal 210 Primer
IMR 4064 power 42.2 grains
175 SMK
OAL Based on Chamber 2.78"

The .308 M1A's Load

Winchester case
Federal 210 Primer
IMR 4064 powder 42.0 grains
168 SMK
OAL 2.79

300 Winchester Magnum

Federal Case
Federal 215 Primer
71.5 grains of RE 22 Powder
Sierra 190 gn SMK
OAL 3.378

If your hand loading a Stoney Point Chamber Gauge is good investment.
Adjusting bullet seating is a must to control bullet jump to the lands.

The ranges I actually am able to shoot is at a max of 200yds. The only other places that offer anything further (a max of 600yds around here) are a good $300+ membership, plus time investments. Which I cannot do.

Anyways, is measuring the velocities really important at these ranges (100-200)? Because first, I'm just starting off, so I have no chronograph, and secondly, I'm still learning the basics of loading.

Also the chamber gauge, how necessary is it? Am I able to do without it?

jung_adore_ALIZEE

02-22-2012, 07:01 PM

Anyways, is measuring the velocities really important at these ranges (100-200)? Because first, I'm just starting off, so I have no chronograph, and secondly, I'm still learning the basics of loading.

I myself simply go for the most accurate loading, and then figure out my own trejectory by taking the shots at different distances and so forth.

Regards,

Jung

ALS

02-23-2012, 07:41 PM

WhiteFeather

02-23-2012, 08:11 PM

I've been using Sierra Reloading manuals and Software for over 30 years.

I can tell you one thing if you load to their recommend Accuracy load it will get you to 90-95% of maximum accuracy.

When you get as anal as I am then it can get out of hand to all the reloading toys that can be had to maximize the accuracy.

Basic needs on top of a press are a good set of stainless steel calipers, a basic balance scale, case trimmer, case de-burrer, primer pocket cleaner, and a vibrating case cleaner, inertia (Looks like a hammer) bullet puller, and lastly a reloading manual.

If you want to go crazy then go look on
Sinclair Internationals (http://www.sinclairintl.com/) Web Site

I already have most the basics. I got an RCBS Partner Press Reloading kit. Plus added some small things to that like a powder trickler, calipers, and a digital scale (I mentioned earlier on this thread that I cannot stand the one that came with it. Took me forever to zero it, and then even longer to measure out the powder correctly) . For the case cleaner, I just put the shells in a little rubbermaid container with the cleaner and shake it around. Then wash it with warm water.

WhiteFeather

03-07-2012, 08:19 AM

Went to the range yesterday. Weather was amazing (got up to 68 degrees) albeit very very windy, and we had it all to ourselves (although I have not met one rude or disrespectful person there). Brought my Sig, Weatherby and the new Savage. Of the three, my Sig was shooting the best. I was unable to bring any handloaded .308 (I ended up losing a spring on the press for the primer as I was changing them out to load the large rifle primers (but I did end up finding it after I got back...)), but I did have my .223 handloads, plus some 62 gr 5.56 I wanted to test through it. The Savage was pretty accurate but the sights are a little off. I'll have to see if I can adjust them later. I also ended up taking the scope off as I wasn't even hitting the target, or the target holder.

As for that contest, I totally forgot about it and was shooting in 3 shot groups (as I normally do), so they don't qualify for that, but it was still probably the best I ever shot with my Sig.

This is with 62 gr Federal I picked up at Gander Mountain at 100 yds, sitting with a bipod and a 1-4x Nikon scope. (plus a pretty wicked wind, as in it threw my hardcover case on to the range...)

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/P1060847.jpg

The shots on the outer rim of the target was me adjusting the scope, as I had it set for the 75 gr earlier.

This is 75 gr Hornady Match BTHP with 24.7 gr of Hogdon Varget, same conditions as above.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/P1060845.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/P1060846.jpg

(I was a little off on the bottom right corner, and I threw one of the shots)

Next time, I got some 80 gr Hornady A-max I'm going to try out, though I definitely will pick up some more 75's. I also got 168gr Sierra Match King's for the .308, and I might pick up some 175 to run through it as well.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

03-07-2012, 11:08 PM

Those are very respectable groupings out of a battle rifle. As for sighting in the scope did you run out of windage and elevation or just weren't on paper at all? I usually start at 25 when sighting in a scope even if it was bore sighted. Can get the windage close than and the elevation in the right area. Good shooting though bud.

Have you thought about a hand priming mechanism? I rather prefer to use them over the press one.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

03-08-2012, 11:05 AM

It was to the point where I wasn't even hitting the paper, or target or anywhere near where I could tell where I was hitting. I was also sighting (at least trying to) it in at 100, though, so next time I might put it back on and head down to the short range.

As for the primer press spring, I did end up finding it... about 10 minutes before I left for the range. It ended up bouncing up and landed on my ammo box, which I discovered as I was going to take the ammo out of the box. I did consider a hand priming tool, but since I found the spring, I'm probably going to wait on that.

Taxi Driver Aaron

03-10-2012, 10:00 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/64002_244616595632851_213828875378290_506776_16503 40834_n.jpg

Edit:

WF... Not all of the shots were kill shots... but they are pretty damn good for the range and winds! The type of ammo you were using is better for defense though, not for shooting at anything live from 100 yards... I suppose it's good for recreation though. But, depending on the type of game you were going after you wouldn't kill anything from that range unless they sat still enough for you to quickly group in 5 shots... unless if you could hit a coyote a couple times from that range I'd be impressed... or a rabbit... in windy conditions... I'd be damn impressed.

WhiteFeather

03-12-2012, 04:38 AM

WF... Not all of the shots were kill shots... but they are pretty damn good for the range and winds! The type of ammo you were using is better for defense though, not for shooting at anything live from 100 yards... I suppose it's good for recreation though. But, depending on the type of game you were going after you wouldn't kill anything from that range unless they sat still enough for you to quickly group in 5 shots... unless if you could hit a coyote a couple times from that range I'd be impressed... or a rabbit... in windy conditions... I'd be damn impressed.

I'd say they were all kill shots on a man sized target, if not at least a hit in center mass. I usually shoot off that basis, but the range I go to doesn't allow man shaped targets, so we shoot at whatever, but I'd say those were all definitely center mass hits, if not kill shots.

As for coyotes, I believe I read somewhere the kill zone is the size of your palm, in which all of the second target would have hit, and most of the first would have. But, I've never been hunting, so I cannot say for sure about that.

I'm actually going again on Tuesday, so I'll make sure to shoot in 5 shot groups this time. :o

Now, the question is, what guns to bring... :13:

WhiteFeather

04-06-2012, 10:16 PM

Totally forgot to post the results from that trip. They were subpar anyways, 80 gr's don't run well through the Sig. Plus, I had to load them one at a time into the chamber. The 168's were shooting pretty well, although there was always one stray shot in my most of groupings. If not for those, I'd say it was shooting sub-MOA.

Anyways, I've decided an M1 Carbine is going to be the next gun I buy. There's a gun store by the range I go to that has one for around $650.

http://www.fairfieldcollectibles.com/images/10148gw_hero.jpg

They're so much fun...

WhiteFeather

04-19-2012, 09:02 PM

Anyways, I've decided an M1 Carbine is going to be the next gun I buy. There's a gun store by the range I go to that has one for around $650.

Well, I lied... I just could not pass this up.

My new rifle, which fulfilled one of my childhood dreams:

A 1944 Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.1 in .303 British, of course.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/IMG_0044.jpg

They say that these have the smoothest action of most if not all bolt action rifles... I can attest to that. Plus it shoots like a dream. I didn't get to shoot it a whole lot, since ammo is ridiculously expensive and limited around here. But what I did, it was pretty durn accurate for a 70 year old gun. That being said, it <strike>probably</strike> shoots better than I do.

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-01-2012, 07:13 PM

I have purchased three new guns... I am working on my 4th but it is a simple Glock 19 9MM for a backup gun ... reason why I want the glock 19 is because I need a new carry gun, and I think it will compliment one of my new guns as far as magazine compatibility!

All of my purchases were made online to avoid paying state gun purchase taxes so I don't have any of the guns in my possession yet.. I am still waiting for delivery... the anticipation is killing me!!!!

... anyway.. look what I got!

1911 Colt Gold Cup Trophy, .45 ACP
http://www.coltsmfg.com/Portals/0/productimages/2011/O5070X.png

Kel-Tec Sub 2k 9MM (I plan to majorly upgrade this baby when it arrives, oh and it takes Glock 19 9MM magazines)...
http://www.survival-spot.com/survival-blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/kel_su2000.jpg

And of course... the Kel-Tec KSG Shotgun (I can't wait to try the new dragon breathe ammo with this thing!!!)
http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ksg-tfb.jpg

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-28-2012, 09:18 PM

bump.... this thread is dying ... :(

Edit:

Hey TDA, since you like scopes on pistols so much:

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o356/snakeman_21/guns/360445731.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o356/snakeman_21/guns/1193698209796-11.jpg

:D

You're killin' me whitefeather!... you're killin me!...

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/holly-ellenbogen-stop-sign.gif

BrianO1

07-28-2012, 09:34 PM

Psh...guns are lame. :no:

I just keeding! I had a .22, but it was a tad boring to shoot. Everyone around me was like..."KERBOOM KERBOOM" then I shot and it was like..."pew pew".

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-28-2012, 09:39 PM

Psh...guns are lame. :no:

I just keeding! I had a .22, but it was a tad boring to shoot. Everyone around me was like..."KERBOOM KERBOOM" then I shot and it was like..."pew pew".

LMAO!... 22's are like bb guns ... but I still like 'em! I LOVE 9MM's and .45's though!... and the .223 for the AK ...

I'm tellin ya... the hardest part about a zombie apocalypse will be pretending I'm not excited! lol!...

WhiteFeather

07-28-2012, 09:54 PM

Not a huge fan of the aesthetics of Kel-Tec guns. Something about them just seems...weird.

I may be in the process of acquiring a SIG P226 within the coming months/weeks. I'm just saving up for it now. I also started reloading .303, since I got tired of spending close to $35 per box of 20. That rifle's even more accurate now.

And punks, don't be knockin' .22's. They're awesome.

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-28-2012, 10:06 PM

I never had a thing for Sigs... some people like Sigs and the XDs ... I like the Colts, Glocks, and Smith & Wessons...

Glocks for 9MM though as a back up carry.

Kel-Tec does look kinda "mickey mouse" when it's naked... but with the upgrades it's bad ass... plus at $300 it's affordable!!!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6QbbH2IiQ65iKIJD15VCEqCb-4y5UMNMDa8IbuhzHXlkey63TlrWqaw9HWg

well with the upgrades it's pushing more like $800 but the gun naked is $300 ..

I also want to get a Saiga 12 shotgun!.... belt loaded would be bad ass!!
http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_12/large/saiga-12_belt_400.jpg

but that's illegal... I'll have to settle for the 20 round drums... before another massacre causes the nation to ban those too!
http://www.alliancearmament.com/images/products/detail/GreyDuracoat.jpg

WhiteFeather

07-28-2012, 10:10 PM

I think Saiga's are overrated.

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-28-2012, 10:20 PM

I think Saiga's are overrated.

whaaaaaaaat!!!!

WhiteFeather

07-28-2012, 10:30 PM

AK that's shoots 12 ga. Big frickin' whoop.

My Remington 870 does the same thing, only with a pump. And I personally like the sound of the pump. It's rather intimidating.

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-28-2012, 10:36 PM

AK that's shoots 12 ga. Big frickin' whoop.

My Remington 870 does the same thing, only with a pump. And I personally like the sound of the pump. It's rather intimidating.

I like the semi-auto without the pump... no warning pumps from me! :D

BrianO1

07-28-2012, 10:53 PM

I may be in the process of acquiring a SIG P226 within the coming months/weeks.

psh....copy cat.

WhiteFeather

07-28-2012, 10:58 PM

I like the semi-auto without the pump... no warning pumps from me! :D

Saves ammo. Don't need to shoot them if they're too busy running away scared.

psh....copy cat.

I've been waiting for years, so take that and shove it. Just because you got one on a whim... Jeez...

Pics or you don't have one. :p

BrianO1

07-28-2012, 11:02 PM

That gun chose ME Farnsworth. It was destiny.

And here is a pic, to get you off my back.

:gun3:

WhiteFeather

07-28-2012, 11:05 PM

I think you are just making it up.

You really don't have one. You just saw the first gun at the store and decided that's the one you "have".

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-28-2012, 11:13 PM

Saves ammo. Don't need to shoot them if they're too busy running away scared.

You should go with the Kel-Tec KSG then! ... it is also pump action

WhiteFeather

07-28-2012, 11:20 PM

You should go with the Kel-Tec KSG then! ... it is also pump action

Already have a shotgun. Besides, the Remington 870's a classic. The KSG is just..."tacticool". Not really my cup o' tea.

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-28-2012, 11:26 PM

Already have a shotgun. Besides, the Remington 870's a classic. The KSG is just..."tacticool". Not really my cup o' tea.

okay... cool cool... don't tase me bro!... I was just thinking you were stuck on American brands that's all....

I like the Kel-Tec KSG now that it has all the bugs taken out.. when it first came out it was "tacticool" .. no doubt. but then they fixed the problems so it is not only "tacticool" but it functions well too... Remington 870 isn't bad either... my local police uses those... lol ...

But the AK-47 Style Russian Saiga-12 ... man!... that's the love of my life right there!...

WhiteFeather

07-28-2012, 11:35 PM

I'm deeply in love with my SMLE at the moment. Even if it isn't American made.

But I have to say, my real true love is an M1A with a walnut stock. Basically the civvie version of the M14.

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-28-2012, 11:43 PM

I'm deeply in love with my SMLE at the moment. Even if it isn't American made.

But I have to say, my real true love is an M1A with a walnut stock. Basically the civvie version of the M14.

I'll go along with the M1A ... I have to take your word for it though, I never shot it... but Springfield Armory is not a bad brand.

WhiteFeather

07-28-2012, 11:47 PM

I'll go along with the M1A ... I have to take your word for it though, I never shot it... but Springfield Armory is not a bad brand.

Neither have I. I just want one. And I'd get one if they weren't so frickin' expensive... I have not heard one bad thing about them though, so I know they're worth the money. It's the having money part that is the problem.

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-29-2012, 12:15 AM

Neither have I. I just want one. And I'd get one if they weren't so frickin' expensive... I have not heard one bad thing about them though, so I know they're worth the money. It's the having money part that is the problem.

layaway!!! ever day!!!

WhiteFeather

07-29-2012, 09:56 AM

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-29-2012, 10:39 AM

I'm more of an everything-up-front-and-paid-for kinda guy. That's how I bought my first vehicle too.

No, right now I'm saving up for that Sig, then after that I plan on cooling down on gun buying. Unless there is a deal I just cannot pass up.

Although I have been looking into .357's and .44 magnums... The problem is finding someone local that is selling one. I can't get one at a store or anywhere that requires an FFL because I'm not 21 yet.

Stupid laws...

Buying local means you have to pay local taxes which is like 10% ... no matter what state you are in. Which is why I like to purchase my guns online. Pretty much everyone I know buys their guns online, they even encourage it at the range. I don't think you have to be 21 though, just 18. And you can have the gun delivered to your local gun range which is an FFL so that takes care of that too!

WhiteFeather

07-29-2012, 11:11 AM

I believe there is a misunderstanding. Local as in "some guy who wants to get rid of his handgun and isn't going through a store to sell it". In those cases, you only have to be 18 to buy it (and have a FOID because of Communist Illinois). But if you want to purchase any handgun through a store or online that requires it to go through an FFL, you have to be 21.

I haven't seen any revolvers, but there is the Sig I might get. Assuming he doesn't sell it before I have enough.

Trust me, I've spent many an hour fuming at the laws.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

07-29-2012, 12:48 PM

I also want to get a Saiga 12 shotgun!.... belt loaded would be bad ass!!
http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_12/large/saiga-12_belt_400.jpg

but that's illegal... I'll have to settle for the 20 round drums... before another massacre causes the nation to ban those too!
http://www.alliancearmament.com/images/products/detail/GreyDuracoat.jpg

Belt fed is not illegal however there is no conversion to make the saiga belt fed, they simply put the belt of 12 gauge shells in the ejection port.

I'm deeply in love with my SMLE at the moment. Even if it isn't American made.

But I have to say, my real true love is an M1A with a walnut stock. Basically the civvie version of the M14.

The SMLE is a good rifle and one of the fastest bolt actions available. You may be surprised about its origin though, many enfields were made in the US and Canada during the war, and few were made in Britain at that time. I would check the markings to see where it is from

Although I have been looking into .357's and .44 magnums... The problem is finding someone local that is selling one. I can't get one at a store or anywhere that requires an FFL because I'm not 21 yet.

Stupid laws...

Can't go wrong with the wheel guns.

Buying local means you have to pay local taxes which is like 10% ... no matter what state you are in. Which is why I like to purchase my guns online. Pretty much everyone I know buys their guns online, they even encourage it at the range. I don't think you have to be 21 though, just 18. And you can have the gun delivered to your local gun range which is an FFL so that takes care of that too!

If its transferred to an FFL you have to be 21 I believe that is on the federal level, if buying private age isn't such an issue in most states.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

07-29-2012, 02:24 PM

The SMLE is a good rifle and one of the fastest bolt actions available. You may be surprised about its origin though, many enfields were made in the US and Canada during the war, and few were made in Britain at that time. I would check the markings to see where it is from

I did look into the markings.

From what I can gather, it was manufactured in 1944 at the ROF Maltby plant in England. But it was then taken to Fazakerly Arsenal in 1947 and refurbished.

I'm not 100% if that's right, but I'm fairly confident it is British made.

And I love the action on this thing. The one problem I have is it is so smooth, I shoot faster than I would like. :D

Can't go wrong with the wheel guns.

Tell me about it. My friend just got a Uberti Cattleman .45 LC. That is one fine firearm right there. I'm pretty jealous.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

07-29-2012, 02:35 PM

BrianO1

07-29-2012, 02:38 PM

I'm making a list of every gun Whitefeather wants, and I'm gonna go buy um, just to shoot um before he does. :p

I think I'm taking my Sig to the range in the next few days. Woohoo!

WhiteFeather

07-29-2012, 02:42 PM

Be careful of surplus .303 too, much of it used cordite powder and was poorly stored, so there are many case of hangfires. This is true of almost all of the surplus .303 in circulation. POF is one that is notorious of it.

Regards,

Jung

Thanks for the heads up, but I actually haven't been able to get my hands on any. The only kind I've seen was Remington UMC in stores.

I actually started reloading it. And based on the accuracy I've seen from them, I am not going back.

Edit:

I'm making a list of every gun Whitefeather wants, and I'm gonna go buy um, just to shoot um before he does. :p

A couple of weeks ago I made a list of guns I want to at some point acquire. It is going to take me a while...

(Note: this list will get longer throughout the years)
1. Mosin Nagant
2. M1 Carbine
3. M1 Garand
4. 1903A3 Springfield
5. AR-15
6. Winchester Model 70 .30-06
7. Ruger 10/22
8. MP5
9. M1A
10. PTR-91 (most recent addition)
11. SIG P226
12. 1911 (still undecided)
13. Colt SAA
14. Uberti 1858 New Army
15. S&W 629
16. Browning HiPower
17. .22 lr pistol (undecided)

Average guns per adult is about 4. I think I'll be a little over that... :D

Get cracking.

Oh and by the way, that list is longer now.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

07-29-2012, 02:49 PM

Thanks for the heads up, but I actually haven't been able to get my hands on any. The only kind I've seen was Remington UMC in stores.

I actually started reloading it. And based on the accuracy I've seen from them, I am not going back.

I'd suggest neck sizing only on the lee enfield as they have rather large chambers combined with the rear locking bolt you get a lot of case stretch and if you full length size you will not get many loads out of the brass. I think I got some federal brass for .303 brit laying around somewhere if you'd like it. You would want to full length size any brass fired from another gun naturally though.

Regards,

Jung

BrianO1

07-29-2012, 02:51 PM

I've fired a few of those. The Mosin was something special. The sound alone, shook the room. The muzzle flash was gorgeous. Big, bright, pretty much spit fire out after the round. It had a nice kick to it as well. Wasn't to bad to the point where it knocked you far off target at all. Felt great too. The bolt action on the one I fired was a bit tricky. Not the most responsive thing in the world, but that could have just been the one I fired.

I want a Garand sooooo bad. Never fired one.

And the Sig I own, wether you believe me or not. :p

WhiteFeather

07-29-2012, 02:55 PM

I'd suggest neck sizing only on the lee enfield as they have rather large chambers combined with the rear locking bolt you get a lot of case stretch and if you full length size you will not get many loads out of the brass. I think I got some federal brass for .303 brit laying around somewhere if you'd like it. You would want to full length size any brass fired from another gun naturally though.

Regards,

Jung

I didn't even consider that. I'll look into getting one of those, hopefully sooner rather than later.

As for the brass, you can never have too much of it. That'd be great if you're not using it.

And by having it, I assume you have/had a .303. What rifle?

Edit:

And the Sig I own, wether you believe me or not. :p

Pics or it didn't happen.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

07-29-2012, 03:00 PM

And by having it, I assume you have/had a .303. What rifle?

I had a lee enfield that had been sporterized prior to my ownership, I could never get it to group under 5" at 100 yards. So I sold it at a small profit.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

07-29-2012, 03:06 PM

Sporterized historic rifles kinda piss me off. I guess I'm just old-fashioned that way. It'd be like coloring the Statue of Liberty to make it look more "modern". It's just wrong.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

07-29-2012, 03:08 PM

Sporterized historic rifles kinda piss me off. I guess I'm just old-fashioned that way. It'd be like coloring the Statue of Liberty to make it look more "modern". It's just wrong.

I agree but at $100 with a $80 scope on it I was paying $20 for the rifle. Too bad it was beyond being refurbished back to its original state

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-29-2012, 03:12 PM

I'm making a list of every gun Whitefeather wants, and I'm gonna go buy um, just to shoot um before he does. :p

I think I'm taking my Sig to the range in the next few days. Woohoo!

And when you're done, maybe you can sell them to him! :))

Edit:

Sporterized historic rifles kinda piss me off. I guess I'm just old-fashioned that way. It'd be like coloring the Statue of Liberty to make it look more "modern". It's just wrong.

Hmm..... "coloring the statue of liberty to make it more modern"... I like it! :aha:

WhiteFeather

07-29-2012, 03:13 PM

I agree but at $100 with a $80 scope on it I was paying $20 for the rifle. Too bad it was beyond being refurbished back to its original state

Regards,

Jung

That's a pretty good deal. I'm sure I got jacked with mine, but I could not pass it up. Still, it's always a shame to see rifles being defiled like that. But what are you going to do?

Edit:

Hmm..... "coloring the statue of liberty to make it more modern"... I like it! :aha:

I will destroy you.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

07-29-2012, 03:25 PM

That's a pretty good deal. I'm sure I got jacked with mine, but I could not pass it up. Still, it's always a shame to see rifles being defiled like that. But what are you going to do?

Yeah sporterized firearms just drive up the cost of originals, it is what will happen to the mosin nagant next. So buy em now while they are cheap, and hopefully find em with no import markings either

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

07-29-2012, 03:28 PM

Belt fed is not illegal however there is no conversion to make the saiga belt fed, they simply put the belt of 12 gauge shells in the ejection port.
Jung

Oh I know they don't make them belt fed and that that one in the picture is not functional. But it would still be bad ass!... here is a belt fed 12 GA upper for an AR. I'd imagine it would look somewhat like that.

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If its transferred to an FFL you have to be 21 I believe that is on the federal level, if buying private age isn't such an issue in most states.

I didn't know that.. I never had that problem though because I'm over 21. :D

Edit:

That's a pretty good deal. I'm sure I got jacked with mine, but I could not pass it up. Still, it's always a shame to see rifles being defiled like that. But what are you going to do?

Edit:

I will destroy you.

Yeah... ??? look at me, I'm shaking in my little alizée shoes... :fear:

WhiteFeather

07-29-2012, 03:50 PM

Yeah... ??? look at me, I'm shaking in my little alizée shoes... :fear:

You better be, especially since I got me a Ma Deuce.

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Taxi Driver Aaron

07-29-2012, 04:27 PM

You better be, especially since I got me a Ma Deuce.

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Taxi Driver Aaron

08-11-2012, 06:30 PM

What Type of Ammo do you guys use?....

BrianO1

08-11-2012, 09:12 PM

Ok peeps.....two more days....and I may be adding the gun I have always wanted to my collection....everyone wish me luck!

jung_adore_ALIZEE

08-11-2012, 10:13 PM

What Type of Ammo do you guys use?....

Almost all handloads, still have lots of surplus for the 7.62x54 so they aren't handloads yet.

PTR and Cetme .308s get 150 gr. hornady sst or fmj
Remington .308 gets 168 gr. A-max or bergers
9mms get 115 or 124 gr fmj or XTP
.45s get 230 gr fmj or XTP
.357 4" gets 125 gr golden sabers or 158 xtp or gold dot or fmjs of either weight
.357 8" and lever action get either 158 gr. gold dots or 180 gr. XTP
.300 win mag gets 230 gr Bergers
.223 is either 65 gr speer soft points or 55 gr. fmj or v-max

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

08-11-2012, 10:26 PM

Almost all handloads, still have lots of surplus for the 7.62x54 so they aren't handloads yet.

PTR and Cetme .308s get 150 gr. hornady sst or fmj
Remington .308 gets 168 gr. A-max or bergers
9mms get 115 or 124 gr fmj or XTP
.45s get 230 gr fmj or XTP
.357 4" gets 125 gr golden sabers or 158 xtp or gold dot or fmjs of either weight
.357 8" and lever action get either 158 gr. gold dots or 180 gr. XTP
.300 win mag gets 230 gr Bergers
.223 is either 65 gr speer soft points or 55 gr. fmj or v-max

Regards,
Jung

I am shopping for some .45 acp today... My normal place to buy right now is out of stock and on back order. So.... I am trying to find another good place where ammo is on sale for $0.40 or less per round while staying away from the russian ammo, even though Tula's are the least expensive. I'm afraid of how dirty they might be... and I may not get my money's worth if they cause ftf or fte which would make my day at the range more of a chore than a joyful experience.

I been looking at brands such as Federal or American Eagle.. my local stores have expensive stuff which kind of forces me to look online. paying $1+ for FMJ is highway robbery... I can find defensive ammo for less.

.223's are hard to come by cheap locally as well. online they have buckets for cheap.. I suppose I'll just have to experiment with some brands.

WhiteFeather

08-12-2012, 03:38 AM

Taxi Driver Aaron

08-12-2012, 04:08 AM

-For 5.56 I use what the military does. M855 ball ammo. I also reload for the same rifle 75gr BTHP for more precision shooting.
-For .30-30, I use Federal 150gr, though I may start reloading that instead.
-.308 I load 168gr Sierra Match Kings
-.303 I load 174gr Hornady, but I also shoot Remington UMC if I didn't load any.
-.22 I shoot CCI Mini-Mags. I heard those run best through most semi-auto .22's especially mine.

If you really can't find cheap .223's near you (I don't know why that is as it's one of the more readily available round) just go to cheaperthandirt.com and buy it in bulk. They usually have some good deals going.

Plus there is always Wal-Mart. They usually have some decent ammo prices for decent ammo like Federal.

No, they have cheap .223's where I live... i just live so far away from town that it's an hour drive... I might as well just order off the internet... I only buy when I'm in town.

I've never used Hornady, but I've had some mixed reviews from friends that use it. Some love it and then others claim stories that I am still calling bullshit...

One friend said that his friend... (yes... now making it a friend of a friend story).. is a police officer and when the evidence came back from a shooting investigation, the defendant was using Hornady ammunition and they questioned whether or not he was shooting in self defense based on the type of ammunition he was carrying.

Like I said, though, I think the story is bullshit. I don't think that the brand is what matters, much more than the style of bullet. which could have been any brand. If the guy used a FMJ instead of a JHP and the prosecution could prove that he knew the difference and chose one over the other in hopes of making the person bleed out more... then I suppose there is a case... but I mean.. that is a really far-fetched story.. but my friends say that when it comes to a murder trial... the prosecution will do everything they can to use the type of ammunition you were carrying against you. And if you could have used a JHP but instead used a FMJ round and knew the difference... you could get into serious trouble. It's not likely... but it's still a possibility. I don't think it's anything to worry about... but it does make me wonder about the differences and the best ones to use.

WhiteFeather

08-12-2012, 04:30 AM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

08-13-2012, 09:01 AM

-.22 I shoot CCI Mini-Mags. I heard those run best through most semi-auto .22's especially mine.

CCI makes some of the best rimfire out there. I'm a bit of a fan of subsonics though as most of my .22 shooting is done with pistols and they tend to be more accurate with the subsonics. The Buckmark has yet to have a jam in the ten thousand plus rounds that have been through it from hyper velocity to subsonics. The Beretta Bobcat gets mini mags or stingers typically though, I do like the Augila too but they have gotten quite dirty over the past few years. Most brands subsonics are quite good as they put a little more time into them than their run of the mill bulk pakcs, CCI and Augila are the only brands that I've never had misfires with even with the Blazer line from CCI. For the cheap .22s you can't beat the Blazer line.

Regards,

Jung

user472884

08-13-2012, 09:56 PM

A quick question out of curiosity- do concealed carry licenses restrict you to carrying only one firearm? Or could you conceivably walk around with as many pistols as you could carry?

Taxi Driver Aaron

08-13-2012, 10:49 PM

For the record, I don't shoot Hornady ammunition, I use Hornady bullets in my handloads. Hornady is pretty darn expensive, and I'm not a rich man... :p

When I first got my 556, I was testing ammo and did try a few different kinds of Hornady ammo, but it wasn't anything spectacular.

As for that story, I think it sounds like BS. Then again, I think the whole legal system is, to put it lightly, quite flawed.

I think the story is BS, but in theory... it could happen. But I wouldn't let that worry me because it's far fetched...

CCI makes some of the best rimfire out there. I'm a bit of a fan of subsonics though as most of my .22 shooting is done with pistols and they tend to be more accurate with the subsonics. The Buckmark has yet to have a jam in the ten thousand plus rounds that have been through it from hyper velocity to subsonics. The Beretta Bobcat gets mini mags or stingers typically though, I do like the Augila too but they have gotten quite dirty over the past few years. Most brands subsonics are quite good as they put a little more time into them than their run of the mill bulk pakcs, CCI and Augila are the only brands that I've never had misfires with even with the Blazer line from CCI. For the cheap .22s you can't beat the Blazer line.

Regards,

Jung

Good info.. thanks.

A quick question out of curiosity- do concealed carry licenses restrict you to carrying only one firearm? Or could you conceivably walk around with as many pistols as you could carry?

Good question... There is no limit in AZ, where I live... as long as you can conceal them all... if a gust of wind blows a jacket open and somebody catches a glimpse of two 40's on should straps then they can call 911 on yo ass and claim they saw a "mad man waiving a gun in public" ... then you go to jail.

WhiteFeather

08-13-2012, 10:59 PM

CCI makes some of the best rimfire out there. I'm a bit of a fan of subsonics though as most of my .22 shooting is done with pistols and they tend to be more accurate with the subsonics. The Buckmark has yet to have a jam in the ten thousand plus rounds that have been through it from hyper velocity to subsonics. The Beretta Bobcat gets mini mags or stingers typically though, I do like the Augila too but they have gotten quite dirty over the past few years. Most brands subsonics are quite good as they put a little more time into them than their run of the mill bulk pakcs, CCI and Augila are the only brands that I've never had misfires with even with the Blazer line from CCI. For the cheap .22s you can't beat the Blazer line.

Regards,

Jung

I have not had any FTF's with the Mini-Mags. And I don't know if it is the rifle or ammo or both, but they are extremely accurate at 100 yds. I have also tried others like Blazer and Winchester M22, and they are okay. But I prefer the Mini-Mags. Plus I just bought 1600 rounds of it, so I'm set for a couple range trips. :D The Savage 64 is a pretty reliable rifle though. Haven't had many problems with it at all.

I did have some problems with the M-22 though. It wasn't with my rifle but a friend's Walther P22. What I didn't realize was it is meant for high capacity .22 AR-style rifles. So I'm assuming it was too hot for the pistol to handle.

After shooting maybe a couple hundred rounds through it, on one of my shots, it knocked the slide loose and jammed it up pretty good. Gas shot out all over me and scared the crap out of me. I was really lucky considering I just took off my glasses because they were fogging up, and the gas just missed my eyes...

Surprisingly, there was no damage to the gun itself. After we managed to get the slide off, a spring fell out. Couldn't find where it was supposed to go back it, but the gun actually functioned better without it.

A quick question out of curiosity- do concealed carry licenses restrict you to carrying only one firearm? Or could you conceivably walk around with as many pistols as you could carry?

I'm not 100%, but I think you can carry as many as you can conceal. I know some people have their primary in a waistband holster, but also have a small backup in their pocket.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

08-14-2012, 12:06 AM

A quick question out of curiosity- do concealed carry licenses restrict you to carrying only one firearm? Or could you conceivably walk around with as many pistols as you could carry?

Depends on the state, most states don't restrict but like New Jersey I believe you have to have a dedicated CCW pistol and have to qualify with it.

I did have some problems with the M-22 though. It wasn't with my rifle but a friend's Walther P22. What I didn't realize was it is meant for high capacity .22 AR-style rifles. So I'm assuming it was too hot for the pistol to handle.

The P22 is a very tempermetal firearm when it comes to ammo, most of them I've shot have liked the CCI blazers though.

Regards,

Jung

user472884

08-14-2012, 07:58 AM

Heh. I ask because I just got done rewatching At World's End and thought of it watching that stick Keira Knightley whip her body weight in wood and steel out from under her thin blue dress thing.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

08-14-2012, 01:39 PM

There are some restrictions on certain weapons in certain states too.

Regards,

Jung

Edit:

I am shopping for some .45 acp today... My normal place to buy right now is out of stock and on back order. So.... I am trying to find another good place where ammo is on sale for $0.40 or less per round while staying away from the russian ammo, even though Tula's are the least expensive. I'm afraid of how dirty they might be... and I may not get my money's worth if they cause ftf or fte which would make my day at the range more of a chore than a joyful experience.

I been looking at brands such as Federal or American Eagle.. my local stores have expensive stuff which kind of forces me to look online. paying $1+ for FMJ is highway robbery... I can find defensive ammo for less.

.223's are hard to come by cheap locally as well. online they have buckets for cheap.. I suppose I'll just have to experiment with some brands.

Can always check Ammunition to go or Ammoman

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php
http://www.ammoman.com/

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

08-15-2012, 11:46 AM

I just found out that my Walmart now carries the 62gr. M855 ammo in the 420 cans for considerably cheaper (like $60 cheaper). That just made my day. The last time I got one, it was $220 without tax...

user472884

08-15-2012, 06:13 PM

and I thought paintballs were expensive.

ALS

08-19-2012, 10:12 PM

and I thought paintballs were expensive.

How about $52 for a box of twenty Federal Premium 300 Win Mag Sierra Match King 190 grain. And people wonder why I have a reloading bench in my office at work,:D

My favorite catalog is the Sinclair International (http://www.sinclairintl.com/)

jung_adore_ALIZEE

08-19-2012, 10:46 PM

How about $52 for a box of twenty Federal Premium 300 Win Mag Sierra Match King 190 grain. And people wonder why I have a reloading bench in my office at work,:D

My favorite catalog is the Sinclair International (http://www.sinclairintl.com/)

Yeah ammo prices are crazy these days....that and I like to run heavy for caliber bullets for handgun and a few of the rifles 230 gr. Bergers in the .300 win mag

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

08-20-2012, 07:47 AM

Yeah ammo prices are crazy these days....

Which is why I love my .22lr rifle. :D Dirt cheap ammo, lots of it, and a fun, accurate rifle. It's near perfection.

And what's really pissing me off is that some people are trying to push to add a "sin tax" on ammunition now... To that I say...

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jung_adore_ALIZEE

08-20-2012, 10:12 AM

Which is why I love my .22lr rifle. :D Dirt cheap ammo, lots of it, and a fun, accurate rifle. It's near perfection.

And what's really pissing me off is that some people are trying to push to add a "sin tax" on ammunition now... To that I say...

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Yeah .22s are quite fun still spending $40+ a brick for what I shoot now though :(

Yeah the sin tax for it comes up from time to time, hopefully it never passes.

Regards,

Jung

ALS

08-20-2012, 02:51 PM

I'm still looking for a nice premium .22 bolt action until then my Winchester 9422 will have to suffice. I like my Ruger Mark I bull barrel that I bought back in the early eighties used for $75. My favorite .22 is still my Browning Medalist. It is the no excuse gun. You miss what you were shooting at it's YOUR fault not the gun. If you ever run across one for sale, buy it you will not be disappointed.
They were only made between 1962 and 1974.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

08-20-2012, 03:28 PM

I rather like my dads High Standard Victor model for a .22, will hit 2 and 4" plates all day at 100 yards with that pistol.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

09-08-2012, 07:30 PM

Taxi Driver Aaron

09-08-2012, 08:05 PM

WhiteFeather

09-09-2012, 04:26 AM

It's whatever shoots best with you... for me it's the Glock 19 hands down...

That kind of goes without saying. :p

I was just curious if anyone had any firsthand info on the guns I am looking into. Like reliability, accuracy, ammo recommendations, that sort of thing.

As for Glocks, I can't get past their looks. I think honestly they are all butt ugly. I'm know they're excellent shooters, just not my cup of tea. Plus I learned to shoot with a single action trigger.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

09-09-2012, 08:14 AM

So I'm currently setting aside money for my first 9mm handgun so when I turn 21 I'll have the funds to go and get it on my birthday and not have to wait to save up for it.

The problem is I'm debating which one to get. There are 4 right now I'm looking at. The SIG P226, Beretta PX4 Storm, Smith and Wesson 5903 (or similar model), and Browning Hi-Power.

I'm leaning heavily towards the Sig right now. If anyone has any comments on these or any other quality 9mm's, I"m all ears. (On a side note, I've always shot with DA/SA pistols. I'm not looking for striker fired so much.)

Sigs are built like a tank, and are quite nice shooters. The PX4 is fairly new to the market but from the ones I've shot and what I've heard they are quite quality handguns and are accurate. The 5903 series of guns are tough and accurate a little is left to be desired in the erganomic area. Now for the Browning Hi Power.....basically it is an improved 1911, they are a very impressive firearm.

Other suggestions would be the HK P7 although not a DA/SA it has a grip cocking mechanism that needs to be pulled to cock it. Honestly it is the most accurate auto I've ever had the chance to fire and own. I also really like the Walther P1 or P38, very comfortable and fairly accurate. they have a few things to watch out for however when looking for one. The Beretta 92fs should also be listed I suppose, it's quite tough and very easy to shoot. It's a little on the heavy side but then again so are a lot of the pistols listed. probably the second most accurate auto I've shot is a Beretta Steel One which is a all stainless steel 92fs, heavy as can be but the most pleasant shooting auto I've had the opportunity to shoot.

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

09-15-2012, 03:26 AM

That kind of goes without saying. :p

I was just curious if anyone had any firsthand info on the guns I am looking into. Like reliability, accuracy, ammo recommendations, that sort of thing.

As for Glocks, I can't get past their looks. I think honestly they are all butt ugly. I'm know they're excellent shooters, just not my cup of tea. Plus I learned to shoot with a single action trigger.

Well... if you're going to go single action then you might as well get a revolver... revolvers are much more reliable than pistols, although, I don't really think revolvers are practical for 9MM... might as well get a 38 special.

What are you using it for? .. if it's for concealed carry I would recommend a Kahr PM9 (double action only) ... but if you're stuck on single action 9MM's I would just go with a 38 special S&W revolver with a trigger job!...

If it's for planking... any gun will do... just pick one.... I typically don't spend as much time or thought into buying a gun unless it is for home defense or concealed carry... then I get more into it... planking guns I just buy and try like the kel-tech sub 2k ... my favorite 9MM :)

jung_adore_ALIZEE

09-15-2012, 12:45 PM

WhiteFeather

09-15-2012, 01:12 PM

Well... if you're going to go single action then you might as well get a revolver... revolvers are much more reliable than pistols, although, I don't really think revolvers are practical for 9MM... might as well get a 38 special.

What are you using it for? .. if it's for concealed carry I would recommend a Kahr PM9 (double action only) ... but if you're stuck on single action 9MM's I would just go with a 38 special S&W revolver with a trigger job!...

If it's for planking... any gun will do... just pick one.... I typically don't spend as much time or thought into buying a gun unless it is for home defense or concealed carry... then I get more into it... planking guns I just buy and try like the kel-tech sub 2k ... my favorite 9MM :)

It's not a single action I'm after, it's a double action/single action. When carried you usually drop the hammer, resulting in the first shot being double action and every subsequent shot is in single action. This negates the need for an external safety, which I am not a fan of. Also, the single action trigger is lighter than double action only or striker fired pistols, so I tend to shoot more accurately with it. Although I do plan on getting a single action .45LC revolver at some point, which is besides the point.

As for intent, primarily "plinking"(not planking :p)/home defense. Just an all around handgun. And no concealed carry for me here in this stupid retarded state......:mad:

I typically don't spend as much time or thought into buying a gun unless it is for home defense or concealed carry

Well this is where we differ in opinion. I always put, maybe too much, time and energy and thought into all gun purchases. I don't want to have 500 guns that I never shoot or have guns that I regret buying. When I buy one, it's because I plan on using it.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

09-15-2012, 01:24 PM

If you are going for a no external safety handgun in 9mm I'd highly suggest the HK P7. It has a squeeze cocking mechanism that is required to depress before firing which is about a 16 pound pull. Really comfortable after cocking and a fairly light 4 pound trigger pull if I recall correctly. The barrel is fixed to the frame making it an extremely accurate pistol on par with most revolvers. The cocking mechanism is also used as the slide release. The PSP model has a european style heal magazine release where as the P7m8 and P7m13s have a traditional american button release. other than the magazine release and a take down button to take the slide off of the frame there are no buttons to snag on anything. All in all reliable, accurate, and extremely safe.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

09-15-2012, 01:32 PM

I have yet to see one in person. But if I do see one at the store, I'll be sure to look into it more thoroughly. And by look into, I mean shoot.

I am so impatient right now... 7 more months...

ALS

09-28-2012, 08:09 PM

I have a Browning Hi-Power with the matte chrome finish. It came with adjustable Combat sights, pachmayr grips and the gold trigger. It is my favorite semi automatic handgun. Also it says on the slide made in Belgium by Fabrique Nationales. The only downside some people find with the gun is it's a single action. It looks like the the one in the picture.

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/3116221447/10133471/wm_1978747.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg

I also have a Sig 228 in 9mm which I sent back to Sig-Sauer to install adjustable sights. I bought it as a carry gun due to its smaller length.

Glock really makes a nice gun but I don't like the feel of the grip in my hand.
I have friends who own Glock's who absolutely love them.

Edit: After posting the above post last night I popped over to my gun stores web site to see if they had anything interesting in their used section. Yes they did, :) I had one of these when I was twelve and traded it in when I was sixteen for a Winchester 1200 12 gauge. The only gun I ever got rid of in my life that I always wanted another one but never got around to replacing it.

Went down this afternoon to look at it and bought it on sight.
A Mossberg 144 .22 target rifle with a heavy barrel in excellent condition and a Bushnell scope on it for $295. The only downside was the previous owner removed the rear target peep sight. That wasn't a big deal since I can order another one from Brownells next week. Of course with my luck today the State Police PICS system was down so I'll have to drop in either tomorrow or some day next week to pick it up. I've been looking for a nice .22 bolt action and couldn't believe they had one, let alone at this price. Anytime they get a nice used .22 target rifle in, it's out the door in days.
Older target .22's are getting big bucks lately and I couldn't let it go at this price. When I get it I'll post pictures. :D

ALS

11-07-2012, 09:38 AM

I got the Mossberg 144 and got lucky and found the correct rear sight for it on a gun board I hang on or should I say mostly lurk on, Rimfire Central. It is a dedicated .22 board if your interested and the guys that hang there are extremely nice. I also ordered and got a new set of front sight inserts from Lyman for it. Hopefully I'll get some time this weekend to get a picture up of it. The 3X9 scope it came with, I found it has a bad power ring. A true piece of junk with a retail price of a whopping $40 at Walmart.

Bump post of something funny

Proper grip of your handgun.

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Tiwaz

11-07-2012, 06:31 PM

Proper grip of your handgun.

:p
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jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-07-2012, 09:06 PM

Rimfire Central is a pretty good forum from my experience.

Regards,

Jung

ALS

12-30-2012, 09:38 PM

So did you guys get any new toys over Christmas?

I ordered some magazines for my Mossberg .22 rifle and picked up some after market magazines for my Browning Medalist. Have to get on the phone tomorrow morning I got a lead on a supply of Armalite AR10 magazines. I figured I'll pick up a few before the masses find out that there is a large supply still available.

Edit: Well I scored five AR-10 25 round magazines this morning. Would have bought ten but they had a five magazine limit.

WhiteFeather

01-07-2013, 10:05 AM

No guns for me for Christmas...

But I did get a Smith and Wesson product. A 24" collapsible baton.

http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/P14253095.jpg

I had my sights on a M1 Carbine, but being the idiot I am, I didn't buy it for like 6 months thinking it would still be there. Well, it wasn't... And now I feel like shooting myself in the foot.

lefty12357

02-23-2013, 04:53 PM

Sorry, but I deleted the last 2 posts in order to avoid this thread possibly becoming political. Let's just stick to guns and ammo related stuff and not post things that might start a political argument.

lapinschous

02-23-2013, 06:03 PM

Oh! I see now why this is called Alizée America...:D That's not the kind of thread you'll find on ali france . ^^

Well , since guns are way way way harder to get in france, (it's a true administrative nightmare, no joke) , I've never bought any guns but I keep the french percussion hunting rifle "DeVisme" from the 1880s of my great grand father :p worth thousands of euros! http://data.imagup.com/10/1176326346.JPG DeVisme

unfortunately i can't bring it home , so it stays in my room at my parents place ... :/

ALS

03-01-2013, 05:36 PM

Meet 13 year old Katelyn Francis.

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ALS

03-17-2013, 09:42 PM

Just in case any of you forgot how to properly field strip and clean your AR15, Ashley will show you.

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WhiteFeather

04-20-2013, 11:08 AM

So in a few days I'll finally be of age, and I'm finally gonna get my first handgun after years of unbearable waiting. I've decided on the Sig P226 as my first (but more will definitely follow).

Anyways, recently I was reading a magazine and an article sparked my interest in a new rifle by Savage, called the Savage 42.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/Model42

It's an over/under .22lr and .410 combo. I've been looking for a good takedown/survival gun to keep in the vehicle. My buddy has one of those Henry Survival rifles and it's pretty cool. I've also noticed that Ruger makes a 10/22 takedown model now and also Winchester has a few takedown lever guns. So my question to all 3 or less of you that actually read this thread, do you have any suggestions for a quality, small compact rifle or any other combination rifles?

ALS

04-20-2013, 12:46 PM

I have a Sig P228 which is the compact version of the P226. The P226 is a nice gun, my buddy carried a P226 for many years as a Police officer.

My first handgun when I turned 21 was a six inch blued Colt Python .357 magnum. Second one was a Ruger Mark I Bull barrel .22. I bought both used and sold the Python a few years ago, replacing it with a brand new one. I still have the Ruger and like to shoot it when I can.

WhiteFeather

04-20-2013, 02:02 PM

Python's are a dream for me. I don't plan on getting one anytime soon, mainly due to costs. I would rather have a S&W Model 29 though, but those too are really expensive. I am gonna get a single action revolver later on, hopefully if we get a large enough bonus at work. I'm looking at a Cimarron Man with No Name or a Uberti 1871 Cattleman. I've also toyed with the idea of some black powder conversion revolvers because I like the looks. But generally they come in .38 Spl and I'm looking for a .45LC.

ALS

04-20-2013, 03:32 PM

One of my friends has a 629 in stainless steel, three inch version. Needless to say it is an absolute scream to shoot. Even with the three inch barrel it is a pretty accurate gun considering. If I hadn't had a Remington 700 SF Varmint in .223 on order last month I would have scored a used one at my gun dealer. I don't own a single Smith & Wesson but that three inch 629 would have been worth buying.

WhiteFeather

04-26-2013, 02:28 PM

I'm not a huge fan of shorter revolvers. I like the longish barrel. I was at the gun store yesterday, eyeing some of the revolvers and I don't really care for snub nose or those generally under 4".

And speaking of the gun store, in less than 48 hours I will be the proud owner of a brand new SIG P226. I don't think I've ever been so excited. It has those new "E2" grips on them which look weird at first, but was actually really comfortable to hold. I just wish there wasn't a ridiculous waiting period. It's unbearable.....

ALS

04-26-2013, 04:25 PM

Oh the benefits of Pics and Nics and having a carry permit. Buy it and take it home that day. :)

WhiteFeather

05-02-2013, 03:32 PM

I love my SIG. Shoots like a dream. It definitely was worth the grueling 3+ year long wait.

Now to decide on which 1911 to get.....

ALS

05-02-2013, 09:44 PM

I bought a Kimber Eclipse Target II two years ago. It went into the safe and I haven't shot it yet. I looked at probably fifteen different .45's from a basic $600 model to a $3500 Wilson Custom. The Eclipse II felt the best in my hand.

I have a Colt Stainless Steel officers. Even with seven rounds, one in the tube six in the magazine the gun is one heavy piece of metal (34 oz) for its size. Colt makes a light weight officers (24oz) and there is a sizable difference in weight between them.

The only thing with my officers is it only likes FMJ or SWC lead. It will feed hollow points but there is a questionable feel to the feed. It feeds them but not as smoothly as they could be. Not something you would like to have happen if you are using the gun as a self defense weapon. I've been thinking of having a local gunsmith that only deals with 1911's look at it in the near future to correct that issue.