Alizée-Forum vs AlizeeAmerica

[lapinschous]

http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?26284-Aliz%E9e-Forum-vs-AlizeeAmerica&p=877887#post877887

[lefty12357]

AF has been around longer than AAm. AAm was originally set up mostly to provide good quality videos of Alizée performances. It became an active forum in its own right and has since moved away from its original purpose.

Both forums at various times have had their slow periods, and both forums have had periods of conflict. No forum is perfect and each forum has its own culture and style. I think there is definitely a place for both forums in the world of Alizée, and its just a matter of determining which one suits your needs or appeals to your personal style. Having said that, there are members who belong to, and participate in both forums.

I hope we continue to have both forums, as it signifies to me that the Alizée fan base is alive and well, plus it doesn't hurt to have some redundancy in case one site were to go down for any length of time.

And let's not forget Alizée-France (http://alizee-france.forum-actif.net/), the French site. They have a nice site and it's probably the site to which Alizée pays the most attention, (assuming she even pays attention to the fan sites at all ;)).

So in the end, I'm glad we have multiple sites with varying approaches for serving the Alizée fan community, and I'd hate to lose any of them.

[ALS]

There are also two different styles or should I say feel between them. The two boards are not even close to the same or mirror each other. There are a lot of members that jump between them but the heavily active members on each board generally differ in their approach to the subject of Alizée. Best way to put it is we are more of a family on Alizée America where over on Alizée Forum they are a little more stiff and serious. Nothing wrong with that just it's different atmosphere between the boards.

[SpanishFan]

In my opinion AF is not a forum anymore. It is a board where members post the latest news or their video tributes. And I think they are very very good at that, the latest news often are posted first there and I visit AF almost every day to sneak a little bit.

But there is not a lot of interaction between members and that makes the place quite boring.
So I agree, it is great to have both places. But I prefer the company of the "crazy" people that writes over here:D

[Jake04]

At first, I wished there were only one Alizee fan forum. That way we'd have a more accurate count of how many active fans she really has. Also, it's kind hard for some to search for all Alizee-related news/articles. It would have been nice to have a "one-stop Alizee site" where you could get all your Alizee fix! :p It really makes you appreciate fans like Jenny, Karin, Katherine and others who post their videos not just in their own sites or forums but on multiple sites as well.:bow::bow::bow:
But, now I realized that is not possible and that's perfectly fine with me. And even though I'm not a member of other forums, I do follow/subscribed to most of them on fb and tweeter. ;) I'm glad that they continue to compliment one another. :2_thumbs:

[Tiwaz]

I like the energy/atmosphere here better and the layout is much better. AF gives me a headache, to big and bright.

[lefty12357]

It really makes you appreciate fans like Jenny, Karin, Katherine and others who post their videos not just in their own sites or forums but on multiple sites as well.

I couldn't agree with you more. It's wonderful that there are people who are willing to share. Maybe I don't say it often enough, but I am truly grateful to them.

[SpanishFan]

I couldn't agree with you more. It's wonderful that there are people who are willing to share. Maybe I don't say it often enough, but I am truly grateful to them.

And I am grateful to the mods and admins in here that let us express ourselves, even if in some occasions we criticise their decisions or even some lili decisions...
We don't say it often enough! ;)

[foxy]

In my opinion AF is not a forum anymore. It is a board where members post the latest news or their video tributes. And I think they are very very good at that, the latest news often are posted first there and I visit AF almost every day to sneak a little bit.

But there is not a lot of interaction between members and that makes the place quite boring.
So I agree, it is great to have both places. But I prefer the company of the "crazy" people that writes over here:D


I agree with your post!
Once in a while I visit AF to look for new videos/pictures, but I prefer this forum.
People over here are more kind and funny
and yeah, a bit "crazy" too :))

[ALS]

If you make the place too restrictive then people don't feel they can express their views and opinions openly. Diversity occurs naturally when the board has a feeling of openness. People feel welcome to express themselves with out the fear of offending someone because of their opposing views on the subject at hand. It can't be a free for all but limits that are broad enough so members don't feel they have a Catholic Nun standing over them with ruler just trying to find a reason to crack their knuckles. :13:

[Fall]

I've been to AF a few times but I've never joined, and I don't think I will either, keeping up with Alizée on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and AAm is enough, I can't imagine adding AF to that. I agree that AAm is like a family for (at least most of :p) its members, we had a Family Tree all worked out back in the old Flashchat days. :D I'm sure AF members feel at home there as well. I'm also very thankful we have members who are part of both, and share info, news and media back and forth. :)

they have a Catholic Nun standing over them with ruler just trying to find a reason to crack their knuckles. :13:
I've seen this picture painted of AF many times, and as much as I like to be fair to people, I can't shake it from my head.

[lapinschous]

I've been to AF a few times but I've never joined, and I don't think I will either, keeping up with Alizée on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and AAm is enough,

Well, all the latest is always on AF, and while there is normally 5 to 20 members online on Aam, the number never goes under 10-15 on AF .

Even though I personally find more fun on Aam than on AF, I think both boards have their qualities and that they should be fused into one to avoid splitting the fan community

[lefty12357]

Well, all the latest is always on AF, and while there is normally 5 to 20 members online on Aam, the number never goes under 10-15 on AF .

Even though I personally find more fun on Aam than on AF, I think both boards have their qualities and that they should be fused into one to avoid splitting the fan community

AAm and AF have different qualities because of their rules, policies and methods of moderating discussions. This in turn, attracts different types of members to each respective site. Some members function well in both environments and some don't.

Fusing the sites together would require one site to take on the culture, style and qualities of the other, which means, in effect, you would be losing one site and gaining nothing. You would get the same result by simply closing one site. Members would just disappear or switch to the site that is left.

I would argue that both sites are simply one click away if one wants to check out both of them. Having 2 different sites serves a broader range of users.

[Jordy]

AAm and AF have different qualities because of their rules, policies and methods of moderating discussions. This in turn, attracts different types of members to each respective site. Some members function well in both environments and some don't.

Fusing the sites together would require one site to take on the culture, style and qualities of the other, which means, in effect, you would be losing one site and gaining nothing. You would get the same result by simply closing one site. Members would just disappear or switch to the site that is left.

I would argue that both sites are simply one click away if one wants to check out both of them. Having 2 different sites serves a broader range of users.

+1

I absolutely agree. It's much better to have two a bit different forums. Especially now, when both sites get along quite well and there are no unpleasant persons around :)

[lapinschous]

Especially now, when both sites get along quite well :)


Well... :blink:

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[Plaz]

Well having been a really active member at one point on AF there was a "golden era". I joined in march of 2004 and got banned sometime in 2010. I used to do graphics for AF until i got banned and now imo it looks like a yahoo geocites page from 2000. Now mind you in my days of Alizee doesn't poop fandom there was no AAm quite yet. So af is all I had besides mfi which was a ghost town and the old school french alizee forums which i forgot the name of. I was pretty cool with the owner ric and alot of the other OG's from my time on AF. Still keep in touch with a select few over the years. Anyways us fans back then managed to get through a drought till Psych dropped (on my bday..lucky me!!!) and thats where I feel most of the change happened on af... Somewhere right before psych released and until the last album is where it got bumpy with users vs. admins/mods I feel. I myself felt like af became this conservative noone is right but the mods type of place and alot of others did too. Anyone who knows me from then knows i was pretty vocal on the forums about this change along with a few other members who somehow all got banned before i did. I dont know what its like these days, but it looks dead and im actually glad i made the move to aam when i did.

I am sure I missed a lot and could have enlightened more, but like I said AF was once THE spot to be for Alizee fans. I feel AAm is the better of the 2 not just because I'm not banned here :P... because we all know Plaz likes to have his fun and the mods here let me know when I've gone too far and don't ban without warning.

[melovelily]

Well... :blink:

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Hehe ......

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[Jordy]

Well... :blink:

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Oh well, that's just Ronny... if you disagree with him, you better just ignore him, but you can't deny at least he is honest... when he says things like this, he is serious, but also when he makes some positive comments, you can at least be sure he is serious as well...

Well having been a really active member at one point on AF there was a "golden era". I joined in march of 2004 and got banned sometime in 2010. I used to do graphics for AF until i got banned and now imo it looks like a yahoo geocites page from 2000. Now mind you in my days of Alizee doesn't poop fandom there was no AAm quite yet. So af is all I had besides mfi which was a ghost town and the old school french alizee forums which i forgot the name of. I was pretty cool with the owner ric and alot of the other OG's from my time on AF. Still keep in touch with a select few over the years. Anyways us fans back then managed to get through a drought till Psych dropped (on my bday..lucky me!!!) and thats where I feel most of the change happened on af... Somewhere right before psych released and until the last album is where it got bumpy with users vs. admins/mods I feel. I myself felt like af became this conservative noone is right but the mods type of place and alot of others did too. Anyone who knows me from then knows i was pretty vocal on the forums about this change along with a few other members who somehow all got banned before i did. I dont know what its like these days, but it looks dead and im actually glad i made the move to aam when i did.

I am sure I missed a lot and could have enlightened more, but like I said AF was once THE spot to be for Alizee fans. I feel AAm is the better of the 2 not just because I'm not banned here :P... because we all know Plaz likes to have his fun and the mods here let me know when I've gone too far and don't ban without warning.

There is a valid point in your post, and I agree with most of it, but to be fair... there were also few people who actually went way too far and they purposely started to cause problems so it was a time when mods started to losing their temper... and yea, it wasn't nice time on AF back then.

[Plaz]

Ignore RMJ he's a grumpy Viking!

Edit:

There is a valid point in your post, and I agree with most of it, but to be fair... there were also few people who actually went way too far and they purposely started to cause problems so it was a time when mods started to losing their temper... and yea, it wasn't nice time on AF back then.

Yeah towards the end it was just a lot of us trolling and laughing at Orion & Co. I know my mythical alizee sextape post is what got me banned, but by then I had already converted to here and didn't care for AF anymore as a forum.

[Un-rêve]

I'm a member of both AA and AF and both forums are great in my opinion.. both have great members and both provide me with invaluable Alizée news, discussions, etc. Nonetheless before I even joined these two epic forums dedicated to our angel I had been a member of MF International.. I joined that forum first dedicated to French music and Alizée back in 2003 but I've always been aware of AF and other forums dedicated to our girl. I've used different nicks in each forum I've been a part of and although I don't post much in anyone of them and not at all in MF anymore, I still frequent AA and AF all the time. Well it's funny because in the old days I was there to defend Alizée from many bad comments on MF but I learnt to brush them under the rug but I guess whether good or bad I'll always part of it.

Well there were some good members over at MF.. but this forum and AF are the place for me right now.. I always enjoy reading the posts of other Alizée comrades who truly love her.

[texasguy]

Alizée France is far-and-away the best place to read the latest news and AAm offers the friendliest atmosphere for discussions and what-not, so I rarely have the need to visit AF anymore. But hey, the more forums dedicated to our girl the better.

[Jake04]

Well... :blink:
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RMJ is a good guy. He was hanging-out with our very own Scruffy just last month. Besides, I could never get mad at RMJ. He brought me so many joys with his photos and videos of Alizee! We still love you, Ronny! :hello: (Please keep sharing.) :pray::D

Alizée France is far-and-away the best place to read the latest news

Yeah. AAM is like the red-headed member of the family. We always get hands-me-down! :D

AAm offers the friendliest atmosphere for discussions and what-not, so I rarely have the need to visit AF anymore. But hey, the more forums dedicated to our girl the better.

Have you read some of the threads lately? :p Makes me curious what's going on in other forums! :D

[texasguy]

Have you read some of the threads lately? :p Makes me curious what's going on in other forums! :D

Weeeeell alright it's not always pleasant here, but most of the bickering lately has just been about all the weird stalking stuff.

I just mean that I've seen some users treated rather rudely on AF before for no reason, and not a lot of that goes on here in my opinion.

[Plaz]

I just mean that I've seen some users treated rather rudely on AF before for no reason, and not a lot of that goes on here in my opinion.

Quoted for truth!!!



Weeeeell alright it's not alwaysmost of the bickering lately has just been about all the weird stalking stuff.


This discussion has never gone away and never ends nice.. I like to think of it like a phase of fandom. I've noticed most of us at one time or another have had that 24/7 nonstop of her music, pics, and vids phase.... While most eventually grow out of it.....the others who don't become creepy in our eyes because we grew past that and they're still there living and breathing alizee..... as if there was nothing else to do. Some do come across as borderline stalkers and some as just a fan with too much time and nothing else to do. I've learned to just let them be unless I feel like having a good laugh.

[Un-rêve]

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[SpanishFan]

RMJ is a good guy.


Oh, no, no... not at all. That would be an insult to my (rather poor) intelligence. At AF he is rude, arrogant, and overreacts most of the time, insulting other members. I am sure that he is nicer in person, otherwise he would get punch in the face almost everyday here in Spain. (if he still leaves here...)

Any other member with that same attitude would be banned, but because he is a member who provides such excellent material to the fans, people prefer to look to other side and ignore that.

So basically he can do or say what he wants knowing that he will never be banned, anyway someone will delete later on the offensive messages and will clean all his mess. I admit sometimes is quite funny to witness those episodes.
Meanwhile, some members leave the forum because of him, but of course that fact is ignored, the reason for the inactivity of members and the lack of debate over there is only due to Alizée inactivity. :13:









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And that is why there are no more debates over there. In here there are some crazy topics sometimes, but there is nobody acting stupid and insulting by default.
But I never read anybody saying what I just said, so maybe I got it all wrong, maybe he is a role model for how everybody should behave in a forum board...

On a positive note, he provides us with excellent material all the time.
And I trust his judgements about Alizée, because I consider him very objetive. If she sings a song badly or if she does something stupid, he is the first to admit it and say it, and that is very good because in my eyes it gives him credibility.

[Jenny_HRO87]

ok before all this ends in "AF sucks because they allow RMJ to stay and its members are rude bla bla" I would like to add my two cents. I knew why I wasn't totally happy when I saw this topic. And originally I didn't really wanted to write anything here because I thought it might get nasty. I know that there were some discussions about AF on here in the past, even some members were talking bad about it (maybe also some ex-members) but I always tried to ignore that. Talking behind people's back is never nice. ok forget the last bit.

Ok I wrote my personal view about the difference between AF and AAm already over at AF so this is my general opinion about both places

oh I love leftys very kind and diplomatic post at AAm about this...

Well... when I joined AF in 2008 some people already were complaining a tiny bit that a lot of "old" members aren't here anymore but this was nothing against now... a lot of people left during Alizée's silence between Psychédélices and UEDS I think and now it's even worse but we also "lost" several members to AAm...

I don't really know why... probably because of some arguments caused by a few members... or simply because people don't really post anymore because it's so silent here... which sucks because it does only make it worse... it's a vicious circle... I mean sometimes even I am like "why am I doing all this anyway" because it's pretty dead in the German forum... sometimes it is really frustrating... I can understand of people say "why going here when I could have a lot more conversations at AAm?"

Personally I prefer AF over AAm because of several reasons...

I've been here nearly 5 years now and even if a lot of people are gone I made really good friends here and it's like a family to me. AAm is more... ok I'm currently torn between being brutally honest and being too polite to say anything... let's say sometimes they have a bit too less supervision in AAm, like Jordy said, sometimes you read a conversation and 3 posts later it's something totally different and you look at it and simply don't understand where this suddenly all came from.... and sometimes you just read a topic and feel like "ok.... you can over-analyse things"... and sometimes they (well some of them) are a bit too "crazy" for me, I'm sure they are all lovely people but let's say... AF is to me like this bunch of friends you know and even if you don't talk for ages - when you do it after months again it feels like there never has passed by more time than a couple of days... AAm is more like when you go to a party and have a more or less nice time and when the night is over you are just glad when you go back home... because you don't feel completely comfortable and you don't fit in because people know each other there so much longer and have their inside jokes and you just sometimes feel a bit out of place and stuff... but this is me. I'm not good in partying and I've been too long here at AF in my daily routine to get the hang of AAm.

So AF might be a little dead but as long as someone is still here I will be here too

ok was I too honest? I hope if the guys from AAm read this they won't kill me.


ok but seriously I'm re-reading my post and it sounds that I didn't like AAm at all but that's NOT true....

What I love about AAm is their enthusiasm... sometimes I feel that we kinda lost this enthusiasm here a bit..

Ok and now about RMJ. yes, he can be rude sometimes and he swears a lot. I might not agree with his way to talk to people sometimes but it's the way he does it. You get used to it. He isn't a bad guy. I met him several times and he's nice. Yes it wasn't totally nice to him to talk to this member in this way and it's sad that he left. But Ronny got a point.... I remember this topic and this user really didn't write any valid post in this thread. Ronny has a very direct way of putting things but he was right. If that user is reading this I hope he won't be offended.

And talking about being rude... RMJ might be a bit offensive sometimes but... ok well I never really wanted to bring that up but sometimes you guys can be rude too, you know? Sometimes you start insult each other either even if you might only call it "bickering". You say that you are more allowed to express your opinions here but sometimes it seems that some of you overuse it. I won't say any names. But there are offensive people in every forum not only at AF. I remember a user here who always seemed a bit weird to me (well perhaps it was just me). He created a lot of topics and some were interesting, some were weird and some posts he wrote were just sick. He was that kind of person who could take a sentence you said - totally out of context - and turn it into something totally different. Or you were talking about something and he took the entire topic and made something totally different out of it. All in all he made you feel like a stupid idiot and when you tried to answer it was like fighting windmills, what ever you said he would take it and make something new out of it and more or less laughing about you struggling to get out of this shit - without losing your temper. Perhaps this was only my personal problem but I found THIS really insulting. And he was the reason why I was pretty fed up with AAm for a while because I already was angry when I saw his username. I don't know what the mods told him when I was so fed up that I finally reported one of his really offensive posts because I might make a fool out of myself really often, I endure a lot but sometimes it's just enough. I don't think he got banned (as being an admin myself I would probably would have banned him even if only for a while but yes he guys have a different way to deal with this... So to the admins/mods who read this: no offence guys!) But he also wrote really weird stuff about Alizée sometimes, even misinterpreted some stuff she said on purpose and this did upset me even more.

and now I wanna ask you - what is better? Because personally I find that the 2nd way to insult someone is a lot more offensive than the stuff Ronny does.

So if you mainly judge AF because of RMJ... well I don't know.

and if someone feels offended because of this post I apologise in advance but I just had to write this down.

but there are no "better" and "worse" fans. We might be in different forums but we all love Alizée.

And isn't that all what counts?

[lefty12357]

ok well I never really wanted to bring that up but sometimes you guys can be rude too, you know? Sometimes you start insult each other either even if you might only call it "bickering". You say that you are more allowed to express your opinions here but sometimes it seems that some of you overuse it. I won't say any names. But there are offensive people in every forum not only at AF.

I totally agree. There have been times when the bickering and personal name-calling and attacks have made me want to leave myself. But I guess every forum is somewhat vulnerable to these kinds of episodes.

I remember a user here who always seemed a bit weird to me (well perhaps it was just me). He created a lot of topics and some were interesting, some were weird and some posts he wrote were just sick. He was that kind of person who could take a sentence you said - totally out of context - and turn it into something totally different. Or you were talking about something and he took the entire topic and made something totally different out of it. All in all he made you feel like a stupid idiot and when you tried to answer it was like fighting windmills, what ever you said he would take it and make something new out of it and more or less laughing about you struggling to get out of this shit - without losing your temper. Perhaps this was only my personal problem but I found THIS really insulting. And he was the reason why I was pretty fed up with AAm for a while because I already was angry when I saw his username. I don't know what the mods told him when I was so fed up that I finally reported one of his really offensive posts because I might make a fool out of myself really often, I endure a lot but sometimes it's just enough. I don't think he got banned (as being an admin myself I would probably would have banned him even if only for a while but yes he guys have a different way to deal with this... So to the admins/mods who read this: no offence guys!) But he also wrote really weird stuff about Alizée sometimes, even misinterpreted some stuff she said on purpose and this did upset me even more.

I believe I know of whom you speak. The mods were aware of his activities and he was permanently banned. I'm sorry this happened. I don't want anyone to be made to feel uncomfortable here.

and if someone feels offended because of this post I apologise in advance but I just had to write this down.

but there are no "better" and "worse" fans. We might be in different forums but we all love Alizée.

And isn't that all what counts?

Speaking for myself, I am not offended at all and there is no need to apologize. In fact I pretty much agree with all you said.

And a note to everyone - let's not make this discussion about individuals and let's not mention people by name, especially if they can't come here and defend themselves.

[SpanishFan]

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Thank you for taking the time to write that post, it is very interesting and I have to agree with you in everything you said.
I was not attacking AF through my critics to one member. It is not like that, maybe I should kept that opinion to myself. When he said Alizee America was "full of idiots and americans" I felt like writing my opinion about him as a forum member, not as a person since I never met him personally.
I would like to add to my earlier post that I consider him one of the most important members of the Alizée comunity and as I said, I know that he is not the same guy in person than he is in the forums.
So even with his rude behavior I find him interesting to read him and the AF forum, I don't have any problem to separate both aspects.

I wonder if he is one of the people who can not come here to defend himself, I don't know if he is banned here or something, so I will leave it there after this post, just in case.
It is not about better or worse fans, it is about opinions. I understand the people who says he is a good guy, and I have my opinion about him, it is only that, an opinion, I am not a jugge.
I know that maybe I am annoying to some members too, I could take that, I won't insult anyone for thinking like that:D

I agree this threads are kind of "dangerous" in a way, and maybe not worthy the risk, but I have to say I like Jenny's post very much and I thank her for sharing her feelings:)
And of course, "AF does suck because RMJ" is far from the truth... AF is a great place in part because of him. My point was that the debates in there are not the same anymore because of his attitude sometimes... I don´t like to get insulted every time I say something he does not agree with, that is why I am only a reader in there. And I miss posting in the spanish section!
It affects only that aspect imho, not the whole forum! ;)

[ALS]

Why do you think I wrote the comment that I did. It was sarcasm letting him know his view of this board and Americans in general didn't bother me and I could make a joke about it.

Two things you can do in response to comments like his is ignore them and don't give the person the pleasure that they hit a nerve or make a joke about it.

A couple of weeks ago Karin made a sarcastic comment in jest and all hell broke loose with a few members. If you've been here long enough and picked up on her personality you would have known she was being snarky.

[lapinschous]

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I think that ALS and Garfie pretty much summed it all up ...


What really matters is the attractiveness of the boards for potential members and the information that they may come up with.

http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?26284-Aliz%E9e-Forum-and-AlizeeAmerica/page2

[SpanishFan]

Very true and here is an example: Some people, not necessarily limited to this forum, constantly saying they know a lot of secrets of her or that they know the location of her house... There is no need to say that you know that kind of info unless you want to big up yourself...
I am glad I am just a regular and clueless normal fan:p

[lapinschous]

I just noticed that AAm members were just as international as the ones from AF... :p Alizée France too should open its doors to international fans... unfortunately the french language massively reduces the number of candidates.

[Jake04]

I just noticed that AAm members were just as international as the ones from AF... :p Alizée France too should open its doors to international fans... unfortunately the french language massively reduces the number of candidates.

We met them outside of fnac after the event. Like I've said before on the other thread, they were really nice people. Cynthia asked us if we visit Alizee France as well. I told her through her friend who were translating for us that a lot of us would love to but couldn't because of the language barrier. I mentioned to her though that a lot of us follow them on fb and/or twitter.

[Plaz]

Just saw Orion commented about my past on AF. I am pretty sure most here know the multiple events that I was involved with there...Plaz Uprise (took place before PSYCH was even planned) which had full on propaganda and an admin that gave us access to the admin forum to see what they said about us.... and the great sextape which got me banned for the lulz.... I think I mentioned it in previous post in this thread... I also did a lot of helping there too before and in between my bouts when admin disliked me or i disliked them.... not just with having an random updates/info/pics on Alizee, but with helping the owner Ric with multiple designs (some still being used), transferring old info to new updated pages, and various other side projects. I'm sure I offended more than a handful on AF during my final days...I'm not sorry, but I did contribute alot for someone who did nothing but wrong in some users and admins eyes.