Guns and Ammo: AAm Edition [Archive]

WhiteFeather

10-30-2011, 09:40 AM

This is for all the shooters out there. Post your guns, guns you want; pretty much anything related to firearms. I might as well get the ball rolling with this video as it accurately portrays my feelings towards guns.

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And for you naysayers, this thread is Alizée Approved.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=179&pictureid=1781

Note:This thread about guns, not politics. Don't post why you think guns are bad. Remember, if you don't have something nice to say, DON'T SAY IT.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

10-30-2011, 10:19 AM

gotta like Steve Lee, his album also titled "I Like Guns" is quite good. He actually started out singing children's songs and still does.

Every one knows that hand loads are the best too xD.....

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/254423_1951710965809_1633681271_1917118_3684041_n. jpg

I don't know if you can tell but I like .30 cals they are king, I think I'm gonna start going away from Hornady however, Golden Sabers and Noslers are better handgun bullets and the Nosler Accubond is a much better hunting round for the rifles. I've been happy with Hornady accuracy though but I've had the same luck with the others mentioned.

and the oldest date stamp on a gun I own

http://hphotos-sea1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/223736_2132463684514_1633681271_2089623_4954011_n. jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

10-30-2011, 05:13 PM

I posted this video in a different thread, but this guy is too incredible not to post twice.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Bob Munden.

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He is one of the few reasons why I like revolvers and Westerns so much.

By the way, Super Humans is a really cool show on its own.

Junkmale

10-30-2011, 06:54 PM

Wow.....
I can only imagine trying to get some of those through Customs at Belfast International Airport!

jung_adore_ALIZEE

10-30-2011, 07:49 PM

Bob is pretty amazing.

and now probably one of my favorite semi-auto pistols...The HK P7 PSP

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm129/jung159/20100109_2.jpg

and it seen along with my Walther P1 and my old Bosses old Desert Eagle in .41 mag

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm129/jung159/20100112_6.jpg

some action photos of it

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WhiteFeather

10-30-2011, 08:20 PM

Just found out that Cabelas usually has a decent amount of Mosin Nagants for around $90. Don't know the exact model or what year, but for that price (plus it includes the accessories) I may have to make the trip out there to pick one up.

http://i32.tinypic.com/16p6l5.jpg

Basically it is all of that for $90. However if I find one of these decently priced there, I'd buy it over a Mosin anyday:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads14/m1carbine_pfc_modelgun_wwii1237382666.jpg

or

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/m1-garand.jpg

Apparently Beretta started making these also.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

10-30-2011, 08:46 PM

looks like a short barrel version so I'd say M44 if I recall correct. Mosins are quite nice shooters. quite accurate and throws out a nice wollop with that x54R round. A nice fun Mosin article. http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

Garands are quite nice shooters too was hitting the 1 foot gong at 300 with my cousins open sites quite cosistently when I shot it. As for the Carbine they are super fun.

As I've been into revolvers lately....

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/375398_2353788777503_1633681271_2276510_5459756_n. jpg

To me that says it'll make a nice carry round or light game round maybe even deer. That's full expansion in 2-3 inches of flesh and the bullet had full weight retention. it's a 125 gr. Golden Saber over 7.5 gr. of titegroup for a velocity of around 1400 I believe haven't chronographed it yet however so not sure. Extremely accurate to boot. Gotta love the .357 mag

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

10-30-2011, 09:27 PM

looks like a short barrel version so I'd say M44 if I recall correct. Mosins are quite nice shooters. quite accurate and throws out a nice wollop with that x54R round. A nice fun Mosin article. http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

That article is hilarious. What's weird though, since I have the Sig 556, is that my rifle sometimes applies to both the AK and AR columns. For example:

You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
That happened a couple of months ago. I was trying out different ammo (this was before I reloaded) and was trying cheap steel-cased Herters. Apparently it wasn't providing enough gas to cycle the bolt, so one got jammed in there. Took a rubber mallet, whacked the bolt back and after that it fired like nothing happened. Needless to say I am never using that crap again.

Edit:

A couple funny pictures I found:

http://tomwade.me/tw/2ndamendment/images/gunfreezone.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8bEdZGbBsg0/S7n0IM-zk9I/AAAAAAAAJqI/h-WX6blyWxc/s640/ACUTE+LEAD+DIFICIENCY-756928.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8bEdZGbBsg0/S7n0OejVJQI/AAAAAAAAJtc/N47PDOoaXtc/s640/MARINE+SNIPER-781522.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8bEdZGbBsg0/S7n0K8OG_sI/AAAAAAAAJr8/PTw9roH_uqA/s640/DIVERSITY-767706.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

10-30-2011, 09:33 PM

Some guns like Herters or other steel cased ammo some don't kinda surprised the Sig didn't like it though. I have no experience with Herters though so they might just plain old suck. I usually buy the Bear or Wolf lines of ammo when I do buy steel cased ammo, or military surplus ammo is steel cased on occasion. Steel cased ammo really only gets run through my com-block guns though so. Impossible to get anything but steel cased ammo for the 5.45x39 sadly and all berdan primed so it would be a pain to load them and no one makes .221 bullets either and dies cost as much as a case of ammo so lucky ammo is cheap for that one.

Regards,

Jung

Jake04

10-30-2011, 09:41 PM

Guns in the wrong hands. :D

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WhiteFeather

10-30-2011, 10:02 PM

Guns in the wrong hands. :D

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That just made my night. :))

Edit:

I see your monkey and raise you an...Iraqi?

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Jake04

10-31-2011, 02:42 AM

That just made my night. :))

Edit:

I see your monkey and raise you an...Iraqi?

Sure, let me add a professional police officer conducting gun safety training! :p

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WhiteFeather

10-31-2011, 05:43 AM

Sure, let me add a professional police officer conducting gun safety training! :p

http://funpics.classicfun.ws/var/albums/Funpics/Tactical%20Facepalm.jpg?m=1301945971

I wouldn't trust him with a water gun.

I counter your idiot cop, with this incredibly awesome guy.

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Don't know about you guys, but I want one.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

10-31-2011, 07:45 PM

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load is 110 Gr. speer hollow point over 60 gr. of IMR 4350 with federal large magnum rifle primer

Not too bad for the initial load, specially considering it's in a .300 win mag without a full case of powder. I might adjust lightly and see if it'll tighten up a little, but it's gonna be a 300 yard max round as it's a really light and short bullet with a Ballistic coefficient of a whooping .128 (which is about the same as the 115 gr. 9mm bullets I run) at only around 2700 FPS. so it pretty much means it'll drop like a ton of bricks after about 300 yards or so.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

10-31-2011, 08:29 PM

Jake04

10-31-2011, 08:32 PM

I wouldn't trust him with a water gun.

I counter your idiot cop, with this incredibly awesome guy.
Don't know about you guys, but I want one.

Time to bring in the big guns! I present you the battle-tested, drug cartel-busting, most competent army in the world: The Colombian army! :D

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WhiteFeather

10-31-2011, 08:58 PM

Time to bring in the big guns! I present you the battle-tested, drug cartel-busting, most competent army in the world: The Colombian army! :D

http://cat.facepalm.de/images/facepalm.jpg

Don't know if I can top that. No wait, I lied.

Presenting the most idiotic waste of space: the "White Gangsta" :facepalm:

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Seriously, these are the kinds of people that give gun owners bad names. The kid either was never properly taught gun safety or didn't take it to heart. His father didn't properly lock his guns and ammo. He should have shot himself and saved the oxygen for the rest of us.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

10-31-2011, 09:04 PM

Went to Gander Mountain today to buy a .308 die set and wouldn't you know it, they had everything but that. So now I have 3 choices. Go to a local gun store that charges 15 bucks more than everywhere else, go to Cabelas which is like an hour and a half away, or Bass Pro Shop, which is about 40-45 minutes away. I find it hard to justify going that far out of my way (my vehicle is not the best on gas mileage), but I may have no choice.

They did however have a pretty sweet Winchester 1894 30-30 for $499. I do like those lever actions. Might have to go back and pick it up.

I have half a set of .308 dies I could get rid of :p well the decaping pin on the sizing die is broke is it I believe. hope you have as good of luck getting a good load as I did for my .308. For what it's worth Lake City nato spec brass is highly worth getting, just make sure to reduce the powder charge as nato brass is thicker than commercial.

My $500 setup that will compete with $3000 setups xD

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/166978_2355928711000_1633681271_2278492_1650282578 _n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

10-31-2011, 09:59 PM

She's a Beaut. I never was into scoped rifles as much until I got my own. I don't think I can think of anything as relaxing as sitting/laying behind your rifle, looking downrange, blocking all distractions out of your head, then gently squeezing the trigger, releasing that aromatic smell and heavenly sound.

As far as loading it, I'm first going to use the Remington brass I already shot. Once that is used up, I'll seriously consider the Lake City. Powder is probably going to remain the Hogdon Varget. Bullets is where I'm having difficulties deciding. You recommended Hornady A-max if I'm not mistaken? I have a buddy that shoots Sierra boat tails (don't know the exact specs) 165 gr. I shot 3 of his through my rifle to see how it worked out. Got about 1.15" grouping.

On a side note, went to the range last week. Me and a buddy were shooting whatever we could find. He also brought some co2 cartridges for airsoft guns. Those are really cool, if you can find them afterwards.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/Photo0020.jpg

Then after a couple of those, I found someone left a golf ball on a string.

Entrance wound:
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/Photo0018.jpg
Exit wound:
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/Photo0019.jpg

Sorry about the bad quality. The only camera I've got is my phone.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

10-31-2011, 10:39 PM

The Sierra's are probably a 168 gr. if you're going to do a BTHP I'd probably suggest Noslers Custom Competition bullets they are always quite good. A-max is one of the most accurate from what I've found and a lot of people I know swear by them, they do have a rather thin jacket though so they aren't much good from hunting and what not. I think you'd do just fine with a BTHP though and Sierra has long been the benchmark of accuracy, but I think Nosler has them beat now. Most my loads are set up for hunting purposes though, and I've honestly had good luck with accuracy out of most of my bullets. Most my experience is with Noslers and Hornadys typically a ballistic tip of some sort in rifles. The Nosler Accubond is incredibly accurate and has a thick jacket for good weight retention specially for a ballistic tip.
Used regular Nosler balistic tips in the .300 win mag one year and at the velocity it sends them out at the impact completely shatters those bullets, left about a 8" exit wound without hitting bone last year which is a little too much fragmentation for me.

I'd really like to try Berger bullets sometime soon though

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-01-2011, 08:52 AM

My mistake, they are 168 gr. I think I will try out the Hornady and Nosler. I've already got an idea how the Sierra shoot, so once I manage to find the die set, I can load, then compare. I'm hoping to get 1" groupings at 100 yds or better.

I'm also really tempted to go back and get that 30-30 lever action. I've always wanted one, but I just got a new rifle. I don't know if I should spend more time with Lilly 2 before getting another. But if I wait too long, it could be gone by then.

Life's full of tough decisions.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-01-2011, 09:05 AM

Indeed it's tough, I've always wanted a .357 mag. lever action but they always seem to be a little steep in price :(. I know I can push a 158 gr. .357 with a slow burning powder like H110 out of a 16-20" barrel in excess of the speeds of a 150 gr. 30-30 . so it'd be interesting to try, that and I have revolvers that hold the same ammo.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-01-2011, 09:33 AM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-01-2011, 08:04 PM

The main dilemma with me is right now, I cannot buy handgun ammo. So .45, .357, or .44 lever actions are out of the question. It isn't often that I see a 30-30 that is decently priced and happens to look exactly the way I want. Had I found that before I bought my Weatherby, I would have bought it then and there.

Not sure if it's different from state to state but I know here that you can't buy handgun ammo for a handgun, but you can buy it for a rifle if that makes any sense. Besides I don't think they restrict the sale of brass and unloaded bullets xD.

On an unrelated note, me and some guys from work last night played a little game during lunch. It was if you could only own 5 guns in a disaster/survival situation (gov't breakdown, invasion, zombie apocalypse, etc.), what would they be and why? Thought it might be interesting to try here.

My five were:

1. SIG P226 9mm - They are reliable, built tough and accurate. Plus 9mm can be found pretty much everywhere.

http://www.norsearmory.net/images/P226.JPG

2. Winchester Model 70 .308 - Good for long range shooting/hunting. Plus these are battle tested rifles that are extremely accurate.

http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/Model-70-Featherweight-MID-535109-l.jpg

3. SIG 556 5.56 -A more reliable AR platform good for self-defense.

http://www.proguns.com/images/sig-556classicswat-big.jpg

4. Remington 870 12 ga. - Reliable shotgun with readily available parts and common ammunition. Good for hunting or self defense.

http://www.pomaco.fi/upload/Vapen/remington_870_exp_haulikko_hagelgevar_408x268.JPG

5. Ruger 10/22 .22 - Good for small game hunting, and ammo is really light and plentiful. Plus the 10/22 is a common gun, with easy to find parts and customizations.

http://modernsurvivalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ruger_1022rb.jpg

I'd say that is a fine list. I don't know that I would say the sig is more reliable than an AR, they just simply have different problems that ail them

Interesting though 5 is a lot :p I'd probably have to go with...

1. Smith and Wesson 686 or Ruger GP100 in .357, it shoots the most common bullet in the country being the .38 special and will take the full power .357. highly accurate and reliable to boot.

2. High Standard Victor in .22 lr. reliable .22 and will out shoot most your standard .22 rifles with it's 5" barrel.

3. Mosin Nagant in 7.62x54R, Heavy hitting utterly reliable accurate rifle.

4. PTR-91 in .308, can peg a man sized target at 600 plus and realiably stop them and Is the most problem free semi-auto platform in my experience which don't mean they don't have problems it just means I've had very few. The problems I do have well I can have fixed in a jiffy and have about any part I would need.

5. Remington 870 or Ithica featherlight- simply reliable

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-01-2011, 08:21 PM

Not sure if it's different from state to state but I know here that you can't buy handgun ammo for a handgun, but you can buy it for a rifle if that makes any sense. Besides I don't think they restrict the sale of brass and unloaded bullets xD.

I'd say that is a fine list. I don't know that I would say the sig is more reliable than an AR, they just simply have different problems that ail them

Interesting though 5 is a lot I'd probably have to go with...

1. Smith and Wesson 686 or Ruger GP100 in .357, it shoots the most common bullet in the country being the .38 special and will take the full power .357. highly accurate and reliable to boot.

2. High Standard Victor in .22 lr. reliable .22 and will out shoot most your standard .22 rifles with it's 5" barrel.

3. Mosin Nagant in 7.62x54R, Heavy hitting utterly reliable accurate rifle.

4. PTR-91 in .308, can peg a man sized target at 600 plus and realiably stop them and Is the most problem free semi-auto platform in my experience which don't mean they don't have problems it just means I've had very few. The problems I do have well I can have fixed in a jiffy and have about any part I would need.

5. Remington 870 or Ithica featherlight- simply reliable

Regards,

Jung

Illinois gun laws suck majorly. If you aren't 21 you cannot buy ammunition that is considered handgun, even if it for a rifle. Plus, we are the last state in the country that doesn't have some form of a Concealed Carry Law. Didn't even think about reloading pistol ammo, so that could be an option.

I would say that the Sig is more reliable if not easier to maintain. Since it isn't a direct impingement system, it can run longer without lube, and if fouling becomes an issue, you can switch the gas rod to stage 2 to allow more gas to flow. The other day, a guy had a smith and wesson mp-15 and a casing blew in the chamber totally locking it down. There was no way to get it open without taking the barrel out, which takes time and tools. The Sig, like I said earlier, just needed a swift hit in the charging handle to get it unstuck.

I learned never play this game with people that play Call of Duty. They were saying guns like a Barrett .50, Desert Eagle, Rocket Launchers, Flame Throwers, etc. All I could do was :facepalm: It's nice to do this with someone that actually knows what he's talking about.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-01-2011, 11:15 PM

Plus, we are the last state in the country that doesn't have some form of a Concealed Carry Law.

Along with Wisconsin unless they've come to see the light recently

Didn't even think about reloading pistol ammo, so that could be an option.

;)

I would say that the Sig is more reliable if not easier to maintain. Since it isn't a direct impingement system, it can run longer without lube, and if fouling becomes an issue, you can switch the gas rod to stage 2 to allow more gas to flow. The other day, a guy had a smith and wesson mp-15 and a casing blew in the chamber totally locking it down. There was no way to get it open without taking the barrel out, which takes time and tools. The Sig, like I said earlier, just needed a swift hit in the charging handle to get it unstuck.

it's all about the experience you have with them, there are things that can go wrong with a piston design that cant' with DI and the same applies the other way around. It even applies to my Delayed Roller Blowbacks. if you trust your system though that is what matters. I would trust a sig anyday myself

I learned never play this game with people that play Call of Duty. They were saying guns like a Barrett .50, Desert Eagle, Rocket Launchers, Flame Throwers, etc. All I could do was :facepalm: It's nice to do this with someone that actually knows what he's talking about.

I could see picking a Dessert Eagle as they are honestly a very reliable handgun. I wouldn't take one in .50 AE though as they are the only ones I've found to actually have a high recoil.

Now if you could only pick one what would you pick?

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-01-2011, 11:32 PM

Along with Wisconsin unless they've come to see the light recently

Ironically, their new law took effect today at midnight.

Wisconsin concealed carry law takes effect
(http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20111101/APC0101/111010431/Wisconsin-concealed-carry-law-takes-effect)

it's all about the experience you have with them, there are things that can go wrong with a piston design that cant' with DI and the same applies the other way around. It even applies to my Delayed Roller Blowbacks. if you trust your system though that is what matters. I would trust a sig anyday myself

That is true. Personally, I find my Sig to be simpler and easier to figure out than an AR-15.

I could see picking a Dessert Eagle as they are honestly a very reliable handgun. I wouldn't take one in .50 AE though as they are the only ones I've found to actually have a high recoil.

They just aren't my cup of tea. And based on the firearms experience these guys had...

Now if you could only pick one what would you pick?

You had to make me think on my night off. Let's see...

It would have to be the Sig P220 in .45. In most disaster based scenarios, the action is usually going to be close range. Plus pistols are light and can provide decent firepower while giving you high mobility. And while it would be difficult to hunt with it, it would not be impossible. I chose the .45 instead of the 9mm to make up for the lack of rifles with power.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-02-2011, 01:05 AM

They just aren't my cup of tea. And based on the firearms experience these guys had...

fair enough and true

You had to make me think on my night off. Let's see...

It would have to be the Sig P220 in .45. In most disaster based scenarios, the action is usually going to be close range. Plus pistols are light and can provide decent firepower while giving you high mobility. And while it would be difficult to hunt with it, it would not be impossible. I chose the .45 instead of the 9mm to make up for the lack of rifles with power.

Not a bad choice, I'd probably take a Mosin Nagant or similar battle rifle in bolt action, as in a shtf I head for the country.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-02-2011, 01:51 AM

Not a bad choice, I'd probably take a Mosin Nagant or similar battle rifle in bolt action, as in a shtf I head for the country.

As for where I live now, it wouldn't make sense for me to have a long range weapon. Most of my fighting would be urban/suburban, and at that point the goal is to get the hell out of Dodge. I wouldn't want to be engaging targets long range if they don't know I exist. Basically, I'd probably rely on stealth and hopefully be able to escape unnoticed.

And while I love the Mosin Nagant, it would be way too loud for it to be practical for me.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-02-2011, 01:59 AM

As for where I live now, it wouldn't make sense for me to have a long range weapon. Most of my fighting would be urban/suburban, and at that point the goal is to get the hell out of Dodge. I wouldn't want to be engaging targets long range if they don't know I exist. Basically, I'd probably rely on stealth and hopefully be able to escape unnoticed.

And while I love the Mosin Nagant, it would be way too loud for it to be practical for me.

Well it is actually quite a practical short range weapon too... you can take out hundreds with the fireball it spews 'least with the M44.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-02-2011, 03:03 AM

Well it is actually quite a practical short range weapon too... you can take out hundreds with the fireball it spews 'least with the M44.

Regards,

Jung

:)) Totally forgot about that.

Edit:

I've been meaning to post this since I started the thread, but totally forgot.

Happy 100th Birthday, M1911A1 :clap:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/M1911_A1_pistol.jpg/800px-M1911_A1_pistol.jpg

100 years old, and still as sexy as when it first rolled of the assembly line.

In honor of this legendary pistol, post your favorite model of this iconic gun.

While I haven't yet shot one, based on looks, I'm into the classic look of the 1911; black with walnut grips.

The Remington 1911 R1

http://www.biggerbids.com/members/images/17233/public/1847158_96323.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-02-2011, 10:59 PM

I'm a fan of the Officer Model.

http://gunshopgoddess.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/armscorp_54183.jpg?w=604

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-03-2011, 09:38 AM

If money were no object:

http://eastcoastgunsales.com/admin/_ImageUploads/Product%20Images/4059.jpg

Kimber Custom CDP II

On a side note, have you ever had experience with Cimarron or Uberti revolvers? I've been looking at what they have, and they offer a lot of old West style guns, but I don't know if they are good shooters. I read some reviews online, but would much rather have someone's opinion that isn't writing for a magazine.

http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Conversions/images/NoNameConv.jpg

http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1851_navy_conversion.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-03-2011, 08:15 PM

If money were no object:

http://eastcoastgunsales.com/admin/_ImageUploads/Product%20Images/4059.jpg

Kimber Custom CDP II

If money were no option I'd still build my own or go with a complete custom gun to my liking xD.

On a side note, have you ever had experience with Cimarron or Uberti revolvers? I've been looking at what they have, and they offer a lot of old West style guns, but I don't know if they are good shooters. I read some reviews online, but would much rather have someone's opinion that isn't writing for a magazine.

http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Conversions/images/NoNameConv.jpg

http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1851_navy_conversion.jpg

Never actually had one but I've heard quite good things about both and I believe they both have good customer service.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-03-2011, 10:19 PM

I don't know if I'd trust myself to build a custom gun just yet. Maybe in the future, when I am able to actually afford to build a machine shop, and then get practice in it (I've got considerable wood shop experience, just not metal).

Since we're on the topic of dream guns, if you could have any gun, regardless of cost (or legality) what would it be?

I would have to say the Springfield Armory M25 White Feather

http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/images/SA9502.gif

MSRP:$5278.00

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-03-2011, 10:34 PM

I don't know if I'd trust myself to build a custom gun just yet. Maybe in the future, when I am able to actually afford to build a machine shop, and then get practice in it (I've got considerable wood shop experience, just not metal).

By build I more mean assemble by the parts I want, as a machine shop I don't not have :p.

Since we're on the topic of dream guns, if you could have any gun, regardless of cost (or legality) what would it be?

I would have to say the Springfield Armory M25 White Feather

http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/images/SA9502.gif

MSRP:$5278.00

Either a PSG-1 which I may have one built for me here in a couple years. Can probably get one done up for around $5,000, but for an actual HK you're looking at closer to $9,000-10,000

http://www.rps.net/NE/weaponpics/Guns/psg1-1.jpg

a HK G11, and screw Black Ops as the G11 wasn't even around during the time setting, but the G11 is just neat. Price well who knows

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or a WA2000 in either 7.5 swiss or .300 win mag and I believe Earl has both and would get rid of them for around $75,000. Earl actually owns about half of the WA2000's that made it to the US I believe he owns 13 of them I could be wrong on the number though.

http://www.carlwalther.com/images/wa2000.gif

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-03-2011, 10:47 PM

Either a PSG-1 which I may have one built for me here in a couple years. Can probably get one done up for around $5,000, but for an actual HK you're looking at closer to $9,000-10,000

http://www.rps.net/NE/weaponpics/Guns/psg1-1.jpg

a HK G11, and screw Black Ops as the G11 wasn't even around during the time setting, but the G11 is just neat. Price well who knows

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MdErfyYeJeU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

or a WA2000 in either 7.5 swiss or .300 win mag and I believe Earl has both and would get rid of them for around $75,000. Earl actually owns about half of the WA2000's that made it to the US I believe he owns 13 of them I could be wrong on the number though.

http://www.carlwalther.com/images/wa2000.gif

The WA2000 is a fine rifle, but a little too boxy for me. I believe you are correct about him owning 13. The G11 is a nice concept, though a little too complex for me, and the PSG1, I forgot about that beast. It has to be one of my favorite semi-auto rifles. That and the MP5 are probably 2 of my favorite HK weapons.

screw Black Ops

:2_thumbs: :thumb: :clap:

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-03-2011, 11:18 PM

The WA2000 is a fine rifle, but a little too boxy for me. I believe you are correct about him owning 13. The G11 is a nice concept, though a little too complex for me, and the PSG1, I forgot about that beast. It has to be one of my favorite semi-auto rifles. That and the MP5 are probably 2 of my favorite HK weapons.

:2_thumbs: :thumb: :clap:

I have a feeling the PTR-91 will actually shoot as accurate as the PSG-1, but we'll find out once I get one built xD. With a .308 you don't game much by going over an 18" barrel, it is the optimal length for that caliber and the powder loads that are typical to it. I think it would still be neat to have the PSG-1, as I've said I have a little Roller Delayed Blowback bug xD.

Regards,

Jung

Edit:

I do also believe the PSG barrels do have a 1-10 twist rate where as the standard G3 or 91 style barrels typically have a 1-12 twist rate so the PSG-1 would handle the heavier bullets better which is an advantage.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-04-2011, 03:39 AM

I've never been a huge fan of bull-pup rifles, but this one I've always wanted. Never going to happen as only 50-100 were imported back in the 80's, and now they are pretty pricey.

http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/files/FAMAS.jpg

In my defense, I've liked them since before COD made them popular.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-04-2011, 09:22 PM

The Famas is a pretty neat design. As far as Bullpups go though I'm a fan of the FNS-2000. The Kel-Tec RFB looks pretty neat too, pretty much a bullpup FAL that ejects out the front.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/Tigger725/P1000615.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/sniper/sn75/rfb-18.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-04-2011, 09:39 PM

Not to big on the FNS-2000. It just looks kinda weird. The Kel-Tec isn't bad though. Reminds me of the SA-80

http://www.misklin.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/misklin/sa80.h2.jpg

On second thought maybe not so much.

This is a pretty cool concept for a gun. Unfortunately, I don't think they make them anymore.

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jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-04-2011, 09:52 PM

You have to hold a FNS2000 to fully appreciate it, it's quite balanced and actually pretty comfortable. The RFB is well balanced too, and I believe Kel Tec bought out all the Aluminum FAL mags for them too so it'd be nice to get one of them too xD

The Folding submachine guns are always neat there is another company making a similar design again not sure which one it was but it was unveiled at the shot show this year I think.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-04-2011, 10:35 PM

You have to hold a FNS2000 to fully appreciate it, it's quite balanced and actually pretty comfortable.

Fair enough.

I know Red Jacket Firearms (Sons of Guns show) made their own take on it. Basically it was a Mac-10(?) that folded into a box. They also had some basic survival tools in there. Not as professional as the one above, but still cool in its own right. Don't know if that was the one at Shot Show.

Just saw this in a magazine... I want one. I have no need for it, but...

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/sig_551_a_1_rifle-tfb.jpg

If you didn't figure it out, I'm kinda a Sig Sauer/SigArms Fan

Edit:

I've always wanted to try one of these out since I saw the movie "Shooter." Though I know that gun shoots better than me.

http://www.military-today.com/firearms/cheytac_m200_intervention_l4.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-06-2011, 03:10 PM

Fair enough.

I know Red Jacket Firearms (Sons of Guns show) made their own take on it. Basically it was a Mac-10(?) that folded into a box. They also had some basic survival tools in there. Not as professional as the one above, but still cool in its own right. Don't know if that was the one at Shot Show.

It was Magpul that is making it now which figures. It's pretty neat

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Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-06-2011, 05:01 PM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-06-2011, 05:23 PM

So I finally got my dad to get his FOID card. As soon as it arrives in the mail, we are off to find him a suitable 9mm pistol to start. Any suggestions for a good first pistol?

A friend recommended a Springfield XD.

http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/Springfield-XD9.jpg

The XD is a nice pistol, and they are rather reasonably priced too. I'd go for the XDm if you go that route though they are a bit smoother and such.

I'd take a look at a few and see what fits the hand best. if it were me I'd suggest a 1911, Browning Hi-power, Browning Buckmark, S&W 686, or Ruger GP100. Glocks are also nice if it fits your hand, they are damned reliable. I'd stick with the old faithful cartridges too, such as 9mm .45 acp, .22 or .38/.357. I don't quite understand the whole .40 S&W rage, they always seem to have more muzzle flip and don't gain a lot over a 9mm. Maybe that's just my opinion though.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-06-2011, 05:36 PM

The XD is a nice pistol, and they are rather reasonably priced too. I'd go for the XDm if you go that route though they are a bit smoother and such.

I'd take a look at a few and see what fits the hand best. if it were me I'd suggest a 1911, Browning Hi-power, Browning Buckmark, S&W 686, or Ruger GP100. Glocks are also nice if it fits your hand, they are damned reliable. I'd stick with the old faithful cartridges too, such as 9mm .45 acp, .22 or .38/.357. I don't quite understand the whole .40 S&W rage, they always seem to have more muzzle flip and don't gain a lot over a 9mm. Maybe that's just my opinion though.

Regards,

Jung

Oh darn. I guess this means we'll have to go to the gun store and check out all the pistols. :D

Probably going to stick with a 9mm for now. Plus, I have an uncle that probably will be able to procure a large amount of 9mm, so ammo won't be a concern for him.

I forgot about the Hi-Power. That is one of my favorite pistols.

Edit:

On a somewhat unrelated note, I've decided on Friday (payday), I'm going to go pick up that lever action .30-30...if it's still there...:pray:

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-11-2011, 07:44 AM

Just a pic of an AK-74 I have for sale at the moment.

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315659_2394697400193_1633681271_2304527_1740800787 _n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-12-2011, 04:09 AM

Just a pic of an AK-74 I have for sale at the moment.

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315659_2394697400193_1633681271_2304527_1740800787 _n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

I would ask how much, but I just bought the Winchester .30-30 yesterday. Got to go pick it up today, and hopefully will be able to hit the range on Monday or Tuesday, weather permitting.

I also found out I live about an hour and a half away from Rock River Arms HQ. Which is pretty sweet if I ever get one of their AR's. For a while I considered getting a RRA Tactical Operator 2, but I found the Sig556 shortly after, and the rest is history.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/products/purtacop2.gif

Maybe I will still buy one later in life.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-12-2011, 07:28 PM

I would ask how much, but I just bought the Winchester .30-30 yesterday. Got to go pick it up today, and hopefully will be able to hit the range on Monday or Tuesday, weather permitting.

Pretty sure it's sold to a local here just waiting on him to get back to me and I'm sure he'd like to look it over first.

I also found out I live about an hour and a half away from Rock River Arms HQ. Which is pretty sweet if I ever get one of their AR's. For a while I considered getting a RRA Tactical Operator 2, but I found the Sig556 shortly after, and the rest is history.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/products/purtacop2.gif

Maybe I will still buy one later in life.

I've been thinking about an AR15 again lately. I was thinking a 20" flat top with removable carry handle for a retro look but option for a good scope mount. However there is an AR-180 here locally with an Armalite scope on it that I'm thinking I'll get instead. One like this...

http://www.icollector.com/images/1618/17522/17522_1891_1_lg.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-12-2011, 08:00 PM

Pretty sure it's sold to a local here just waiting on him to get back to me and I'm sure he'd like to look it over first.

I was kidding about that. Not a huge fan of the AK, but still might pick one up eventually. I'm trying to build my familiarity with different weapon platforms and knowing the basics with an AK would be useful.

Just picked up my new Winchester Model 94. She's a beauty. The problem is, I don't know what to name her.

I'll post pictures when I'm able to find the camera.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-12-2011, 08:08 PM

I was kidding about that. Not a huge fan of the AK, but still might pick one up eventually. I'm trying to build my familiarity with different weapon platforms and knowing the basics with an AK would be useful.

xD I've had a little soft spot for the AK-74, however it just doesn't really get shot often so I figure it's a way to fund the AR-180 or another PTR-91.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-12-2011, 08:45 PM

xD I've had a little soft spot for the AK-74, however it just doesn't really get shot often so I figure it's a way to fund the AR-180 or another PTR-91.

For me, that soft spot is M1A/M14/M21's as well as American WWII weapons. I know I will buy one at some point in my life, it's just a matter of time and patience.

A little off topic, but I was reading this blog and came across this article

Bullpup M14: “M4 Size, M14 power" (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/22/bullpup-m14-m4-size-m14-power/)

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/opening-picture.jpg
I gotta get me one of those shirts.

I don't know what to think about it. They butchered an M14... I'd take a classic over one of them "tacticool" rifles any day.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-12-2011, 09:00 PM

For me, that soft spot is M1A/M14/M21's as well as American WWII weapons. I know I will buy one at some point in my life, it's just a matter of time and patience.

A little off topic, but I was reading this blog and came across this article

Bullpup M14: “M4 Size, M14 power" (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/09/22/bullpup-m14-m4-size-m14-power/)

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/opening-picture.jpg
I gotta get me one of those shirts.

I don't know what to think about it. They butchered an M14... I'd take a classic over one of them "tacticool" rifles any day.

Well I think you know my truest soft spot is for DRB rifles xD I found that mine out shot my brothers M1A and the AR-10 he replaced that one with xD it is a heavy bastard though, I'd say about 10+ pounds empty lol

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/320891_2135903450506_1633681271_2093709_8337850_n. jpg

Might (will) be getting another one, and hopefully a suppressor for that one xD.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-13-2011, 12:58 AM

Well I think you know my truest soft spot is for DRB rifles xD I found that mine out shot my brothers M1A and the AR-10 he replaced that one with xD it is a heavy bastard though, I'd say about 10+ pounds empty lol

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/320891_2135903450506_1633681271_2093709_8337850_n. jpg

My friend's Savage weighs about 9 pounds, but because of the bull barrel, the weight is all up front. I tried shooting it off hand...it didn't go so well...I completely missed the target (which was at 200 yards in my defense).

Might (will) be getting another one, and hopefully a suppressor for that one xD.

I wish suppressors were legal here...:( I have no real need for one, but I've always wanted to try one out. Especially on my Sig, since it is one of the louder 5.56's out there.

user472884

11-13-2011, 11:53 AM

My dad (and I) want to buy a 1911. Anybody recommend a manufacturer?

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-13-2011, 07:01 PM

My dad (and I) want to buy a 1911. Anybody recommend a manufacturer?

Springfield, S&W, Sig, Kimber, Wilson.... they are usually good to go out of the box

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-13-2011, 08:49 PM

My dad (and I) want to buy a 1911. Anybody recommend a manufacturer?

Springfield, S&W, Sig, Kimber, Wilson.... they are usually good to go out of the box

Don't forget Colt. I've also heard good things about the Ruger SR1911 (http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/models.html) and the Remington 1911 R1 (http://www.1911r1.com/Products/Firearms/Model-1911r1.aspx).

It really depends on how much you are willing to spend.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-13-2011, 09:01 PM

It really depends on how much you are willing to spend.

This is true, I'd say the Springfield is probably gonna be your best bang for your buck unless you know how a 1911 works and are willing to do some work. Then you can go to one of the cheaper brands yet.

Regards,

Jung

user472884

11-13-2011, 09:36 PM

I mean I'm willing to learn the workings of the gun, but I'm not about to go put a lot of time and effort to put a gun into a more pristine condition, ya know? We just don't want to buy one and say "Shit, we should've got that other one"

It's my dad, so if my dad wants it, he'll get it. Doesn't matter if it's $500 or $1500

We intend on getting a Glock 17 (mainly for me) so we have something that's just goddamn reliable, a 1911 (definitely for me) because I think 1911s are cool as shit and I love the way they feel in my hand, and we're still looking for a good 9mm for my dad because he bitches about the wide/plastic feeling he gets from the Glock.

WhiteFeather

11-14-2011, 02:51 AM

I mean I'm willing to learn the workings of the gun, but I'm not about to go put a lot of time and effort to put a gun into a more pristine condition, ya know? We just don't want to buy one and say "Shit, we should've got that other one"

You should learn the workings of the gun for cleaning and maintenance anyway. And if you're afraid of choosing the wrong one, do your research. Choosing a gun isn't easy. Personally I spent literally 7 months deciding on which rifle to buy first.

It's my dad, so if my dad wants it, he'll get it. Doesn't matter if it's $500 or $1500

We intend on getting a Glock 17 (mainly for me) so we have something that's just goddamn reliable, a 1911 (definitely for me) because I think 1911s are cool as shit and I love the way they feel in my hand, and we're still looking for a good 9mm for my dad because he bitches about the wide/plastic feeling he gets from the Glock.

Your dad has a point. You shouldn't buy a gun if it doesn't feel right in your hands; for everyone it's different. I'm not a huge fan of Glocks myself. In my opinion, 90% of deciding on a gun has to do with how it feels in your hands.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-14-2011, 06:59 AM

Taxi Driver Aaron

11-14-2011, 02:00 PM

Has anyone seen that show American Guns or Sons of Guns? those shows are pretty cool.

WhiteFeather

11-14-2011, 02:32 PM

Picture of my new(used) Winchester 94, Belle.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/Photo0023.jpg

My Weatherby Vanguard Sporter, Lilly.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/Photo0024.jpg

Edit:

Has anyone seen that show American Guns or Sons of Guns? those shows are pretty cool.

American Guns piss me off. That guy is a total A-Hole and his family are just obnoxious. It is cool how they make some of their own guns from scratch though. I prefer Sons of Guns because those people are tolerable. They seem to care more for their customers than the AG guys, who care more for profit. A few of the guns they make, however, are kinda lame.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-14-2011, 07:41 PM

Has anyone seen that show American Guns or Sons of Guns? those shows are pretty cool.

I'd rather see pictures and read about Turbothis's build than watch what they do to most of those guns xD. One like this....

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm129/jung159/303AKjpg.jpg

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

11-15-2011, 08:23 AM

So you HAVE seen those shows! lol!... I like both of them. I think it is cool how they make custom guns. I want to make some that look like nick cage's guns in "Face Off" ... I'd post a pic but I'm typing from my phone right now.

Taxi Driver Aaron

11-15-2011, 08:29 AM

actually nm... I take that back... I can do waaay better... and gold is tacky... I prefer a black or chrome .45

WhiteFeather

11-15-2011, 05:48 PM

I'd rather see pictures and read about Turbothis's build than watch what they do to most of those guns xD. One like this....

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm129/jung159/303AKjpg.jpg

Regards,

Jung

:blink: Is there any benefit to having an AK chambered in 303 or did he build it just because he could?

So you HAVE seen those shows! lol!... I like both of them. I think it is cool how they make custom guns. I want to make some that look like nick cage's guns in "Face Off" ... I'd post a pic but I'm typing from my phone right now.

I try to avoid movie prop-looking guns, although, the Punisher had some pretty sweet 1911's.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3449/1991ha2.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-15-2011, 08:23 PM

:blink: Is there any benefit to having an AK chambered in 303 or did he build it just because he could?

Ummm, cause .303 brit is kick ass, it's a lot like a 30/06 to be honest. That and he probably did it cause he thought it was a neat idea and no one has done it before.

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

11-15-2011, 09:54 PM

:blink: Is there any benefit to having an AK chambered in 303 or did he build it just because he could?

I try to avoid movie prop-looking guns, although, the Punisher had some pretty sweet 1911's.

True about avoiding movie prop-looking guns...

The Punisher had some sweet bow and arrows too... same with Rambo... I'd love to go boar hunting with those!... I think Rambo had a better bow though.. the Punisher's is for pussies....

http://cuzoogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/feature_00033_top_10_movie_bow_and_arrows_the_puni sher.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/0/0a/Rambo08Bow-1.jpg/550px-Rambo08Bow-1.jpg

WhiteFeather

11-15-2011, 10:06 PM

True about avoiding movie prop-looking guns...

The Punisher had some sweet bow and arrows too... same with Rambo... I'd love to go boar hunting with those!... I think Rambo had a better bow though.. the Punisher's is for pussies....

http://cuzoogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/feature_00033_top_10_movie_bow_and_arrows_the_puni sher.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/0/0a/Rambo08Bow-1.jpg/550px-Rambo08Bow-1.jpg

Compound bows aren't my cup of tea. They take the skill and strength out of bows.

While I like the Punisher, and that movie was alright, what kinda bothered me was how for the entire movie it shows him cleaning that sawn off shotgun. Yet he only shoots it twice, at the end of the movie, and even after those two he throws it away.

On an unrelated note, I just got back from the range a couple of hours ago; I found out that pumpkins are really fun to shoot. Especially with Belle, she makes the back of the pumpkins explode. Lever actions are so much fun.

Edit:

I lied about movie guns:

Colt Walker (The Outlaw Josey Wales)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/1847Colt_Walker.jpg

Smith and Wesson M29 (Dirty Harry series)
http://i53.tinypic.com/wlsmtw.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-17-2011, 08:22 AM

I lied about movie guns:

Colt Walker (The Outlaw Josey Wales)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/1847Colt_Walker.jpg

Smith and Wesson M29 (Dirty Harry series)
http://i53.tinypic.com/wlsmtw.jpg

Well if you're counting production guns as prop guns, then I don't own a single one that wouldn't be considered one :p. Other than maybe the Gewr 88 :p

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/300626_2132464924545_1633681271_2089633_1931273_n. jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-17-2011, 08:49 AM

Well if you're counting production guns as prop guns, then I don't own a single one that wouldn't be considered one :p. Other than maybe the Gewr 88 :p

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/300626_2132464924545_1633681271_2089633_1931273_n. jpg

Regards,

Jung

Man, I wish the gun stores near me had a better used gun section. They all are pretty lame. Occasionally a good gun is put out, but it is quickly bought and I'm not able to go to those stores often enough to encounter the good ones.

I would consider production guns made famous by the movies to be "prop guns". Take the M29. After Dirty Harry was released, gun stores couldn't keep them in stock. But others like the AR-15 are in almost every modern war movie, so I wouldn't consider those.

Speaking of AR-15's, I had the pleasure of shooting a Rock River LAR-15 Standard A2. A very basic, vanilla AR, but incredibly accurate and very easy to handle. Not to mention very well balanced and had a very nice two stage trigger. The grip was a little small, but wasn't a big deal. I think I know what company AR I'm going to get in the future.

http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/rra_ar1280.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-17-2011, 06:43 PM

Man, I wish the gun stores near me had a better used gun section. They all are pretty lame. Occasionally a good gun is put out, but it is quickly bought and I'm not able to go to those stores often enough to encounter the good ones.

Meh that one was found at a Gun show but there are some nice used ones at a local shop. The Gewr 88 is actually the first German Military Rifle to use smokeless powder and many were rechambered into 7.92x57 (8mm Mauser in American lingo) by the Turks. I figure this one has probably seen action in 3 wars. I've fired it maybe a whole 15 times the fewest rounds though any gun I own and will probably stay that way for a while.

I would consider production guns made famous by the movies to be "prop guns". Take the M29. After Dirty Harry was released, gun stores couldn't keep them in stock. But others like the AR-15 are in almost every modern war movie, so I wouldn't consider those.

Meh I consider modified guns to be props. And when someone offers you a .44 magnum "just say no, I want a .41" xD

Speaking of AR-15's, I had the pleasure of shooting a Rock River LAR-15 Standard A2. A very basic, vanilla AR, but incredibly accurate and very easy to handle. Not to mention very well balanced and had a very nice two stage trigger. The grip was a little small, but wasn't a big deal. I think I know what company AR I'm going to get in the future.

http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/rra_ar1280.jpg

Rock River makes a pretty good AR, I'd still go for a Colt, Armalite, or Bushmaster myself though, or once again a custom build of my own :p. ARs are incredibly easy to "assemble" from what I know of them.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-17-2011, 07:12 PM

Rock River makes a pretty good AR, I'd still go for a Colt, Armalite, or Bushmaster myself though, or once again a custom build of my own :p. ARs are incredibly easy to "assemble" from what I know of them.

The thing about Armalite or Bushmaster AR's are the price. They are around $1500 and up whereas Rock River's are around $1000. With that $500, you could get optics, a few extra magazines and ammo. Plus a free lifetime warranty, should any problems arise.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-17-2011, 09:04 PM

The thing about Armalite or Bushmaster AR's are the price. They are around $1500 and up whereas Rock River's are around $1000. With that $500, you could get optics, a few extra magazines and ammo. Plus a free lifetime warranty, should any problems arise.

Armalite yes more spendy, Bushmasters I've found to be on par pricewise with Rock River and a little more than DPMS. I just find Bushmasters to have a little tighter fit which is a lot in the AR world. Like I say though Rock River does make a fine AR, I'm just a little biased, maybe it's cause of what a Vendor once said at a gun show trying to knock other brands.

Wouldn't mind one of thee A3s

http://www.bushmaster.com/competition_rifles.asp?cat=16R

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-18-2011, 04:26 AM

Armalite yes more spendy, Bushmasters I've found to be on par pricewise with Rock River and a little more than DPMS. I just find Bushmasters to have a little tighter fit which is a lot in the AR world. Like I say though Rock River does make a fine AR, I'm just a little biased, maybe it's cause of what a Vendor once said at a gun show trying to knock other brands.

Wouldn't mind one of thee A3s

http://www.bushmaster.com/competition_rifles.asp?cat=16R

Regards,

Jung

While I really like the looks of the classic AR with fixed stock and carry handles, I prefer the M4/carbine style.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/products/purtaca4.gif

This is probably the model I'll buy in the future, only with an A2 carry handle. If I were to get an optic for it, I like the look of the sight through the carry handle.

http://www.ultimak.com/products/ap10604inst.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-18-2011, 07:46 AM

WhiteFeather

11-18-2011, 09:41 PM

I had an M4 at one time and the sight radius was just too short for every rear peep I had found, the peep was too big compared to the front sight if that makes sense. That and I prefer the retro style AR over the M4s. I also like the idea of a removable carry handle as I think mounting optics on top of it puts them a little high. If I do get an AR it'll be intended for varmints too. The PTR is for everything else. I'm pretty sure I'm going with the AR-180 though first and then we'll see what comes up later xD.

Regards,

Jung

While optics on top of a carry handle put them a little high, they clear them from the charging handle. I've heard stories of people that had to put risers (which I think look horrible) on their AR because the sight interfered with the charging handle (which is one reason why I like my SIG; the charging handle is on the side.

I like the earlier models of the M4/CAR-15. As a friend put it, nowadays people are hanging their coffeemakers off it; they just have too much stuff on them. I would like to customize one as a sort of memorial/commemorative rifle to the ones used by Delta in Somalia in '93. If you've seen the movie Black Hawk Down, you'll know what I'm talking about. Don't know what I'd use it for besides target shooting. It isn't really a practical hunting gun.

http://i32.tinypic.com/212wo69.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-19-2011, 05:04 PM

As a friend put it, nowadays people are hanging their coffeemakers off it; they just have too much stuff on them.

but does it have a bottle of scope for a scope?

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/F7-Q-PkeO94" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-19-2011, 09:22 PM

but does it have a bottle of scope for a scope?

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/F7-Q-PkeO94" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Regards,

Jung

No, it has a guitar for a stock. :p

http://www.gamernenas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/gun_guitar.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_95CwhVxJULc/R1eSsdrIBGI/AAAAAAAAAM0/79L9fcPY-0I/s400/gun_guitar_tierra_freak.jpg

Taxi Driver Aaron

11-22-2011, 12:27 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378401_307612002590929_183755481643249_1206823_148 4381932_n.jpg

Edit:

I am posting this as a link to the image to protect the eyes of those that wish to not see this... But here is a pic of what happens when someone shoots themselves in the foot!... literally!

Link: This is not for the squeamish ... (https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/302387_308690519149744_183755481643249_1210014_789 391242_n.jpg)

I heard that gun trainers call these things "negligent discharges" when they occur now rather than "accidents" because these things wouldn't happen if the gun holder new how to hold and respect a weapon.

WhiteFeather

11-22-2011, 09:12 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378401_307612002590929_183755481643249_1206823_148 4381932_n.jpg

Hopefully, that will be me in the future... 3:)
I don't know if I'd keep the mags loaded though. That can wear the springs down to the point it might not feed properly.

I heard that gun trainers call these things "negligent discharges" when they occur now rather than "accidents" because these things wouldn't happen if the gun holder new how to hold and respect a weapon.

That is 100% true.

Basic Gun Safety (http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp) courtesy of the NRA.

If every gun owner followed these basic rules, there would be no gun-related "accidents". But unfortunately, that is just wishful thinking.

While we're on the topic of gun motivationals...

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/Stealie/1911.jpg

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/halofanon/images/thumb/5/5d/Gun-ownership-demotivational-poster.jpg/500px-Gun-ownership-demotivational-poster.jpg

http://gi113.photobucket.com/groups/n202/F76GY4X3AO/anti-gun-politicians-democrat-repub.jpg

http://trentonstahl.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/de_motivational_poster_by_minion_kurchek.jpg

I actually had this happen to me the other day when I got back from the range. They saw me pull out my range bag and 2 rifle cases, and I heard them gasp across the street. What fun, what fun. :D

Taxi Driver Aaron

11-22-2011, 09:24 PM

http://trentonstahl.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/de_motivational_poster_by_minion_kurchek.jpg

I actually had this happen to me the other day when I got back from the range. They saw me pull out my range bag and 2 rifle cases, and I heard them gasp across the street. What fun, what fun. :D

LOL!!!

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x365/horstmann8/45acpjpg.jpg

http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=4468&pid=16927

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/Optimism.jpg

http://forums.corral.net/photopost/data/517/medium/diversity2.jpg

WhiteFeather

11-22-2011, 10:26 PM

This has been a pet peeve of mine:

http://www.reoiv.com/images/random/clipmag.jpg

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/poster33090609rc9.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp279/WarHawk-AVG/MagazinevsClip.jpg

Spread the word. (Note: This was not directed at anyone in particular, it has just been nagging me for a while)

On an unrelated note, I want this shotgun:

Arming Yourself for the Zombie Apocalypse: How to Build the Ultimate Survival Shotgun (http://artofmanliness.com/2011/07/11/how-to-make-a-survival-shotgun/)

http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads//2011/06/survival-shot-gun-kit-contents.jpg

http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads//2011/06/survival-shotgun-saw.jpg

http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads//2011/06/survival-shotgun-bandana.jpg

That site is pretty sweet.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-23-2011, 08:12 AM

Hopefully, that will be me in the future... 3:)
I don't know if I'd keep the mags loaded though. That can wear the springs down to the point it might not feed properly.

The loading and unloading of the magazines is what is hard on the springs. Unless the spring is already worn out keeping them hot will not affect the spring life. I've seen 1911 magazines that have been loaded for 70+ years function flawlessly. For what it's worth I have at least that many G3 magazines xD, and I do use them for storing my ammo that way they are ready to go when needed.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/Optimism.jpg

The Mosin Nagant has a curious site system beings it is a more modern rifle that is set up for Volly fire and the increments are in a completely different measurement that is close to a meter but not quite.

Just some of the ammo with the P7 and pop's High Standard

http://hphotos-sea1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/252568_1951712525848_1633681271_1917121_7272224_n. jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-23-2011, 08:51 AM

The loading and unloading of the magazines is what is hard on the springs. Unless the spring is already worn out keeping them hot will not affect the spring life. I've seen 1911 magazines that have been loaded for 70+ years function flawlessly. For what it's worth I have at least that many G3 magazines xD, and I do use them for storing my ammo that way they are ready to go when needed.

Thanks for the clarification. I was always taught to not keep loaded mags and keep the ammo locked up away in a different container in a different part of the room. Then again, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it might be a law here in Communist Illinois, since there are minors in the house.

Just some of the ammo with the P7 and pop's High Standard

http://hphotos-sea1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/252568_1951712525848_1633681271_1917121_7272224_n. jpg

What caliber is the High Standard? I've never seen that gun before.

Another topic me and a few friends are debating is dryfiring. What is your take on it? I've been taught it can damage the pin, especially with precision rifles, so I use snap caps. However, I know people who are adamant that it does nothing to your gun.

Taxi Driver Aaron

11-23-2011, 09:46 AM

I was always taught to not keep loaded mags and keep the ammo locked up away in a different container in a different part of the room. Then again, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it might be a law here in Communist Illinois, since there are minors in the house.

Illinois has unique gun laws to all the other states, however everyone is taught to keep the ammo separate from the gun in school. Newbies should error on the safe side until they become more experienced with handling a gun. We spend the rest of our lives unlearning that rule and learning to keep the gun ready for personal protection at all times.

Taxi Driver Aaron

11-23-2011, 09:52 AM

http://hphotos-sea1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/252568_1951712525848_1633681271_1917121_7272224_n. jpg

I never really understood why people put a scope on a pistol. That's like putting binoculars on a sword.

WhiteFeather

11-23-2011, 10:16 AM

I never really understood why people put a scope on a pistol. That's like putting binoculars on a sword.

I saw this one guy who put a scope on a .22 revolver. I too dislike scopes on pistols/handguns, but what put me over the edge with this guy was, he was engaging targets no more than 10-15 yards away...

:facepalm:

And he was missing...

:facepalm:

A lot...

:facepalm:

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-23-2011, 08:59 PM

What caliber is the High Standard? I've never seen that gun before.

.22 lr. and is one of the finest .22 pistols most people even have the means to afford.

Another topic me and a few friends are debating is dryfiring. What is your take on it? I've been taught it can damage the pin, especially with precision rifles, so I use snap caps. However, I know people who are adamant that it does nothing to your gun.

It's really hard on rim fire guns like .22s, however on center fire guns with good strong firing pins you should be fine, nothing wrong with using snap caps though.

I never really understood why people put a scope on a pistol. That's like putting binoculars on a sword.

That High Standard will outshoot most .22 rifles, I'm hitting 2" targets at 100 yards everytime with any ammo I use from the cheapest Remington gold box up to the most expensive match ammo I have. Which I find damn good for a 5" barrel, I know a lot of people who can't hit that with their scoped high power rifles much less .22 pistols. Honestly it's probably the 3rd if not 2nd most accurate gun at 100 yards that is in this house :p which says a little something.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-24-2011, 12:52 PM

I know a lot of people who can't hit that with their scoped high power rifles much less .22 pistols.

There were a group of guys at my church that would get together at someone's farm and basically have a day of shooting. Really, it was just to get together and socialize, but people would always show off their guns. You'd see people pull out all these expensive guns and what not, but 90% could not hit crap. It was almost scary how often these guys would miss. And it wasn't even that far out (between 5-20 yds at most for pistols, maybe 50 yds for rifles). As I've said I'm relatively new to shooting, and I was outshooting these guys who have been shooting for years (Not to blow my own horn, but I would say I'm a pretty decent shot though).

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-24-2011, 01:01 PM

There were a group of guys at my church that would get together at someone's farm and basically have a day of shooting. Really, it was just to get together and socialize, but people would always show off their guns. You'd see people pull out all these expensive guns and what not, but 90% could not hit crap. It was almost scary how often these guys would miss. And it wasn't even that far out (between 5-20 yds at most for pistols, maybe 50 yds for rifles). As I've said I'm relatively new to shooting, and I was outshooting these guys who have been shooting for years (Not to blow my own horn, but I would say I'm a pretty decent shot though).

xD I usually keep the pistol shooting to 25 yards at most, however the High Standard is just so accurate that I gotta go back to the 100 mark for a while. The .357 will bang those 2" targets at 25 damn near every time with open sites too. with rifles I shoot anywhere from 50-600 usually, have taken some longer shots but not often. Don't shoot a lot of paper, as I'm much better at hitting targets than grouping on paper, don't know why it's an odd thing.

A couple years ago I ended up sighting my .243 in while deer hunting, didn't realize the rifle got knocked hard and threw the scope off to the right 2 feet ended up taking 3 shots at 400 to shoot that buck through the antler none the less which was a little higher than I wanted but it did the job.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-24-2011, 01:15 PM

xD I usually keep the pistol shooting to 25 yards at most, however the High Standard is just so accurate that I gotta go back to the 100 mark for a while. The .357 will bang those 2" targets at 25 damn near every time with open sites too. with rifles I shoot anywhere from 50-600 usually, have taken some longer shots but not often. Don't shoot a lot of paper, as I'm much better at hitting targets than grouping on paper, don't know why it's an odd thing.

Recently, we've been bringing odd targets around the house to shoot up at the range (my favorite has to be my employee of the month plaque). And I've found that I also am slightly more accurate when shooting targets than paper. What was really fun was shooting water bottles strapped with CO2 cartridges (or "suicide bombers" as I called them).

My best friend, who really kicked me into buying a gun, is probably the best shooter I've seen, but everytime we went to a particular range, he would always do bad at pistols, but I would do better than normal. Which was kinda funny because I kept making fun of him, saying a newbie was outshooting him. Eventually he deduced that he for some reason, he gripped the gun differently. But everywhere else we go, he doesn't.

Funny how the tiniest things can make a rather noticeable difference when shooting.

A couple years ago I ended up sighting my .243 in while deer hunting, didn't realize the rifle got knocked hard and threw the scope off to the right 2 feet ended up taking 3 shots at 400 to shoot that buck through the antler none the less which was a little higher than I wanted but it did the job.

Regards,

Jung

Might be my lack of sleep (3 hours, hoo-rah), but did you shot the antler off? Don't you want to save those? Or were you hunting for the meat?

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-24-2011, 01:31 PM

Might be my lack of sleep (3 hours, hoo-rah), but did you shot the antler off? Don't you want to save those? Or were you hunting for the meat?

Like I said it was a little high, but it didn't shoot it off, but went in at the base of the antler leaving a little 1/4" hole in it.

Gonna try and run these through the .300 win mag when they show up next week too xD

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/677491/berger-tactical-bullets-30-caliber-308-diameter-230-grain-hybrid-open-tip-match-box-of-50

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-24-2011, 01:52 PM

Like I said it was a little high, but it didn't shoot it off, but went in at the base of the antler leaving a little 1/4" hole in it.

Gonna try and run these through the .300 win mag when they show up next week too xD

Regards,

Jung

Gotcha. Like I said, I'm running on little sleep, I can't sleep now, and I have to go into work 5 hours early today which is in like 4 hours.

If all goes as planned, me and a friend might go deer hunting with bows in late December, but bring the rifles for coyotes.

I really need to go hunting.

Edit:

I've been noticing that my Sig's been shooting pretty consistent groupings with 55 gr. Remington, despite the fact that it has a 1 in 7" twist. I may have to start trying different bullet weights with my reloads to see how they shoot through it now.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-25-2011, 07:27 AM

I've been noticing that my Sig's been shooting pretty consistent groupings with 55 gr. Remington, despite the fact that it has a 1 in 7" twist. I may have to start trying different bullet weights with my reloads to see how they shoot through it now.

I'm kinda on the opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to the twist rate of 5.56 barrels, unless I were planning on the heavier 75 gr. bullets. Personally when doing 55 gr. bullets out of a 5.56 I would go with a 1 in 12 twist rate or a 1 in 9 at the fastest. I say that simply from a wounding standpoint, the slower twist rate will stabilize the lighter bullet, but just barely. this near unstable flight with cause the bullet to almost immediately yaw on impact. Granted with soft points or ballistic tipped bullets the yawing is not needed. Usually the slowest twist rate to stabilize a particular bullet is the best way to go.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-25-2011, 12:50 PM

I'm kinda on the opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to the twist rate of 5.56 barrels, unless I were planning on the heavier 75 gr. bullets. Personally when doing 55 gr. bullets out of a 5.56 I would go with a 1 in 12 twist rate or a 1 in 9 at the fastest. I say that simply from a wounding standpoint, the slower twist rate will stabilize the lighter bullet, but just barely. this near unstable flight with cause the bullet to almost immediately yaw on impact. Granted with soft points or ballistic tipped bullets the yawing is not needed. Usually the slowest twist rate to stabilize a particular bullet is the best way to go.

Regards,

Jung

That's why I'm a little confused. According to most sites I looked at, a 1 in 7 tend to throw 55 gr. bullets all over the target. Some people were saying 7-8" "groupings" with their rifles when they used 55. But mine will shoot about 2"-4" groupings at 100 yards.

This is a target I found lurking on a Sig Forum:

http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20556/100%20Yards%20Ten%20Shots.jpg
For comparison, that is about the same size groupings, add about 1-1.5", that I get when using cheapy 55 gr ammo. Let's just say, by the time the shooting is over, the 9 and 10 rings (on the targets I use, his are a little bigger) are shot up, and the 8 has some hits in there as well. I'll have to take a picture next time I go.

I should mention that this particular shooter shot this target at 100 yds prone offhand, with an EOTech. I use a bipod/foregrip and a 4x scope.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-26-2011, 01:11 PM

That's why I'm a little confused. According to most sites I looked at, a 1 in 7 tend to throw 55 gr. bullets all over the target. Some people were saying 7-8" "groupings" with their rifles when they used 55. But mine will shoot about 2"-4" groupings at 100 yards.

This is a target I found lurking on a Sig Forum:

http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20556/100%20Yards%20Ten%20Shots.jpg
For comparison, that is about the same size groupings, add about 1-1.5", that I get when using cheapy 55 gr ammo. Let's just say, by the time the shooting is over, the 9 and 10 rings (on the targets I use, his are a little bigger) are shot up, and the 8 has some hits in there as well. I'll have to take a picture next time I go.

I should mention that this particular shooter shot this target at 100 yds prone offhand, with an EOTech. I use a bipod/foregrip and a 4x scope.

The biggest problem you may have with the fast twist rate on light bullets would be possible bullet break up, It is rare, but it can happen. If your particular gun shoots them good then by all means continue. Usually a faster twist rate will stabilize the lighter bullets woo along with the heavier, but the opposite rarely happens.

Regards,

Jung

Edit:

So yeah I am a revolver addict.

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/389011_2480225058331_1633681271_2340572_608775296_ n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-26-2011, 01:27 PM

So yeah I am a revolver addict.

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/389011_2480225058331_1633681271_2340572_608775296_ n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

New?

Unless I find a better deal in store, I plan on buying this revolver once I'm 21 (only 1 year and 4 months to go :().

Uberti 1858 New Army Conversion
http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1858_new_army_conversion_lg.jpg

I would prefer it in .45 Colt, but I'm not too picky on that.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-26-2011, 01:52 PM

New?

Used and a hell of a deal, 8" S&W 686 in .357 magnum with a Leupold M8-2X scope.all for seven and a quarter. Very smooth like all S&Ws and good cylinder lockup. Hopefully gonna be a 100 yard deer pistol for me, plan on testing it out tonight or this afternoon.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-26-2011, 02:02 PM

Used and a hell of a deal, 8" S&W 686 in .357 magnum with a Leupold M8-2X scope. all for seven and a quarter. Very smooth like all S&Ws and good cylinder lockup. Hopefully gonna be a 100 yard deer pistol for me, plan on testing it out tonight or this afternoon.

Regards,

Jung

Very nice. That is one good lookin' revolver. I kinda prefer the classic wooden hand grips over the modern black plastic ones. Don't know why, but I think they look a lot nicer.

Are .357's good deer hunting rounds? I thought they were a little on the small side.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-26-2011, 04:19 PM

Very nice. That is one good lookin' revolver. I kinda prefer the classic wooden hand grips over the modern black plastic ones. Don't know why, but I think they look a lot nicer.

Are .357's good deer hunting rounds? I thought they were a little on the small side.

The Houge Rubber grips are actually very comfortable.

The .357 is a fine Deer round, load em up with a nice 158 gr. bullet and you got a bullet that will penetrate and expand quite well out to 100 yards at least

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-27-2011, 12:20 AM

The Houge Rubber grips are actually very comfortable.

The .357 is a fine Deer round, load em up with a nice 158 gr. bullet and you got a bullet that will penetrate and expand quite well out to 100 yards at least

Regards,

Jung

In terms of comfort, I do find modern handgrips to be more comfortable, however, in terms of aesthetics, I prefer the looks of classic wooden grips.

I guess I never figured handgun rounds to be serious hunting rounds. I don't think I'll be able to take down a deer with one anytime soon. I'll stick with a .308 for now, until I get more experience hunting.

Edit:

Just read about these in a gun magazine:

Kruger Dual Tactical Sight (http://www.krugeroptical.com/ko-tactical-scopes-next.asp)

http://www.krugeroptical.com/images/product_pics/63335.jpg

I think it's pretty cool, and if they didn't cost more than my rifle, I would consider buying one. Not crazy about the design (too boxy), but to be able to switch from a red dot to a scope instantly is pretty sweet.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-27-2011, 10:57 AM

In terms of comfort, I do find modern handgrips to be more comfortable, however, in terms of aesthetics, I prefer the looks of classic wooden grips.

I guess I never figured handgun rounds to be serious hunting rounds. I don't think I'll be able to take down a deer with one anytime soon. I'll stick with a .308 for now, until I get more experience hunting.

A .357 pushing a 158 gr bullet at about 1500 FPS will put down any deer I've seen :p If need be I could step up to a 180 gr bullet too, but I find that it would probably be overkill for Deer specially for my shooting style. Neck shots only, either they drop or I miss.

Edit:

Just read about these in a gun magazine:

Kruger Dual Tactical Sight (http://www.krugeroptical.com/ko-tactical-scopes-next.asp)

http://www.krugeroptical.com/images/product_pics/63335.jpg

I think it's pretty cool, and if they didn't cost more than my rifle, I would consider buying one. Not crazy about the design (too boxy), but to be able to switch from a red dot to a scope instantly is pretty sweet.

Looks interesting, but I think I'll stick with a fixed 2 or 4 power scope for such conditions, either that or a red dot with a flip up doubler.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-27-2011, 11:34 AM

Neck shots only, either they drop or I miss.

Well aren't you hardcore? :p

Just kidding, that's awesome. In time, hopefully I will be able to hit that as well.

Looks interesting, but I think I'll stick with a fixed 2 or 4 power scope for such conditions, either that or a red dot with a flip up doubler.

Regards,

Jung

For me, I'd probably put it on my Sig, because at the range I go to, they have a pistol range that goes from 10-50 yds and a 100-200yd range. When I first got my Sig, I got a basic BSA Multi-Reticle sight, but later on picked up a 1-4x Nikon. It would be nice to be able to have both a short and long range sight. I could then practice CQB at the pistol with the red dot, then walk over to the rifle range, flip a switch and do some long distance shooting.

But, that is all wishful thinking, as they cost more than the Sig itself.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-27-2011, 11:47 AM

Well aren't you hardcore? :p

Just kidding, that's awesome. In time, hopefully I will be able to hit that as well.

:p it's not too hard. I've done it for quite a while now, ever since I hit one in the vitals and had to track it for 2 plus miles. Which makes taking those neck shot so much easier, haven't had one that hasn't dropped dead in it's tracks since.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-27-2011, 06:49 PM

:p it's not too hard. I've done it for quite a while now, ever since I hit one in the vitals and had to track it for 2 plus miles. Which makes taking those neck shot so much easier, haven't had one that hasn't dropped dead in it's tracks since.

Regards,

Jung

Sounds like fun. *end sarcasm*

Have you ever hunted deer with shotgun slugs? I've been thinking about it since deer in Illinois can only be hunted with bows or shotguns, and I would like to take a deer with a firearm, without having to leave the state.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-27-2011, 07:08 PM

Sounds like fun. *end sarcasm*

Have you ever hunted deer with shotgun slugs? I've been thinking about it since deer in Illinois can only be hunted with bows or shotguns, and I would like to take a deer with a firearm, without having to leave the state.

A 12 gauge slug will put down about anything out to at least 100 yards. My dad and one brother used to hunt with 20 gauge slugs too with great results. A shotgun will actually out penetrate most rifles at that distance, a slow heavy payload will always outperform a fast light one. They make great brush guns too xD, give it a try and see how it turns out for you.

Regards,

Jung

Edit:

I'm thinking I might try something like this out of the new 8" .357. see how they do anyway and maybe start casting my own next year xD.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/247808/cast-performance-bullets-38-caliber-358-diameter-200-grain-lead-wide-long-nose-gas-check-box-of-100

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-27-2011, 07:27 PM

A 12 gauge slug will put down about anything out to at least 100 yards. My dad and one brother used to hunt with 20 gauge slugs too with great results. A shotgun will actually out penetrate most rifles at that distance, a slow heavy payload will always outperform a fast light one. They make great brush guns too xD, give it a try and see how it turns out for you.

Regards,

Jung

I just found out I'm gonna miss the window for firearm deer season by about 2 weeks. This whole hunter safety course requirement is bull. Hypothetically, someone who has never held a firearm, but was born before 1980, can buy a permit, but anyone after that cannot without this stupid course.

At least coyote season is year round. Speaking of, what is a reasonable caliber to use on coyotes (as in kills but not totally mutilates)? I was thinking of using the Sig, but don't know if the .223/5.56 is enough to take one down. If not, I can use the Weatherby.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-27-2011, 07:35 PM

I just found out I'm gonna miss the window for firearm deer season by about 2 weeks. This whole hunter safety course requirement is bull. Hypothetically, someone who has never held a firearm, but was born before 1980, can buy a permit, but anyone after that cannot without this stupid course.

At least coyote season is year round. Speaking of, what is a reasonable caliber to use on coyotes (as in kills but not totally mutilates)? I was thinking of using the Sig, but don't know if the .223/5.56 is enough to take one down. If not, I can use the Weatherby.

.223 is a very common Coyote round, I have a friend who uses nothing but a 20" AR for Coyotes. A light round is actually preferable as to not damage the pelt. I have toyed with 110 gr. .30 calibers, but I think I'll just use a FMJ or match bullet of a heavier weight for Coyotes. The one .30 cal bullet I tried (speer 110 gr hollow point) has a balistic coefficient that is less than any of my .357 or 9mm bullets I use lol. the bullet drops 5 feet between 300 and 400 yards, out of a .300 win mag. Would be fine up to those ranges though.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-27-2011, 07:45 PM

.223 is a very common Coyote round, I have a friend who uses nothing but a 20" AR for Coyotes. A light round is actually preferable as to not damage the pelt. I have toyed with 110 gr. .30 calibers, but I think I'll just use a FMJ or match bullet of a heavier weight for Coyotes. The one .30 cal bullet I tried (speer 110 gr hollow point) has a balistic coefficient that is less than any of my .357 or 9mm bullets I use lol. the bullet drops 5 feet between 300 and 400 yards, out of a .300 win mag. Would be fine up to those ranges though.

Regards,

Jung

Guess I'll just stick with the Sig, then. Now all I have to do is practice some more (and by practice, I mean find an excuse to go shooting again). Since pelts are the most valuable part of a coyote, you'd want penetration correct? So it would be best to use FMJ's and avoid hollow points?

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-27-2011, 07:52 PM

Guess I'll just stick with the Sig, then. Now all I have to do is practice some more (and by practice, I mean find an excuse to go shooting again). Since pelts are the most valuable part of a coyote, you'd want penetration correct? So it would be best to use FMJ's and avoid hollow points?

With the .223 I don't think you have to worry too much, my buddy uses wolf match hollow points if I recall correctly. Match bullets don't exactly expand very much either. I know a few people who use the V-max with good results too, they typically don't exit. The Ideal shot is actually one where they Coyote is facing you and place it right in his chest, a .223 shouldn't exit and they will simply spral out right there. but things aren't always ideal in real life xD

regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-27-2011, 07:58 PM

With the .223 I don't think you have to worry too much, my buddy uses wolf match hollow points if I recall correctly. Match bullets don't exactly expand very much either. I know a few people who use the V-max with good results too, they typically don't exit. The Ideal shot is actually one where they Coyote is facing you and place it right in his chest, a .223 shouldn't exit and they will simply spral out right there. but things aren't always ideal in real life xD

regards,

Jung

Good to know. I'm trying to learn as much as I can beforehand so I can avoid screwing up in the field. I kinda wish there were others in my immediate family that could have taught me this stuff when I was younger, but better late than never, I suppose.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-27-2011, 08:00 PM

Good to know. I'm trying to learn as much as I can beforehand so I can avoid screwing up in the field. I kinda wish there were others in my immediate family that could have taught me this stuff when I was younger, but better late than never, I suppose.

:p You can get all the advice in the world, but the best way to learn is still out in the field. I'm sure you will do just fine, just have to be patient. If something doesn't work out quite like you planned one time then next time maybe try something a little different.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-27-2011, 08:04 PM

:p You can get all the advice in the world, but the best way to learn is still out in the field. I'm sure you will do just fine, just have to be patient. If something doesn't work out quite like you planned one time then next time maybe try something a little different.

Regards,

Jung

Very true. I just like to have an idea of how to do something before I try it myself. That way I'm not wasting my time with elementary mistakes, and can adapt what I know to fit my needs.

But as you said, experience is the best teacher.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-27-2011, 08:09 PM

I think you will do just fine, feel free to ask questions though sometimes it is nice to have a little help on that end xD. Might actually take one of the .357's out on some coyotes this year if I'm able to get out to call some this year anyway. It's been a bad year for shooting this year for some reason. I've only have the rifles out maybe 3 times other than testing out loads or new setups :(.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-27-2011, 08:24 PM

It's been a bad year for shooting this year for some reason. I've only have the rifles out maybe 3 times other than testing out loads or new setups :(.

Regards,

Jung

Bummer :(

This year has probably been the best year for gun related things in my life anyway. I got my FOID in January, first gun in May, second in July, third in September and fourth in October. I've also drastically improved since I started shooting last year. And hopefully I will go hunting for the first time in December.

Edit:

feel free to ask questions though

In that case, here's a question for you: Is this, or is it not the ugliest gun you've seen?

Chiappa Rhino

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/5508044446_e9f4f56365_z.jpg

I don't know what it is about it, but every time I see it, I can't help but think how ugly it is and I even get a little pissed off at it.

It's not just that gun, I also have an unnatural hatred towards the Taurus Judge. Don't know why, just do.

http://shanedaughtry.com/images/taurus-judge.gif

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-27-2011, 09:05 PM

Bummer :(

This year has probably been the best year for gun related things in my life anyway. I got my FOID in January, first gun in May, second in July, third in September and fourth in October. I've also drastically improved since I started shooting last year. And hopefully I will go hunting for the first time in December.

just been working a lot this year and don't have much time during the day, so I load at night to supply for when I do xD. Trying something new tonight actually, putting small rifle primers in the .357 behind a load of H110 in hopes that it will all burn by time the bullet leaves the barrel, which it should in the 8" one. Hopefully test them out at the indoor range tomorrow, and hopefully they work out well and aren't over pressured now. xD

In that case, here's a question for you: Is this, or is it not the ugliest gun you've seen?

Chiappa Rhino

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/5508044446_e9f4f56365_z.jpg

I don't know what it is about it, but every time I see it, I can't help but think how ugly it is and I even get a little pissed off at it.

It's not just that gun, I also have an unnatural hatred towards the Taurus Judge. Don't know why, just do.

http://shanedaughtry.com/images/taurus-judge.gif

I believe the Hi Point is one of the ugliest ones I've seen.

http://tgscom.com/images/sharedimages/GunSourceFrontPage/Images/HiPointPic.jpg

Good for one magazine and then you just as well throw it at someone instead as it's bound to malfunction after that.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-27-2011, 09:16 PM

just been working a lot this year and don't have much time during the day, so I load at night to supply for when I do xD. Trying something new tonight actually, putting small rifle primers in the .357 behind a load of H110 in hopes that it will all burn by time the bullet leaves the barrel, which it should in the 8" one. Hopefully test them out at the indoor range tomorrow, and hopefully they work out well and aren't over pressured now. xD

That's one benefit to working nights, you have the entire day to do what you want (the downside is if you're up all day you still have to work all night).

I believe the Hi Point is one of the ugliest ones I've seen.

http://tgscom.com/images/sharedimages/GunSourceFrontPage/Images/HiPointPic.jpg

Good for one magazine and then you just as well throw it at someone instead as it's bound to malfunction after that.

Regards,

Jung

Before I saw the picture, I misread that as the High Power. Which I would have had to disagree with, because it is a very sexy gun.

http://i48.tinypic.com/rmtirp.jpg

If I had to describe it in one word: Beautiful.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-27-2011, 09:27 PM

That's one benefit to working nights, you have the entire day to do what you want (the downside is if you're up all day you still have to work all night).

I didn't mind working nights cause I did get a lot of stuff done, I slept even less than I do now xD

Before I saw the picture, I misread that as the High Power. Which I would have had to disagree with, because it is a very sexy gun.

http://i48.tinypic.com/rmtirp.jpg

If I had to describe it in one word: Beautiful.

I love the High Power, hopefully get one someday xD.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-27-2011, 09:45 PM

I didn't mind working nights cause I did get a lot of stuff done, I slept even less than I do now xD

Since October, I've been averaging about 3-4 hours per night (er, day). But on my days off, I'll sometimes sleep a good 10-12. :D

I love the High Power, hopefully get one someday xD.

Regards,

Jung

Just was looking up the High Power on Gun Broker; they are a lot cheaper than I previously thought. I thought they were in the $1000's, but some go for around 500. That gun might happen sooner rather than later. (I have a list of what order I'm going to buy pistols when I'm older, so the HP just moved up a little).

Taxi Driver Aaron

11-27-2011, 10:26 PM

I am getting ready to go hog hunting with bow and arrows. Thinking of taking a 1911 with me for short range protection in case I miss. Those guys tend to charge when they get pissed!

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-28-2011, 02:06 AM

Since October, I've been averaging about 3-4 hours per night (er, day). But on my days off, I'll sometimes sleep a good 10-12. :D

3-4 is my average when working days with one longer one every now and then.

Just was looking up the High Power on Gun Broker; they are a lot cheaper than I previously thought. I thought they were in the $1000's, but some go for around 500. That gun might happen sooner rather than later. (I have a list of what order I'm going to buy pistols when I'm older, so the HP just moved up a little).[/QUOTE]

Indeed get them while they are cheap again

I am getting ready to go hog hunting with bow and arrows. Thinking of taking a 1911 with me for short range protection in case I miss. Those guys tend to charge when they get pissed!

I'd prefer a Wheelgun for such things, but I think a 1911 would suffice it is one of the finer autos made.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-28-2011, 02:57 AM

I am getting ready to go hog hunting with bow and arrows.

What kind of bow do you use? I've been looking recently into buying a recurve or long bow. Is there a certain company you recommend?

Thinking of taking a 1911 with me for short range protection in case I miss. Those guys tend to charge when they get pissed!

Or you could just not miss... :p

Just kidding. :D

3-4 is my average when working days with one longer one every now and then.

Working nights was probably one of my more boneheaded decision as, naturally, I am a day person. However, it is getting me more prepared to work hard with little to no sleep (I hope to enlist within this coming year).

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-28-2011, 08:47 PM

These Bergers are gonna be sweet xD

http://hphotos-iad1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/308293_2494690059947_1633681271_2347348_1906976634 _n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/386086_2494675539584_1633681271_2347332_2137220166 _n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

Un-rêve

11-28-2011, 09:40 PM

Before I saw the picture, I misread that as the High Power. Which I would have had to disagree with, because it is a very sexy gun.

If I had to describe it in one word: Beautiful.

How about this!

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XUZMK7fBiZU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Check out the 0:30 min mark! Beautiful!

WhiteFeather

11-29-2011, 12:06 AM

How about this!

Check out the 0:30 min mark! Beautiful!

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P226-CombatTB-hero.jpg

http://sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P210-TGT-Detail-hero.jpg

http://www.nramuseum.org/umbraco/ImageGen.ashx?image=/media/489487/15_josey%20wales%20colt%20walker.jpg&class=FlashViewer

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4107/5073146588_8317a57785_z.jpg

Beauty-ful.

Edit:

These Bergers are gonna be sweet xD

http://hphotos-iad1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/308293_2494690059947_1633681271_2347348_1906976634 _n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/386086_2494675539584_1633681271_2347332_2137220166 _n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

I've been meaning to ask, what kind of set up do you have for reloading? I just use a basic RCBS kit.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/product_images/044-87466/044-87466.jpg

I also recently upgraded to a digital scale for more accurate readings (the scale that came with it pissed me off) and also added a powder trickler.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-29-2011, 04:35 AM

I've been meaning to ask, what kind of set up do you have for reloading? I just use a basic RCBS kit.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/product_images/044-87466/044-87466.jpg

I also recently upgraded to a digital scale for more accurate readings (the scale that came with it pissed me off) and also added a powder trickler.

I run that same RockChucker setup, along with an RCBS hand priming tool for large primer pocketed ammo, A Lee autoprime hand priming tool for small primers, Frankford Arsenal tumbler for cleaning brass, Lyman tumbler for moly coating bullets, usually use RCBS dies for rifle and Lee for pistol cartridges.

Use data books from Speer, Lee, Hornady, and Nosler. Really hoping Berger will put out their book soon.

I'm a little more partial to the old style scale myself, but that's just me xD

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

11-29-2011, 05:38 AM

I'm a little more partial to the old style scale myself, but that's just me xD

Maybe it was my inexperience, but I had the hardest time trying to zero that scale. My first time took me over 20 minutes... Needless to say, I wasn't a fan.

WhiteFeather

11-29-2011, 10:21 PM

Just finished doing a deep clean on all my guns. Usually, after the range I'll do a basic clean and clean up the barrel. Today, I took everything off, meticulously scrubbed and cleaned every little nook and cranny to my satisfaction...except my Winchester '94.

I don't think the previous owner ever cleaned it since they got it in 64. It was disgusting. Nearly every patch cloth through that gun was black, there was some sort of yellowish deposits on the inside of the receiver as well as black ones, and the bolt...I could have soaked it in Hoppes 9 solvent for a week and it still would be dirty. I literally spent 5 hours cleaning that SOB (Sexy Ol' Beast), and didn't even get it entirely clean. Granted it is much, much better than it was before, but I easily could have spent another 5 hours on it. One of the worst parts was trying to get the trigger assembly and hammer back into place. Needless to say, despite its condition, it shot rather well.

By the way, I don't know what it is, but I really love the smell of Hoppes 9 cleaning solvent. There is something very aromatic about it (to me, no one else around me could stand the smell.)

jung_adore_ALIZEE

11-30-2011, 12:59 AM

WhiteFeather

11-30-2011, 03:18 AM

I don't mind the smell of Hoppes No. 9, and the Hoppes grease smells minty fresh xD.

I bet that 94 looks pristinely clean compared to Ol' Dirty the FAL xD. I give you the legend....

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=68486&perpage=50&pagenumber=1
makes you think twice about AK's being the pinacle of reliability eh?

Regards,

Jung

All I can say about that is...Holy Crap :blink:

Update: I have been informed that this was never intended to be an experiment but that James just doesn't like to clean his rifles.

This made me laugh.

If I'm in the mood, I love to clean my rifles. However, there are those times where it feels more like a chore especially in the case of the 94. I don't know about other guns, but when I got it, I was looking at disassembly guides on youtube, and a gunsmith said that it only had like 86 parts. It took me a good hour to try to reassemble that sucker.

Despite all that, I still love that gun.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-01-2011, 12:50 PM

Ol' Dirty is a bit of a legend, I believe James still shoots some matches with it.

on a side I just traded the AK74 for a C93 (HK93 clone) and beings I seem to have a bunch of .223 reloading stuff....

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378965_2509549631427_1633681271_2351504_1696202641 _n.jpg

First shots out of the gun and my first load for the .223 using 55 gr. FMJ over 23 gr of IMR 4895 in LC brass with CCI Small Rifle Primers. Not too bad for a battle rifle. think I may scope it once I can find my metric allen wrenches

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-01-2011, 05:35 PM

on a side I just traded the AK74 for a C93 (HK93 clone) and beings I seem to have a bunch of .223 reloading stuff....

I would say you were on the better end of that deal. Then again, I'm more partial to non-AK's. It's not that I dislike them, it's just that they're Commie(or Terrorist or Pirate or Rebel) guns.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378965_2509549631427_1633681271_2351504_1696202641 _n.jpg

First shots out of the gun and my first load for the .223 using 55 gr. FMJ over 23 gr of IMR 4895 in LC brass with CCI Small Rifle Primers. Not too bad for a battle rifle. think I may scope it once I can find my metric allen wrenches

Not too bad? That's great. Especially for a battle rifle with iron sights. Speaking of, I need to shoot my Sig... I miss her... :( I think I'm going to start scouring the Internet to see what other people use in their Sig's, then take a "medley" of loads to the range and see what works best.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-01-2011, 07:52 PM

I would say you were on the better end of that deal. Then again, I'm more partial to non-AK's. It's not that I dislike them, it's just that they're Commie(or Terrorist or Pirate or Rebel) guns.

Me I'm just partial to Roller Delayed Blowback rifles xD.

And a little hotter load I did up, same as before only with 25 gr. of IMR 4895

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384495_2511820488197_1633681271_2351913_1495348921 _n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-02-2011, 08:29 AM

Hell, I'm partial to anything that shoots. :p

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-02-2011, 07:05 PM

Well then another pic of the finest rifle I own xD

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309079_2474997647649_1633681271_2338599_1405302609 _n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-03-2011, 04:27 AM

Well then another pic of the finest rifle I own xD

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309079_2474997647649_1633681271_2338599_1405302609 _n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

Where did you get that scope? My friend has been looking for a PU scope for his Mosin Nagant, but has had no luck (at least not anything below $300). He saw one on Cheaper than Dirt for around 200 a little while ago, but has since sold out/disappeared.

WhiteFeather

12-06-2011, 09:25 AM

I think it's only appropriate I post my 556th post in this thread. In honor of this, 5 of my favorite 5.56 rifles:

Of course I have to start with mine:

Sig Sauer Sig556 Classic Swat
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1202&d=1316042433

(This is the only picture I have of it)

Colt M4A1

http://images.wikia.com/residentevil/images/b/b8/M4large.jpg

FAMAS

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/1289304142.jpg

SIG550

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Stgw_90.jpg/799px-Stgw_90.jpg

Ruger AC556

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as37/mini14ac556.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-07-2011, 08:35 AM

Where did you get that scope? My friend has been looking for a PU scope for his Mosin Nagant, but has had no luck (at least not anything below $300). He saw one on Cheaper than Dirt for around 200 a little while ago, but has since sold out/disappeared.

That would a be a Hensoldt ZF that I picked up from Cheaper than Dirt actually, I'd buy them from RTG now though. Specially beings he is the only one I know of who has Hensoldts anymore.

Yes the PU scope will always cost more than the Mosin rifle itself, and unless you have a sniper variant It'll also cost you more to get it mounted than to buy the rifle right now. Granted a real Sniper variant will cost you upwards of 600-700 too and may not have the scope even. My buddy coverted his and the PU scope is quite nice, I like my Hensoldt better still but the PU is pretty good.

As for favorite 5.56x45 rifle, it still has to be the HK93....... DRB freak here xD

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/galil300/HK%20Rifles/IMG_0023.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-07-2011, 09:02 AM

That would a be a Hensoldt ZF that I picked up from Cheaper than Dirt actually, I'd buy them from RTG now though. Specially beings he is the only one I know of who has Hensoldts anymore.

Yes the PU scope will always cost more than the Mosin rifle itself, and unless you have a sniper variant It'll also cost you more to get it mounted than to buy the rifle right now. Granted a real Sniper variant will cost you upwards of 600-700 too and may not have the scope even. My buddy coverted his and the PU scope is quite nice, I like my Hensoldt better still but the PU is pretty good.

As for favorite 5.56x45 rifle, it still has to be the HK93....... DRB freak here xD

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/galil300/HK%20Rifles/IMG_0023.jpg

Regards,

Jung

I've been looking around to help him to see if I can find a PU or something similar to it. The problem, though is cost. PU's are around 300 at least and those Hensoldt don't look that cheap either.

The HK93 is one fine looking rifle. Never have shot a DRB so I can't form many opinions on it. Do you like how they shoot, the action, do they perform better? I'm just a little confused because I've never dealt with them before. I do have a friend that is partial to, or rather obsessed with, bolt actions(the same friend with the Mosin). Even if it is a CQB video game (Rainbow 6), he'll insist on using bolt action rifles.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-08-2011, 12:55 PM

I've been looking around to help him to see if I can find a PU or something similar to it. The problem, though is cost. PU's are around 300 at least and those Hensoldt don't look that cheap either.

I think I paid 250-300 for mine 2 years ago with mount and it's worth double that now Would like to get another one for the 93 now though so I'll be shelling out some cash before all the surplus is gone I believe RTG is on his last shipment from Germany so they are about done for I think.

The HK93 is one fine looking rifle. Never have shot a DRB so I can't form many opinions on it. Do you like how they shoot, the action, do they perform better? I'm just a little confused because I've never dealt with them before. I do have a friend that is partial to, or rather obsessed with, bolt actions(the same friend with the Mosin). Even if it is a CQB video game (Rainbow 6), he'll insist on using bolt action rifles.

They are quite an accurate design, with some very good reliability. Beings it's not gas operated it's not so sensitive to different loads. I'd say it's about as reliable as the FAL and as accurate as a modern AR. That and beings the bolt is fairly heavy they are quite light on recoil. The PSG1 is noted as one of the most accurate semi auto rifles for a reason.

regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-08-2011, 01:22 PM

I think I paid 250-300 for mine 2 years ago with mount and it's worth double that now Would like to get another one for the 93 now though so I'll be shelling out some cash before all the surplus is gone I believe RTG is on his last shipment from Germany so they are about done for I think.

If I've learned anything in my little time look for/at guns and gun accessories, it's that if it's there now at a decent price, get it then and there because it won't be around long.

They are quite an accurate design, with some very good reliability. Beings it's not gas operated it's not so sensitive to different loads. I'd say it's about as reliable as the FAL and as accurate as a modern AR. That and beings the bolt is fairly heavy they are quite light on recoil. The PSG1 is noted as one of the most accurate semi auto rifles for a reason.

regards,

Jung

I see. I would like to pick one up, probably won't happen for a while due to their costs. Unless I see one that is used or they happen to have really good deals on them. If money grew on trees, however, I'd pick up an HK94 (civie MP5?) in a heartbeat and probably PSG1 to go with it. Other than that, I see no need for another AR (just yet).

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-08-2011, 03:05 PM

If I've learned anything in my little time look for/at guns and gun accessories, it's that if it's there now at a decent price, get it then and there because it won't be around long.

I have a tendency to find good deals on stuff that I know will be worth something in the near or distant future xD

I see. I would like to pick one up, probably won't happen for a while due to their costs. Unless I see one that is used or they happen to have really good deals on them. If money grew on trees, however, I'd pick up an HK94 (civie MP5?) in a heartbeat and probably PSG1 to go with it. Other than that, I see no need for another AR (just yet).

Wouldn't mind a nice quality built 94 to complete the series, however I think the 91 is still my favorite, bit of a fan of .30 calibers so yeah. Like I say I'm sure the PTR91 lineup could keep up with the PSG1 aside from a little heavier trigger, but they have damn nice barrels and receivers. I think if you put the receiver supports in the PTR and add a PSG trigger pack it would highly over shadow it. They make the best 91 clone right now that in my opinion will outshoot an actual HK. That is just my experience though so yours may vary xD.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-08-2011, 03:12 PM

How much do PTR91's generally go for? If the price is right, I may look into them more. I am more a fan of 20th century battle rifles as opposed to the barbie guns of today.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-08-2011, 03:35 PM

How much do PTR91's generally go for? If the price is right, I may look into them more. I am more a fan of 20th century battle rifles as opposed to the barbie guns of today.

Right now somewhere between 800-1400 depending on model and where you get it. the GI models are apparently less picky to ammo than their other models but I haven't had much problems other than with tar sealed ammo. You could always do the MSG clone for 2000+ too they look pretty sweet.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-08-2011, 03:44 PM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-08-2011, 08:35 PM

Huh, that's not as bad as I thought. Still a little pricey right now, but definitely doable in the future. I may have to look into those more.

http://www.ptr91.com/uploaded_files/rifles/i_9d00626c456278d37a991b8da25ea568MSG-91-Angled-Scope.png
I really wish I hadn't seen this...Now I want one...

(Didn't realize their site was ptr91.com. Go figure.)

I hope I get you hooked on them too xD. I'd love to get one of those Magpul stocks they are a bit spendy but sometime soon..........if I can quit buying new guns or sell a few older ones.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-09-2011, 03:55 AM

I hope I get you hooked on them too xD. I'd love to get one of those Magpul stocks they are a bit spendy

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG340/85

Hell, for $255 I'd rather buy a .22 and a few thousand rounds. Which is rather tempting as the (relatively) local Cabelas is having a sale on Ruger 10/22's for around $170 if my memory serves me correctly.

but sometime soon..........if I can quit buying new guns or sell a few older ones.

I don't think I could ever sell any of my guns. Then again, I only have 4 and they're all new. They're still my babies (which is fun to call them that in public and confuse the crap out of people).

Edit:

Crap, the more I look at that PTR the more I want it. ...Thanks a lot... :p :D

I'm probably going to start keeping an eye out for one now.

Once again, thanks a lot you jerk. Like I don't have enough things to spend my money on already...

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-09-2011, 09:02 AM

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG340/85

Hell, for $255 I'd rather buy a .22 and a few thousand rounds. Which is rather tempting as the (relatively) local Cabelas is having a sale on Ruger 10/22's for around $170 if my memory serves me correctly.

http://www.robertrtg.com/magpulprms2.html

RTG is always the first place to look for HK rifle stuck as he is almost always the cheapest still spendy though :(

I don't think I could ever sell any of my guns. Then again, I only have 4 and they're all new. They're still my babies (which is fun to call them that in public and confuse the crap out of people).

I like to buy some of them as investments, I know some of them will simply double or triple in value in a short time. Now there are plenty of them that I won't sell, like the PTR, HK P7 or the revolvers, but I really really really like those ones xD

Crap, the more I look at that PTR the more I want it. ...Thanks a lot... :p :D

I'm probably going to start keeping an eye out for one now.

Once again, thanks a lot you jerk. Like I don't have enough things to spend my money on already...

xD glad I could be of assistance.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-09-2011, 03:56 PM

I like to buy some of them as investments, I know some of them will simply double or triple in value in a short time. Now there are plenty of them that I won't sell, like the PTR, HK P7 or the revolvers, but I really really really like those ones xD

That's actually a really good idea. The problem is, any gun I'd buy for that purpose I know I would hang on to, or at the very least have the most difficult time parting with it.

My uncle did something similar. He and a partner bought a bunch of Maddi Ak's, for around $300 a piece I believe, and now those have at least doubled since then (according to GunsAmerica).

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-09-2011, 08:04 PM

That's actually a really good idea. The problem is, any gun I'd buy for that purpose I know I would hang on to, or at the very least have the most difficult time parting with it.

My uncle did something similar. He and a partner bought a bunch of Maddi Ak's, for around $300 a piece I believe, and now those have at least doubled since then (according to GunsAmerica).

Mosin Nagants are the ones to get into now, they will be a gold mine in 10-15 years.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-10-2011, 03:44 AM

Mosin Nagants are the ones to get into now, they will be a gold mine in 10-15 years.

Regards,

Jung

I was thinking of asking for one for Christmas, but since that probably won't happen, I'm probably going to go get one myself, hopefully around February/March.

Right now, I've got to find a decent bow as I'm most likely going hunting in late December. Plus accessories, plus hunting accessories, plus if I do kill something, getting it processed, plus Christmas shopping; it's going to be an expensive couple of months.

Taxi Driver Aaron

12-10-2011, 10:48 PM

What kind of bow do you use? I've been looking recently into buying a recurve or long bow. Is there a certain company you recommend?

Or you could just not miss... :p

Just kidding. :D

LoL! Always gotta be prepared in case... even if I don't miss, what if I get charged by another hog and I don't have time to use the bow? right? ...

I like Hoyt... I use a Hoyt Dorado recurve approx 50# ... it will suffice for up to 30 yards with my experience. but then again, I've never really hit anything further than 30 yards.. let alone attempted lol.... I usually need to track the hog an additional 30 yards at that as well or a sal maybe 10 yards... one time I got lucky and did a direct kill shot, but I am not good enough with the bow to do that all the time.

anyway... the season starts here on January 1 - 26 for archery... getting close!

bty, sorry for the delay, I just got my computer back!!!! my computer had crapped out on me and I was exchanging parts on the motherboard to get it working again. It needed a new graphics card... I upgraded the CPU and the RAM while I was at it!... wooo hoooo!!!! nerdin' it out to the max!

WhiteFeather

12-11-2011, 06:30 PM

LoL! Always gotta be prepared in case... even if I don't miss, what if I get charged by another hog and I don't have time to use the bow? right? ...

What? You can't fire two arrows at two different targets at the same time? Legolas does it all the time, and he's an elf. He even shot 3 arrows at once... :p

Getting ready to go to a gun show. Can't guarantee I will walk out empty handed... :D

Edit:

So I kinda walked out empty handed. There were a lot of cool guns there, but nearly all were ridiculously priced. Some people were charging retail for used beat up guns. I saw a PTR-91 GI there, but they were charging too much. Otherwise...

Not all was lost, as afterwards I went to Bass Pro Shop and bought me a new Martin Jaguar Recurve Bow.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-11-2011, 08:35 PM

What? You can't fire two arrows at two different targets at the same time? Legolas does it all the time, and he's an elf. He even shot 3 arrows at once... :p

Getting ready to go to a gun show. Can't guarantee I will walk out empty handed... :D

Edit:

So I kinda walked out empty handed. There were a lot of cool guns there, but nearly all were ridiculously priced. Some people were charging retail for used beat up guns. I saw a PTR-91 GI there, but they were charging too much. Otherwise...

Not all was lost, as afterwards I went to Bass Pro Shop and bought me a new Martin Jaguar Recurve Bow.

yeah don't pay more than 850 for a GI model, and make sure to grab some feeler gauges and check bolt gap and look the thing over good. PTR is a good company but some things still slip by them.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-12-2011, 02:16 AM

yeah don't pay more than 850 for a GI model, and make sure to grab some feeler gauges and check bolt gap and look the thing over good. PTR is a good company but some things still slip by them.

Regards,

Jung

They were asking 1200. And it was all dinged up, kinda dirty. I don't think people realized that just because a gun is older it doesn't make it more valuable. Some of the prices on 1911's there were just absolutely crazy.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-12-2011, 02:42 AM

If it were an HK receiver I'd take it in a heartbeat, but not a PTR receiver beings you can get the match models for that price.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-12-2011, 08:13 AM

I only recall seeing 1 HK gun and that was a 416 pistol. I saw a couple of CETMEs, and a FA-91 but didn't see the prices as someone pushed me away from them and didn't have a chance to get back there.

WhiteFeather

12-15-2011, 01:55 PM

Went to the range earlier this week. It just so happened there were some gentlemen there from Armalite. They were testing barrel designs for this:

Armalite AR-50A1
http://www.armalite.com/Images/large%20images/Rifles/50A1BLARGE700.jpg

I knew they were loud, but what I didn't realize is how they send a shockwave throughout your entire body. It was pretty awesome.

I was managing about 5" groupings with the Sig. It was all on target (except when I shot freehand standing, had a few errant shots) but spread out everywhere. I think I need to stop using 55gr. in the future (I probably was just lucky before). My Weatherby however, was doing rather well. I hit about 2-3" at 200 yds. and I completely split a pumpkin in half with multiple shots. We also brought our shotguns and did a little trap shooting, which is always fun.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-15-2011, 09:52 PM

Even my .308 sends out some nice shockwaves when standing to either side of it and behind.

As for the 55 gr. in that 1-7 barrel I'd run much heavier, maybe find some 90s

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-16-2011, 09:04 AM

What was crazy, though, was that I was feeling the shockwaves from 5-6 tables away from where they were shooting, plus there were other people in between me and them. There were a few times where it caught me off guard and I pulled a few shots.

As for 90 gr, I was looking around, and other Sig owners said to avoid that, as the bullets are too long for it.

The heaviest and best bullets that you can reload for your 556 with a 1:7" twist are the Hornady 75 grain BTHP, the Prvi 75 grain BTHP, the Sierra MatchKing 77 grain BTHP, tthe Swift Sirocco 75 grain BTHP, and the Nosler Competition 77 grain BTHP.

Do not try the Hornady AMAX 75 grain with the plastic tip, they are too long. Also, do not try any of the 80-90 grain bullets as they are all also too long.

Here is some good info for review:

http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunition/st223_120606/

I've already tried the Hornady BTHP, so I think I'll try the Sierra or Nosler next.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-16-2011, 07:31 PM

What was crazy, though, was that I was feeling the shockwaves from 5-6 tables away from where they were shooting, plus there were other people in between me and them. There were a few times where it caught me off guard and I pulled a few shots.

As for 90 gr, I was looking around, and other Sig owners said to avoid that, as the bullets are too long for it.

I've already tried the Hornady BTHP, so I think I'll try the Sierra or Nosler next.

I only load 55 gr. but I'd think with that 1-7 you'd be able to do 90s might be worth a shot. The over all length may be a little long for magazines I suppose though. The 1-7 is a rather fast twist for the .223 so it might be worth a shot trying something heavier. Then again I don't know .224s like I know .30 cals. I've only loaded a little for a .22-250 with a 1-10 and for my .223 with a 1-9. I do know the .22-250 with a 1-10 loaded hot will shoot 90 gr. bullets rather nicely.

What length barrel do the Sigs have? I'd imagine either 16" or 18", which would have an effect on velocity I suppose which makes it harded to stabilize heavier bullets.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-17-2011, 06:42 PM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-17-2011, 11:17 PM

Sigs have a 16" inch barrel. I think that I'm going to do more research before trying the 90's . I'd rather shoot lighter bullets and have a functioning gun, than risk screwing up a $1200 gun and have to send it to be repaired. Plus I already voided the warranty by shooting reloaded ammo through it.

Edit:

Speaking of .30's, I'm thinking of starting to reload my .308 and .30-30's. Any recommendations for bullet weights? My Weatherby has a 24" barrel with a 1 in 12" twist. The Winchester is 20" also with a 1 in 12".

Shouldn't wreck your gun using those bullets, but it may not shoot them nice, so long as you are careful with your loads and start low xD. I'm also gonna assume it has an adjustable gas system too which helps.

As for the .30s, I'd definitely run 150s in the 30-30, try the LeveRevolutions. I'm a fan of 150s for the 308 too, but all mine are set up to mil-spec. 168s and maybe 180s should shoot fine though too. The 24" barrel might get you the velocity to stabilize the 180s if you use a little slower burning powder anyway. 150 and 168 gr. in the .308 is a very versatile bullet though. I'm a fan of IMR 4895 for powder, once again because it is as close to mil-spec as you get, I hear really good things about Varget in the .308 too. Play around with it a bit I guess.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-18-2011, 05:12 PM

I shoot 150 gr Remington Core-Lokt already, so as of now I'm leaning towards 168. I'm also probably going to stick with Varget as I already have some on hand, and I'm not in the best of positions to be spending money. A friend shoots Sierra so I might try Hornady first (I could just jack a couple of his rounds and see how they work, as he also uses Varget with 168gr :p). I'll probably go to Bass Pro and pick up the die sets after Christmas when I have a little more money.

As for the 30-30, I'll have to check prices when I go BPS. I'll definitely stick with 150, though.

I also was browsing the Hornady website and came across this:

http://www.thelastgoddess.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Zombie-Max-ammo-600x819.jpg

I couldn't help but chuckle. Apparently though, it is really quality ammunition.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/iuBN4GZi_rQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-18-2011, 06:06 PM

WhiteFeather

12-18-2011, 06:21 PM

Beings I did pick up a Remington 700 Tactical 20" .308 I'm gonna be loading more 168s now xD. Pictures to come soon xD

Jeez, how many do you own? :p

A couple of weeks ago I made a list of guns I want to at some point acquire. It is going to take me a while...

(Note: this list will get longer throughout the years)
1. Mosin Nagant
2. M1 Carbine
3. M1 Garand
4. 1903A3 Springfield
5. AR-15
6. Winchester Model 70 .30-06
7. Ruger 10/22
8. MP5
9. M1A
10. PTR-91 (most recent addition)
11. SIG P226
12. 1911 (still undecided)
13. Colt SAA
14. Uberti 1858 New Army
15. S&W 629
16. Browning HiPower
17. .22 lr pistol (undecided)

Average guns per adult is about 4. I think I'll be a little over that... :D

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-18-2011, 11:01 PM

Jeez, how many do you own? :p

A couple of weeks ago I made a list of guns I want to at some point acquire. It is going to take me a while...

(Note: this list will get longer throughout the years)
1. Mosin Nagant
2. M1 Carbine
3. M1 Garand
4. 1903A3 Springfield
5. AR-15
6. Winchester Model 70 .30-06
7. Ruger 10/22
8. MP5
9. M1A
10. PTR-91 (most recent addition)
11. SIG P226
12. 1911 (still undecided)
13. Colt SAA
14. Uberti 1858 New Army
15. S&W 629
16. Browning HiPower
17. .22 lr pistol (undecided)

Average guns per adult is about 4. I think I'll be a little over that... :D

I always said if you know how many you own you don't have enough xD. If I were to guess I'd say in the lower 20 mark though.

That is a fine list I must say. I'm still on the look out for a good lever action in both .357 magnum and .41 magnum. also looking for a Hi Power. Sometime next summer I think I will buy a crate of Mosin Nagants if you want one on the cheap I may be able to part with one xD. As for the .22 pistol I'd go with any of the following.... Browning Buckmark, High Standard of any model, Ruger, Colt Woodsman, Walther SP22, or the old S&W .22 (can't recall the model, but it was their competition gun).

Regards,

Jung

Edit:

As I promised...

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/408076_2626327550802_1633681271_2390031_391876816_ n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/378727_2626315190493_1633681271_2390029_565179099_ n.jpg

First shots with factory Black Hills 168 bthp

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/381300_2626332030914_1633681271_2390032_1862922444 _n.jpg

amd my first handload for it, shot in the dark...they are the 3 in the middle of the picture

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/374704_2626336551027_1633681271_2390034_1297182715 _n.jpg

The second handloading performed better yet and are all touching the two in the middle on the above picture, and came in around a 1/2" should have a picture of that up tomorrow or something.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-19-2011, 08:42 AM

As I was typing that list, a few more came to mind that I might want. The ones on the list were guns I am definitely buying before I die. And if you do get that crate of Mosins, I would most definitely be interested. :D

By the way, how far do you sight it in? I assume 100 yds, but in the picture (if I'm not mistaken it's that white box in the trees?) it looks closer.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/378727_2626315190493_1633681271_2390029_565179099_ n.jpg

Then again, I could just have really bad depth perception...

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-19-2011, 02:51 PM

As I was typing that list, a few more came to mind that I might want. The ones on the list were guns I am definitely buying before I die. And if you do get that crate of Mosins, I would most definitely be interested. :D

By the way, how far do you sight it in? I assume 100 yds, but in the picture (if I'm not mistaken it's that white box in the trees?) it looks closer.

Then again, I could just have really bad depth perception...

It's like 90-95 and here is the picture of my second handloads grouped right on top of the first handloads.

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405307_2630103365195_1633681271_2391660_1963620871 _a.jpg

also shot at 8:50 PM in the winter in North Dakota making for a rather dark shooting session xD.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-19-2011, 05:26 PM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-19-2011, 06:32 PM

Pic didn't show up.

It gets dark here at around 4-4:30. Did you have lights or anything? Night vision scope? Starlight Scope? :D

I guess you give new meaning to the phrase "A shot in the dark"... :D

fixed...

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405307_2630103365195_1633681271_2391660_1963620871 _a.jpg

Also there was a yard light off to the side, and it was just a standard scheels scope, that I believe is made by Nikon not sure though. It does get dark around here at 5 or so, it was a little hard to see the target, but managable. I'm obviously happy with my groups.

Did a little shooting with a couple friends today, and I realize that most people do have a hard time shooting good groups lol. I did 1" groups and sighted in a rifle of one guys that could get it to group at all apparently, and once I got it sighted for him, he was doing 2 1/2 to 3". The other one shot my .308 and was doing about 2" which I can see I beings neither has had much trigger time. So I'm quite happy with my shooting now xD.

Regards,

Jung

Edit:

On a side note, the .300 win mag most definitely still hurts a bit :p specially with a nicely loaded 230 gr. bullet going down the barrel

VVVACCPLPNLY

12-19-2011, 06:55 PM

only in (alizee) america! nothing looks, sounds, or kills cooler than an extended barrel 44 magnum. cant wait to get a lisence to get one!

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-19-2011, 07:13 PM

meh just as well go with a .454 Cassul xD

Regards,

Jung

VVVACCPLPNLY

12-20-2011, 08:23 AM

i know some about guns but not that much lol.

WhiteFeather

12-20-2011, 08:55 AM

only in (alizee) america! nothing looks, sounds, or kills cooler than an extended barrel 44 magnum. cant wait to get a lisence to get one!

I believe as long as you are 21, you don't need a license to purchase or own a handgun in Virginia. The only state that requires you to have a Firearms license is Illinois (which is why I hate living here.)

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/a/gunlaws_va.htm

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-20-2011, 09:23 AM

i know some about guns but not that much lol.

It's a step up from the .44 magnum xD, but then just as well get a .460 S&W magnum which will also shoot both the .454 Casull and .45 long colt :p. Just don't be putting your finger next to the cylinder gap with them .460s else you won't have a finger left.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-20-2011, 06:10 PM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-20-2011, 06:16 PM

I've been toying with the idea of buying a bayonet for the SIG. Why? Why the hell not? Anyway, I was looking around for a bayonet and matching lug, and got a hit on that RobertRTG site you mentioned a bit back. How reliable are they, and how long does it usually take to get your product?

Robert is a very good guy, and I've never had a problem with anything I've gotten from him. He usually has my order at my door within 5 days. There isn't a much better in customer service out there. I'd highly recommend him to any friend.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-20-2011, 06:25 PM

I'm going take your word on it. If you're wrong, I may have to hunt you down...:D

I was going to get it from a different site, Colorado Gun Sales, but they were charging twice as much for basic ground shipping. They did have a bunch of SIG parts for the 556, as well as parts to make it look like a 550, so I may have to give them a chance later on.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-20-2011, 06:31 PM

I'm going take your word on it. If you're wrong, I may have to hunt you down...:D

Just remember I shoot back ;). if something don't come to you as it should I'm sure Robert will make it right he's never done me wrong. He has quite a good reputation on MilitaryFirearms too and is even a member I believe. I'd trust the regulars there any day of the week.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-20-2011, 06:36 PM

Just remember I shoot back ;).

Wouldn't have it any other way. What's the fun of hunting a target that doesn't shoot back? :D

Normally I try to stick with big name companies when buying online. But when they don't have what I'm looking for, I then go to smaller names. I am just a little hesitant from buying from places I know nothing about.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-20-2011, 06:51 PM

Wouldn't have it any other way. What's the fun of hunting a target that doesn't shoot back? :D

I warn you I'm calm and a rather decent shot at any given moment ;).

To be honest I didn't even know RTG had Sig stuff. His specialty is in HK stuff for the most part. I know he also has quite a bit of AK and Walther P1/P38 stuff. He is one of the bigger names when it comes to the dedicated DRB guys. Can't say I know anyone who has had a problem with him, and usually when someone has a problem the news spreads fast.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-20-2011, 06:59 PM

I warn you I'm calm and a rather decent shot at any given moment ;).

Yes, but you have to see me to hit me...;)
Maybe we should engage in a sniper duel, Carlos Hathcock style. Loser gets an eyeful of glass and lead. :D

You'd probably win though...

There isn't a whole lot of Sig stuff, but he just happened to have what I need.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-20-2011, 07:09 PM

Yes, but you have to see me to hit me...;)
Maybe we should engage in a sniper duel, Carlos Hathcock style. Loser gets an eyeful of glass and lead. :D

Feel free to try anytime you like :p.

You'd probably win though...

:p soon as I finish setting up the loads for both this Remington .308 and the .300 win mag now, I wouldn't want to be within 1000 yards :p. as of now if I have the PTR I wouldn't want to be within 600 ;)

There isn't a whole lot of Sig stuff, but he just happened to have what I need.

Perfect he will treat you right, just know that it'll come in the condition he has it listed as. Sometimes they are in better condition than listed but don't count on it.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-20-2011, 07:13 PM

:p soon as I finish setting up the loads for both this Remington .308 and the .300 win mag now, I wouldn't want to be within 1000 yards :p. as of now if I have the PTR I wouldn't want to be within 600 ;)

:blink: Maybe I should just drop a nuke. RTG wouldn't happen to have some plutonium or U-235 would he?

Edit:

Or I could use one of these bad boys:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/DavyCrockettBomb.jpg/750px-DavyCrockettBomb.jpg

Can you hit me from 2.5 miles away? :D :p

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-20-2011, 08:36 PM

Can you hit me from 2.5 miles away? :D :p

Well I do have a Mosin Nagant :p

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

12-21-2011, 04:26 AM

WhiteFeather

12-21-2011, 04:34 AM

The colt SAA is a classic, but I prefer to live modern. The 1911 is my favorite....

I'm kind of a history junkie, especially military history. The Cold SAA, Winchester levers, all those wild west guns just have that history and allure that many modern guns do not have. Take the SAA. Bring that up, and you get grand pictures of cowboys and Indians, wide open plains, sheriffs and high noon showdowns. What do you get with something like a Desert Eagle? Some fat kid playing Call of Duty in his parents' basement.

I will agree with you though, the 1911 is one awesome weapon, and is definitely one of, if not, my favorite.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-21-2011, 07:43 AM

The colt SAA is a classic, but I prefer to live modern. The 1911 is my favorite....

It is only 100 years old I suppose :p. A fine handgun, I like mine to have a slight slide to frame rattle. A little less accurate, but should never jam, clean or dirty.

I'm kind of a history junkie, especially military history. The Cold SAA, Winchester levers, all those wild west guns just have that history and allure that many modern guns do not have. Take the SAA. Bring that up, and you get grand pictures of cowboys and Indians, wide open plains, sheriffs and high noon showdowns. What do you get with something like a Desert Eagle? Some fat kid playing Call of Duty in his parents' basement.

I will agree with you though, the 1911 is one awesome weapon, and is definitely one of, if not, my favorite.

I usually simply go for build quality and utter reliability, really don't care what people think of them :p. Oddly I'm not a huge Desert Eagle fan, however I really like shooting them and the design is quite impressive. I'd never get one in .50 AE though. I usually prefer a double action revolver, but that is simply for speed and functionality. Steel frames still rule the roost in my opinion, as I like the lighter recoil for as often as I like to shoot. I can deal with carrying the little extra weight.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-21-2011, 08:14 AM

I usually simply go for build quality and utter reliability, really don't care what people think of them :p.

That goes without saying, I think. The old Wild West guns just have that added bonus of being cool, and good shooters. But I agree, in that you should get a gun based on what you need, not how you look.

I saw a guy at the gun shop when I was picking up my .308, who wanted a totally decked out Smith and Wesson MP-15 with the EOTech, slings, flashlights, foregrips, dual magazine clips, you name it, he wanted it. And you could tell, this guy was getting it to show off (because he actually said it).

Same at the place I trap shoot. You see these guys whip out these thousands of dollars shotguns... and I'M outshooting them with my $270 Remington 870.

And if you haven't noticed, Yes, I am a little biased towards the Desert Eagle in that I HATE the son of a gun.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-21-2011, 08:26 AM

Yeah I can do $500 setup rifles that will compete with $2000 rifles. the biggest part imho is finding the particular guns favorite load and sticking with it. Also if you know your rifle you will shoot it much better. The Tacticool guns are what I don't really like, most people don't use a single thing they have hanging off of their rifle. If my PTR didn't come with that railed handguard I'd have simply put a swivel on a nice wood stock for the bipod (which I still may do I like to old wood G3 looks). One of these days I'm gonna get me a nice lightweight Levergun in .357 for those walks, until then I have to tote at least a 8 pound gun and usually closer to the 12 pound mark :p. Those heavy guns certainly tame recoil though, but a .357 shouldn't be too bad even if I load 'em hot.

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

12-21-2011, 12:46 PM

It is only 100 years old I suppose :p. A fine handgun, I like mine to have a slight slide to frame rattle. A little less accurate, but should never jam, clean or dirty.

Oh I wasn't calling the 1911 a modern gun... I prefer modern guns... but the 1911 is still my favorite.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-21-2011, 05:52 PM

Oh I wasn't calling the 1911 a modern gun... I prefer modern guns... but the 1911 is still my favorite.

I do rather like my 1911 Commander model, however I'd take the S&W 686+ over it anyday. More accurate, reliable, and dare I say as fast, also has a better round to boot IMHO.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-22-2011, 03:05 PM

I do rather like my 1911 Commander model, however I'd take the S&W 686+ over it anyday. More accurate, reliable, and dare I say as fast, also has a better round to boot IMHO.

Regards,

Jung

If you want, I can take that 1911 off your hands for a nominal fee... :D

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-22-2011, 04:11 PM

If you want, I can take that 1911 off your hands for a nominal fee... :D

if ya give me 750 USD I'll send it to ya :p

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-22-2011, 04:25 PM

if ya give me 750 USD I'll send it to ya :p

Regards,

Jung

Seeing as retail is around $500, I think I'll pass.

Toying with my heart... :noway:

Taxi Driver Aaron

12-22-2011, 10:59 PM

http://thefunnypill.com/images/image-476.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-23-2011, 01:01 AM

Seeing as retail is around $500, I think I'll pass.

Toying with my heart... :noway:

Honestly I think that is about what it would cost for me to set that one up like that again right now.

Toying with the Idea of converting a .308, 7mm/08, or .243 Savage Axis into a .338 Federal. Toss in a Timney trigger and a decent scope and I think I could have one sweet brush and large game gun for under 800

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-24-2011, 01:39 PM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-24-2011, 02:39 PM

So I got my bayonet and lug today. Was really expecting it sometime after Christmas, so that was a very pleasant surprise. I'll post a picture of it with the bayonet when I get the chance to actually put it on.

Looks like I'll use this site in the future, should the need arise.

My first order from RTG came in on Christmas eve too, only 2 years ago xD.

and I think I got the .308 loads for my Remington figured out now xD.

168 gr. A-max over 41 gr. of IMR 4895 Winchester large rifle primer, and Winchester Mil. Spec brass.

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/392282_2651103170177_1633681271_2399261_545606151_ n.jpg

168 gr Berger using same....

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/379110_2651102770167_1633681271_2399260_418103235_ n.jpg

And just for Lols, something I saw at my local gun shop....

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/396715_2654257529034_1633681271_2400470_238580826_ n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-24-2011, 03:52 PM

My first order from RTG came in on Christmas eve too, only 2 years ago xD.

Weird... :blink:

And just for Lols, something I saw at my local gun shop....

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/396715_2654257529034_1633681271_2400470_238580826_ n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

Ha! :))

Well, here are pics of my bayonet (a photographer, I am not):

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/IMG_00091.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/IMG_00101.jpg

Very happy with the results.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-26-2011, 07:31 PM

looks good

Ever seen my spotter?

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/15738_1212087675689_1633681271_533539_826356_n.jpg

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-26-2011, 10:11 PM

looks good

Ever seen my spotter?

Actually yes...

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=147622&postcount=29

So, he can spot. But can he shoot? :p

http://grahamten.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/dog2.jpg

http://www.aaanything.net/wp-content/gallery/funny-animals-are-awesome/dog_with_a_gun.jpg

Taxi Driver Aaron

12-27-2011, 03:55 PM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/398960_347670561926013_100000492152661_1441237_185 7152332_n.jpg

Edit:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385553_2424154238425_1088560641_32095880_368721145 _n.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

12-27-2011, 07:32 PM

So, he can spot. But can he shoot? :p

Actually he shoots better than me and you've seen my targets ;)

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

12-28-2011, 03:41 PM

If I could shoot half as well as your dog, I'd be pretty darn good. :D

By the way, ever hear of Varmint Grenade ammo?

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/sYigC49tnh8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I cannot stop laughing at :57.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-10-2012, 05:02 PM

WhiteFeather

01-10-2012, 05:30 PM

I guess I use FMJs on varmints for the most part, then again I'm usually using a .30 cal of some sort :p. On a side note I put money down on a Winchester 1892 in .357 magnum recently. Just what I've been looking for a long time, they are a bit pricey though.

Regards,

Jung

I probably will never use Varmint Grenade, I just found it hilarious to see a prairie dog explode into pieces.

Congrats on the Winchester. I've always had a soft spot for lever actions. Once I'm able to get pistol ammo, I'll most likely at some point pick up a .357 or .44 lever action.

Just walked in the door after a day of shooting. I'm done with 55gr ammo with my Sig. It isn't even worth it for plinking.

Also had a malfunction with my Weatherby. A round wasn't loading properly, so I dropped the floor plate. The floor plate hinge on the magazine somehow bent and now it is all screwed up. If I can't fix it, I'm going to have to either take it in or order new parts. But before it went to hell, I managed to hit and split a credit card in half at 200 yds.

I also got to shoot my friend's S&W 5903. I love that pistol so much.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-10-2012, 05:53 PM

I probably will never use Varmint Grenade, I just found it hilarious to see a prairie dog explode into pieces.

Congrats on the Winchester. I've always had a soft spot for lever actions. Once I'm able to get pistol ammo, I'll most likely at some point pick up a .357 or .44 lever action.

Just walked in the door after a day of shooting. I'm done with 55gr ammo with my Sig. It isn't even worth it for plinking.

Also had a malfunction with my Weatherby. A round wasn't loading properly, so I dropped the floor plate. The floor plate hinge on the magazine somehow bent and now it is all screwed up. If I can't fix it, I'm going to have to either take it in or order new parts. But before it went to hell, I managed to hit and split a credit card in half at 200 yds.

I also got to shoot my friend's S&W 5903. I love that pistol so much.

Those Sig do have that crazy fast twist rate for some reason or another :p not good for 55 gr.

I hope you can fix the floor plate if not they aren't hard to change I'm sure you could do it yourself, if my gun has a blind magazine I rather prefer it not to have the hinged bottom.

I have a S&W 910 which is very similar and they really are nice pistols specially considering how cheap you can get them. They are a bit on the heavy side, but that's expected of a service style pistol.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

01-10-2012, 06:01 PM

Pictures of my day:

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/IMG_00191.jpg

Sig at 100 on bench.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k529/bhein7/IMG_00181.jpg

Sig at 100 while standing.

As you can see, a little bit (sarcastic on little) spread out for my tastes.

Those Sig do have that crazy fast twist rate for some reason or another :p not good for 55 gr.

I hope you can fix the floor plate if not they aren't hard to change I'm sure you could do it yourself, if my gun has a blind magazine I rather prefer it not to have the hinged bottom.

I have a S&W 910 which is very similar and they really are nice pistols specially considering how cheap you can get them. They are a bit on the heavy side, but that's expected of a service style pistol.

Regards,

Jung

I should be able to fix it, I'm just a little pissed it happened in the first place. I might use this as an opportunity to upgrade it to a detachable box magazine if the price is right.

When you say S&W 910's are cheap, are they cheap as in less than 500? I'm trying to sway my dad away from getting a Glock and more towards something along those lines. And you know what they say about heavy guns...

Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-10-2012, 06:14 PM

Yeah that would be unacceptable to me. stick with something a little heavier.

I got my 910 for $200 from a friend, I think you can usually pick up police trade ins for around 300. They will probably have a lot of holster wear, but won't have been fired much, and should be mechanically sound. Glocks are rather reliable, but I have had them jam on me before, and I don't really care for their grips either so.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

01-10-2012, 06:26 PM

I've been a little lazy and didn't load any 75 gr before I went, so I just grabbed some 55's. Never again.

I'm rather shocked the price for a 910 is that low, even for a used. I can't speak for the 910, but the 5903 feels really good in my hands. Very solid feel, and I would definitely trust my life to it.

Something about Glocks just don't sit right with me. They just feel off. That, and I'm not a fan of the looks of it. It has those weird squarish slides and I think they're ugly. However, an uncle who is in L.E. says they're excellent shooters and very reliable, so I can't argue with that. Different spokes for different folks I suppose.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-10-2012, 06:33 PM

If I recall correctly the 5903 is just a stainless version of the 910. Police trade ins usually are rather cheap, they buy them cheap and are able to sell them cheap when they are done with them.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

01-10-2012, 06:43 PM

Taxi Driver Aaron

01-12-2012, 12:18 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379027_251883378216858_196420913763105_606323_1222 010007_n.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-15-2012, 10:11 AM

The 5903 is an aluminum alloy, the 5906 is the stainless version, if my sources are correct.

From what I'm reading, the 910 is considered a "value version" of the 590x series. Even though many users say the 910 is just as solid as the others. I'll have to look into these more and start keeping an eye out for them. My dad was hoping to use his tax return towards a gun, and if I can find one of these, it just might happen.

If you can't tell, I'm trying to get my dad into shooting. He's always been interested, but while I was growing up, he always had other expenses and didn't really have resources to start this hobby. I'm just his kick in the pants to get him going now that he has more resources.

Smith and Wesson makes rather sound guns, I prefer their revolvers, which they are the benchmark for which others are judged against. Ruger and Dan Wesson however do make the toughest Revolvers out there, there is a reason they get their own data section in reloading books.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379027_251883378216858_196420913763105_606323_1222 010007_n.jpg

This is where it's at my friend....

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309079_2474997647649_1633681271_2338599_1405302609 _n.jpg

I wouldn't mind a Armalite or Bushmaster AR though

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

01-15-2012, 05:50 PM

WhiteFeather

01-15-2012, 07:54 PM

Smith and Wesson makes rather sound guns, I prefer their revolvers, which they are the benchmark for which others are judged against. Ruger and Dan Wesson however do make the toughest Revolvers out there, there is a reason they get their own data section in reloading books.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379027_251883378216858_196420913763105_606323_1222 010007_n.jpg

This is where it's at my friend....

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309079_2474997647649_1633681271_2338599_1405302609 _n.jpg

I wouldn't mind a Armalite or Bushmaster AR though

Regards,

Jung

Right now I'm trying to get my dad to learn the basics, so I think a regular handgun would be best right now. Maybe down the road after I buy a few, I'll introduce them to him. And yes, a S&W is going to be one of the first revolvers I buy.

I'd take an M1A over an AR-10 any day. I really don't see the need for a .308 AR. Plus the M1A is infinitely sexier.

http://suburbansurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/M1A.gif

Edit:

I forgot about its sexier brother, the M25 White Feather:

http://www.ozarkguns.com/Springfield%20Rifles%206mar08/whitef6.jpg

Way better than an AR-10, in my opinion.

Edit:

Or if you need a CQB weapon, the M1A SOCOM II:

http://www.kygunco.com/prodimages/442-DEFAULT-L.jpg

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-17-2012, 08:20 AM

I still like my 91s, M1A's are nice too. They do have their problems too though, mainly the long op-rod which if bent puts you straight out of commission. They are damn nice though and can be highly accurate. Simply put it all comes down to what you're comfortable with, with proper maintenance they should all function just fine. Granted something is bound to eventually break on all of them. I've had a broken extractor on my 91 (do to having a bulged cased loaded ammo being put in the chamber,) that would make it jam on occasion. That is one of the main perks about a DRB, they will function without an extractor just not as good as they should. Was an easy replacement and now runs flawless again.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

01-17-2012, 03:42 PM

I am in a sort of bind, and could use some advice. As I mentioned earlier, the floorplate on my Weatherby somehow bent, and now I am in need of a completely new trigger guard. I've been looking around for a little while now, and came across two possibilities.

The first:

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/269464000/269464743/pix556092879.jpg

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=269464743

The problem with this is that it is silver. The original as well as the other components on that gun are blued. I've looked for a blued, but have had no luck. There is one on GunBroker, but it has a big HOWA logo on it.

The second is this:

http://www.legacysports.com/images/products/Mag_5RdKit.png

http://www.legacysports.com/products/detachmags.html

The main concern here is price, as it is nearly twice of the first option. Also it isn't an exact fit, so I'd have to do some work on the stock which I'm not crazy about. But it would eliminate the risk of it getting bent like the first one was. And I am partial to the detachable magazine.

Weatherby sells one for about 10 dollars cheaper, but I'm led to believe that it is for Long Action Vanguards only (mine is a short action).

Any suggestions?

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-18-2012, 12:16 AM

Maybe try contacting weatherby directly I'm sure they have a number on their website, they will either be able to sell you the part or maybe replace it for you free of cost. I know some companies are really good for that. Maybe try Midway or Numerich too

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

01-18-2012, 02:11 AM

I didn't even think to call Weatherby. However, they are now on the Series 2 Vanguards, so I don't know if they'll still have the part for the first generation models, or if their current one is backwards compatible. Still it doesn't hurt to try and I definitely will.

I checked Midway before, but they had a $200 one and a $49 plastic one. I'm kinda wary of putting plastic where there was once metal. Never heard of Numerich, and they had a bunch of parts for it... just not the one I was looking for. Still, they have some small parts that I may need in the future should something (else) go wrong on it.

I really hope Weatherby has the part and I can end this ordeal.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-18-2012, 03:14 AM

Chances are either they didn't change the floorplate, or they have enough left in stock. Most companies end up keeping a lot of the small parts for old models. In fact both of the Automags used in Sudden Impact were built off of spare parts that the designer had in his basement. AMP was a defunct company at the time too so.

Brownells may have what you need, don't know why I didn't think of that one earlier too, as they are probably the most likely to have it.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

01-18-2012, 09:39 AM

Surprisingly, Brownells did not have any of what I was looking for. They did have a Mag Extender which may work, but I'm going to give Weatherby a shot first. Plus it didn't get great reviews, so I'm a little hesitant.

I'm sure they didn't change it, I'm just a little paranoid right now. I'm just trying to get all my options available so I'm prepared for the worst case scenario.

However, I am starting to get attached to the idea of a removable magazine. It would be cool to have, it's just not necessary.

In fact both of the Automags used in Sudden Impact were built off of spare parts that the designer had in his basement. AMP was a defunct company at the time too so.

Huh, did not know that.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-18-2012, 09:46 AM

The detachable magazines are nice, but like you say unnecessary. All my bolts actions actually have the blind magazine.

They made one a live firing model so Eastwood could properly portray the recoil, and one blank firing for actual footage. The serial numbers on them are Clint1 and Clint2 if I recall correctly.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

01-18-2012, 09:58 AM

The serial numbers on them are Clint1 and Clint2 if I recall correctly.

Now that is awesome. They are pretty cool looking guns, but I don't think I'd ever get one (unless I found one for dirt cheap). When I'm going to get a .44, it's going to be a revolver. Most likely a S&W 629.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-18-2012, 11:38 AM

Now that is awesome. They are pretty cool looking guns, but I don't think I'd ever get one (unless I found one for dirt cheap). When I'm going to get a .44, it's going to be a revolver. Most likely a S&W 629.

Good luck finding a cheap Automag, and as I've said S&W makes the best revolver hands down, Ruger and Dan Wesson come a close second. The Ruger and Dan Wesson have a little stronger frame, but I don't think you will ever wear out a smith frame anytime soon.

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

01-18-2012, 04:21 PM

The Automag isn't one I'm interested in, but if I were to walk into a store and happened to see it for cheap, sure, I'd pick it up. However, there are much more important guns I'm saving up for.

After this debacle with the Weatherby gets cleared up, I think I may start to look into finding some sort of historical gun, whether it be an M1 Carbine, Garand, Mosin; something used in a previous war. It will really boil down to what I can find at a decent price. I'd much rather find a decently priced M1 Carbine though.

Taxi Driver Aaron

01-20-2012, 09:41 PM

WhiteFeather

01-21-2012, 01:51 PM

Taxi Driver Aaron

01-22-2012, 12:50 AM

WhiteFeather

01-25-2012, 05:11 PM

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-25-2012, 09:47 PM

So, I've decided my next gun purchase will be a .22 rifle (unless I come across some incredible deal I can't pass up). Ammo's cheap, they're fun and useful, I don't see why I shouldn't buy one.

I've been looking at the Ruger 10/22 and a Savage 64F. I'm kinda leaning towards the Savage, as I've heard that the Ruger isn't as accurate, plus I like the looks of it.

Any other guns I should take into consideration?

As always savage pretty much make the best factory barrel out there, the 10/22 is accurate enough for a .22 given the shorter effective range. shouldn't have trouble hitting anything within range with either the savage is probably a better tack driver though. If you can find an old Marlin bolt action that would be the ticket, very accurate from my experience anyway.

Regards,

Jung

Taxi Driver Aaron

01-25-2012, 10:38 PM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420710_10150619500716613_403367156612_11118858_179 6967247_n.jpg

Tchaikovsky

01-25-2012, 10:49 PM

http://i41.tinypic.com/33elkls.jpg

http://plus4chan.org/b/mspa/src/131870845897.jpg

WhiteFeather

01-26-2012, 12:59 PM

As always savage pretty much make the best factory barrel out there, the 10/22 is accurate enough for a .22 given the shorter effective range. shouldn't have trouble hitting anything within range with either the savage is probably a better tack driver though. If you can find an old Marlin bolt action that would be the ticket, very accurate from my experience anyway.

Regards,

Jung

I think what I'll do is go to a couple of different stores, see what they have used-wise and if they have any good quality .22 Marlins, I'll look more into those. If the selection is crappy, I'll start looking for the Savage. If the selection after that is so bad they don't even have that, I'll pick up a 10/22. One of the stores is bound to have at least one. I am kinda hoping for the Savage though. People are saying it's a little more accurate than the 10/22 and if that's true, then I would rather have that one.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-31-2012, 12:35 AM

The price was right so I told them to hang onto one for me

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/398743_2913549611174_1633681271_2507979_2123784613 _n.jpg

http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/SingleShotRifles/ArmiSportRifles.htm

Regards,

Jung

WhiteFeather

01-31-2012, 02:46 PM

Gotta love the old Sharps rifles, even if it is a reproduction. But still, $1400 ain't cheap. I can think of a couple rifles *coughM1Acough* I'd rather spend that kinda money on. But, to each his own. And it still is a cool looking, and if I'm not mistaken good shooting, rifle.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-31-2012, 05:27 PM

WhiteFeather

01-31-2012, 05:42 PM

I don't know of any M1A that will keep it's value like this one, and I'm thinking this one will most likely out shoot the M1A, specially when it comes to 1000 yards xD. That and I seem to have lots of .308s already. Always kinda wanted a Sharps too and I think this is about the best deal I've seen on them, and it wasn't 1400 either... it's good to be known ;)

Regards,

Jung

I thought the tag read 1400...:confused:

It's not so much that I don't want a Sharps. I think they're awesome. At this point, however, I'd much prefer an M1A if I were to spend that kind of money on a gun. The M1A/M14 was one of the first guns I saw that I really really wanted. But because of its price, that dream is on hold. The Sharps is like how I described the Automag. If I saw it for a really cheap price, I'd get one, but I'm not going to actively hunt one down and buy it.

My other hesitation with those types of weapons is the ammunition. The stores that are close by have a crap selection and can only get basic NATO rounds. Of course I could reload, but I'm too lazy sometimes.

But like I said earlier, to each his own.

jung_adore_ALIZEE

01-31-2012, 11:21 PM

WhiteFeather

02-01-2012, 12:36 AM

yes the tag reads 1400 but it helps to know people lol. also I think I enjoy reloading more than I do actually shooting and finding the right load for a certain gun is the most fun of all as you combine the two.

Regards,

Jung

Aaahh, I see. I wish there were a store like that around here, but most of the places that actually have guns are big name corporations like Cabelas, Bass Pro Shops, etc. There is one that is a local store, but they're pretty rigid with their pricing and don't really cut deals like that.

I'm still learning to reload, so right now, it can seem to be more of a hassle just because I'm not used to it right now. In time, I suppose...