Epic YouTube comment on Alizee video

[CleverCowboy]

Posted 18 hours ago on one of the Gourmandises videos that made me laugh:

"l used to live calm peaceful life until l first time saw her...after that my life is madness"

Yeah, I totally relate to it buddy!

[Scruffydog777]

She is definitely a game changer for a lot of people!

[ALS]

The best one I ever saw was on Jen ai Marre a few years ago.

A guy who claimed to be as gay as they come, said he'd go straight to be with her. :p

Here's a couple more from the video below: :D

holidayingermany 2 months ago
I'm gay but I think this video is making me straight.

retrovlogs 1 month ago
I think this video can be used by the church and make gay men straight.

Check out the comments from a video that's almost 15 years old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6omsDyFNlk

[eru777]

ALS, your signature is hypnotizing.

[comjoz]

retrovlogs 1 month ago
I think this video can be used by the church and make gay men straight.

:D .......

[CleverCowboy]

If you read the YouTube comments much on Alizee's videos, you have run across Michal Bawor. He posts these really strange "comments" on many of her videos. Sometimes there are isolated ones, sometimes many in a row.

It's like he uses some kind of random phrase generator. It's been going on for a long time.

This one is from three weeks ago:

alizee = you are backfilling me = worlds = burning = w = one = moment = you are moving = me into Regions = Love = Most beautiful = Dreams = To = ALIZEE

WHAT?

[Scruffydog777]

Interesting stuff. The guy must be a poet.

[CleverCowboy]

Interesting stuff. The guy must be a poet.

I have thought that as well. Then for a while I thought it was a bot because there were like 25 consecutive comments, all different but in the same format.

None are ever derogatory in any way. He just has his own way of expressing his admiration.

Here is another one from 3 weeks ago..

Alizee = You look = Flowed = After = Worlds = Beautiful = Nothing Like = Even = No = I knew = What is = Beauty = A = Voice = Worlds = See = All = Streams = Beautiful = When = I have = Your = Touch = Its = I am = In the Seventh Delights of Dreams

[Scruffydog777]

I wasn't able to click on that...

[CleverCowboy]

The Alizee YouTube video comment on the day is on La Isla Bonita, 3 days ago:

"I was really wondering for a long time if she was or is the most beautiful woman I ve seen (live or not). She is. So far I havent seen any which is more beautiful than her. Simply speechless."

Reading this took me back a long time ago, when I saw my first Alizee video, which was JEAM. I couldn't believe what I was watching. All the features that I found so attractive in women (and I am very picky), which I might have had one or two at a time in a past girlfriend, was fully manifested in one package.

She won that title for me as well and probably won't be unthroned.

[Shepherd]

"I was really wondering for a long time if she was or is the most beautiful woman I ve seen (live or not). She is. So far I havent seen any which is more beautiful than her. Simply speechless."


This is a subject I have beat my brains out over. It makes no sense to become enamored with a woman there is no possibility of having a relationship with. To do so is a form of insanity. What we are attracted to may not even exist. We have no way to know who she really is. All we see is her public persona: that which she chooses to show us. Whatever we think of her is our own invention. That it should dominate our lives is crazy.

It's hard to say Alizee is the most physically attractive woman. There are untold numbers of beautiful women, and how do you measure one gorgeous woman over another. Their qualities are all different. I see women all the time who are more beautiful than Alizee, but I have no interest in them. There is something undefinable about her that goes beyond the physical. She stands out. Why? It's not--strictly speaking--the woman herself, but the eye of the beholder. For me, Alizee is "je ne sais quoi." She adds a richness to my life that I'm not willing to surrender.


http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=221&pictureid=2430

[Scruffydog777]

I tend to think a big reason for her unique beauty is because it's a Corsican beauty.

[Shepherd]

I have no idea what she is saying, but I love the way she says it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV_xOiX2J_w

[eru777]

She reminds me of Arale. Like a grown up version of Arale

[CleverCowboy]

This is a subject I have beat my brains out over. It makes no sense to become enamored with a woman there is no possibility of having a relationship with. To do so is a form of insanity. What we are attracted to may not even exist. We have no way to know who she really is. All we see is her public persona: that which she chooses to show us. Whatever we think of her is our own invention. That it should dominate our lives is crazy.

It's hard to say Alizee is the most physically attractive woman. There are untold numbers of beautiful women, and how do you measure one gorgeous woman over another. Their qualities are all different. I see women all the time who are more beautiful than Alizee, but I have no interest in them. There is something undefinable about her that goes beyond the physical. She stands out. Why? It's not--strictly speaking--the woman herself, but the eye of the beholder. For me, Alizee is "je ne sais quoi." She adds a richness to my life that I'm not willing to surrender.


Good post.

I too have repeatedly given myself "sanity checks" over the years since this woman came into my life. I think by doing so we prove ourselves sane, because the truly insane wouldn't question their own sanity!

She may represent an ideal that perhaps does not exist in real life, but we want. What we see of her on her videos, or read of her, might be a result of brilliant acting on her part. Perhaps what we see is partially who she really is. Perhaps she is pretty close behind the scenes as she is on camera. At the end of the day, does it really matter? She is obviously fulfilling some need we have that we cannot quite put a finger on.

The expression "getting bit by the Lili Bug" has been tossed around for quite some time, but it's a real thing. How does one explain it? Does Taylor Swift slay men's hearts like Alizee? Taylor Swift is gorgeous and is great to look at, but beyond her looks, she means nothing to me.

The best way I can explain the Lili Bug phenomenon is the scene from The Godfather, where Michael Corleone is exiled in Sicily for a while. He is walking in the countryside when he crosses a group of women and schoolchildren, and suddenly has eye contact with one of the women, Appolonia. Michael just stands there, stunned and speechless. One of the men with him comments that he got hit by "the thunderbolt". Maybe this explains everything :)

The first 30 seconds of this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAgB3qxvRkU

Edit:

I tend to think a big reason for her unique beauty is because it's a Corsican beauty.

This might have some merit to it. With all the hair styles and colors that she has tried, I like her the best when she has her natural black hair.

[Rev]

In that clip, you noticed them walk through the town after the wedding.

Alizée walked through the town she was married in prior to the wedding. I wonder if they did something after the wedding as well? :)

[Scruffydog777]

................ Taylor Swift is gorgeous and is great to look at, but beyond her looks, she means nothing to me.............



........This might have some merit to it. With all the hair styles and colors that she has tried, I like her the best when she has her natural black hair.

I always thought Shania Twain was a very beautiful woman, Faith Hill too, not to mentions Katy Perry and Linda Ronstadt and I loved their music, but never had the urge to follow them or get their autographs or see them perform. That all changed with Alizée.

That brings up a question as to what do people think her best hair color is? It seems most of the time it is brunette. There are times it looks auburnish and there are times it looks black. There are times when she was younger and I think they wanted it to be black for certain pictures so if they dyed it, was it a temporary thing, or maybe they just filtered the pictures to make it look black. Keep in mind too that in the summer she usually gets a lot of sun which can have a lightening affect on the hair.

After the Blonde promotion ended, it was interesting the color she dyed it. I think she was trying for auburn, but to me, it looked reddish (5th one down) and I thought it looked awful, maybe it was the style I didn't like, and soon after that it went much darker. Was she trying for her natural color if that was her natural color after Blonde?


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[CleverCowboy]

Like the wind, Alizee changed her hair color and style often.

Based on some of her childhood pictures, her hair is naturally dark. There was one where she had very long hair, standing next to her little brother and a pilot in front of a jet (after winning the contest) where the ends of her hair is bleached a lighter brown by the sun. But as in the case of most people, hair tends to get darker with age.

I would say this picture represents her natural hair color. My opinion only.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/924/yZtYNX.jpg


Maybe she dyed it darker, but this hair color is my absolute favorite. It set her apart from the pack in my eyes.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/922/MNI0AU.jpg


Her black hair could not save this haircut :fear: NOTHING could save this haircut. All I can think of is what she was thinking, what her stylist was thinking? Alizee has small, beautiful ears, but they stick out like an elf. So glad it didn't last long!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/923/hHuKfh.jpg


My least favorite color on her was when she went auburn red. It just did not go with her complexion well.

As far as her styles, she looks good in so many, but the one below just punches me right in the face. The part is off-center and her bangs are longer. It's a little messier look where her hair is not perfectly in place. Her hair tends to drape over her left eye a bit while she is dancing. The effect is over the top sexy that it is hard to describe.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/924/7SkOuZ.jpg

[Scruffydog777]

Her black hair could not save this haircut :fear: NOTHING could save this haircut. All I can think of is what she was thinking, what her stylist was thinking? Alizee has small, beautiful ears, but they stick out like an elf. So glad it didn't last long!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/923/hHuKfh.jpg



I agree about that hair cut. I think it was a terrible look for her.

[CleverCowboy]

One of my favorite comments. It was left on the Ella Elle L'a video.

Rafael Rufino 1 week ago
Why is it I want to fight for France's future more than French men do? Seriously, look at her. France is worth protecting.

[Scruffydog777]

That is a good one!

[CleverCowboy]

We all know that Alizee can make a gay man straight and a straight woman gay, but she now has medicinal purposes.

Left on J'en Ai Marre video:

Rafi Kabir 1 hour ago
This video can cure cancer...for real

[Edsel Di Meo]

Like the wind, Alizee changed her hair color and style often.

Based on some of her childhood pictures, her hair is naturally dark. There was one where she had very long hair, standing next to her little brother and a pilot in front of a jet (after winning the contest) where the ends of her hair is bleached a lighter brown by the sun. But as in the case of most people, hair tends to get darker with age.

I would say this picture represents her natural hair color. My opinion only.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/924/yZtYNX.jpg


Maybe she dyed it darker, but this hair color is my absolute favorite. It set her apart from the pack in my eyes.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/922/MNI0AU.jpg



Those hair styles are my favorite! I really really love her look in Mes courant electriques era <3!

[Scruffydog777]

I'd say it was the Jam hair style I liked the most....


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[kulli]

I like this hair style and this is one of my favorite performances. Her dark hair, her brown eyes and in combination with this beautiful colored sweater suits her so well. She could dance all day long in her sailor suit I still would pick this outfit over it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPYzmCIF2Vo

[CleverCowboy]

I like this hair style and this is one of my favorite performances. Her dark hair, her brown eyes and in combination with this beautiful colored sweater suits her so well. She could dance all day long in her sailor suit I still would pick this outfit over it

Definitely a great outfit for Alizee. She is one of a kind in that she can be dressed from top to bottom and I don't want to change a thing.

Regarding the classic sailor suit, I actually like it better when she wears slacks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cCDnIJ3HMA


With her hair dark and parted in the middle, it is probably my second favorite look. The part slightly to the right side of her head is my very favorite (like in my avatar), and how she looked at the Jai pas vignt ans Eiffel Tower Performance is about as close to perfection as somebody can get.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/924/raDUVP.jpg

[Rev]

"I love the Red Fish." :)

[Scruffydog777]

Here's a comment on my 22 minute video history from a while back....

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[eru777]

Yes he is right. Alizee has the extremely rare ability of combining both cute and sexy.

http://i.imgur.com/kj4fVD9.jpg

Look at my sig and you'll see funny too.

[CleverCowboy]

Here's a comment on my 22 minute video history from a while back....

I like comments like these because this guy is totally laying it all out. He probably watched the video 20 times before he felt like he had to say something.

[kulli]

I like comments like these because this guy is totally laying it all out. He probably watched the video 20 times before he felt like he had to say something.

I wonder why he is not posting like crazy in this forum . I hope you gave him a forum link?:))

[Ajaccio]

This is a subject I have beat my brains out over. It makes no sense to become enamored with a woman there is no possibility of having a relationship with. To do so is a form of insanity. What we are attracted to may not even exist. We have no way to know who she really is. All we see is her public persona: that which she chooses to show us. Whatever we think of her is our own invention. That it should dominate our lives is crazy.

It's hard to say Alizee is the most physically attractive woman. There are untold numbers of beautiful women, and how do you measure one gorgeous woman over another. Their qualities are all different. I see women all the time who are more beautiful than Alizee, but I have no interest in them. There is something undefinable about her that goes beyond the physical. She stands out. Why? It's not--strictly speaking--the woman herself, but the eye of the beholder. For me, Alizee is "je ne sais quoi." She adds a richness to my life that I'm not willing to surrender.


It's difficult to combine common sense and love.

[Rev]

Beautiful vs simply a beauty. :)

[ALS]

I like comments like these because this guy is totally laying it all out. He probably watched the video 20 times before he felt like he had to say something.

I bet it was 50 times with me when I first ran across her in La Isla Bonita :aha:

That was before I went to another web board to find out WHO this girl was.

[CleverCowboy]

I bet it was 50 times with me when I first ran across her in La Isla Bonita :aha:

La Isla Bonita is the second most popular gateway drug leading people to Alizee fanship (or is it obsession?), with JEM having the top spot. No surprises there.

I do like to review the comments fairly often. One recurring word I see quite a bit is the word PERFECT, which is something I don't think I was ever called, including my own mother ;)

Some JEM comments from the last several days:

sttonep 3 hours ago
my brain capacity is not enough to handle the fact that she looks PERFECT. help

triquet tonek 14 hours ago
She is just perfect

Ronald Major 3 days ago
Omg seems I just found the definition of perfect ((

Christopher Galicia 3 days ago
Me hace llorar el hecho de ver tanta perfección en una mujer tan joven, sus facciones, su cuerpo, su voy tierna, deja que la música fluya y la siente en el corazón
Translation: It makes me cry to see such perfection in such a young woman, her features, her body, her tenderness, let the music flow and feel it in her heart

Flawius90 3 days ago
Perfect Woman!

enginesol 4 days ago
Joder...cada milimetro en esta mujer es PERFECTO!!!
Translation: F*ck ... every millimeter in this woman is PERFECT !!!

And so on....

How can one possibly meet the expectation of perfection like this? I can understand why Alizee would be as private as she is.

[Scruffydog777]

Another comment made on my video history. I decided to redo this video to correct many of the glaring video discrepancies caused by interlacing. I will also work to make most of the frames the same size, except where it would create distortion.

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[Scruffydog777]

I had another comment today on the 'Video history' video. The comment itself wasn't so much which was in Russian and translates to 'How different it is', but more I guess the person posting it. I went to his home page and he has only 5 videos and they are all of it looks like his home area and life around it. He has one of a snow mobile. He has one where he says roads in the town are much cleaner than those in the village and I guess he was talking about the snow on the road, so he must live in a small village. He also had a picture of a dead bird and I'm guessing maybe a fox got to one of his birds.

But in this village in a cold part of Russia, he found Alizée and like he said, it must be quite different from what he is used to. I replied "She has changed the lives of many people around the world" and I translated it to Russian too.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7RgKB_YJcc&lc=z22jsdc4zmrbudzk1acdp433i2wkjsh1x2lltrfgeuxw03c 010c&feature=em-comments

[CleverCowboy]

But in this village in a cold part of Russia, he found Alizée and like he said, it must be quite different from what he is used to. I replied "She has changed the lives of many people around the world" and I translated it to Russian too.

It's interesting how popular Alizee is in Russia. I see many comments in Russian on her videos and I don't translate them all, but the ones I have had been all positive.

[eru777]

I've also seen many Russian comments, it seems she is still really popular there and in Mexico as well.

[Scruffydog777]

Another comment that translated to "I always love the spontaneity of Alizee and the face of joy when she is applauded".

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[Scruffydog777]

Here's another comment that's not really epic in nature but noteworthy it's from China from someone who said he's been a fan for 10 years now.

"I am a Chinese fan and love alizee for over ten years.i hope that lili can make more songs or albums.love alizee"

I don't see an avalanche of comments on Youtube, but it seems there is a steady amount coming from all over, China, Russia, France and it seems it's been more in the last year than it was in previous years.

I also mention our forum now to them as kulli had mentioned.

EDIT: I have 3 Youtube channels. On this one, the majority of the videos have been there since before 2017.
The views during all of 2017 were 17,104
The views for this year, a little shy of 4 months is 11,759. That should work out to 35,000 for the year.

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[VitaminAlizée333]

On YT there was comment about Gourmandises "It is like a summer day" if I remember it right...

[CleverCowboy]

I don't see an avalanche of comments on Youtube, but it seems there is a steady amount coming from all over, China, Russia, France and it seems it's been more in the last year than it was in previous years.

I agree. Alizee's videos continue to be popular all over the world with no sign of tapering off.

[CleverCowboy]

I got a kick out of this one. I think we were all here at one point and maybe some still are. It was posted on her JEM video.

Ronald Panian
6 days ago
My God I swear Alieeze has me spinning about something fearce! I am a young 45 yrs.old and she gives me those butterfly's in my gut ,you the feeling when you about 15 or 16 and you in puppy love with that girl down the street you don't want to eat or sleep or do nothing but think about her 24-7 so f*cking love sick it is just amazing .That is how I feel when I see Alieeze it takes me back to those mems. God I am in love with her something fearce. Oh Lord have mercy the agony of it is intoxicating.

[kulli]

I got a kick out of this one. I think we were all here at one point and maybe some still are. It was posted on her JEM video.

Ronald Panian
6 days ago
My God I swear Alieeze has me spinning about something fearce! I am a young 45 yrs.old and she gives me those butterfly's in my gut ,you the feeling when you about 15 or 16 and you in puppy love with that girl down the street you don't want to eat or sleep or do nothing but think about her 24-7 so f*cking love sick it is just amazing .That is how I feel when I see Alieeze it takes me back to those mems. God I am in love with her something fearce. Oh Lord have mercy the agony of it is intoxicating.

Typical symptoms of an Lili bug bite. It's got him pretty badly.

[CleverCowboy]

Typical symptoms of an Lili bug bite. It's got him pretty badly.

Maybe I am wrong, but this phenomenon is something that seems unique to Alizee.

[CleverCowboy]

OK, this is a comment on La Isla Bonita. I had a serious laugh reading this one
:)))


Florin Voloc
4 days ago
I like much this song,I like much Alizee and more when Alizee is singing.But when put together Alizee and music it seems that I'm in paradise,even if my tooth hurts.

[Scruffydog777]

OK, this is a comment on La Isla Bonita. I had a serious laugh reading this one
:)))


Florin Voloc
4 days ago
I like much this song,I like much Alizee and more when Alizee is singing.But when put together Alizee and music it seems that I'm in paradise,even if my tooth hurts.

Well this guy would be in 7th heaven if Alizee was also a dentist. I wonder how you say 'Rinse!' in French?

[CleverCowboy]

Well this guy would be in 7th heaven if Alizee was also a dentist. I wonder how you say 'Rinse!' in French?

:)). The tooth part seems so random. Or maybe dental issues are common in his part of the world.

If Alizee was my dentist, I would never brush or floss and eat a lot of candy!

[Scruffydog777]

Here's another comment on my video history. We've seen the first part before.... The second part translated to "If even Julio Iglesias is drooling with this beauty".
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[CleverCowboy]

"If even Julio Iglesias is drooling with this beauty".

:))) Why they pick Julio out of everybody in the world? He must be getting up there in age, and might be drooling with or without Alizee.

[Scruffydog777]

:))) Why they pick Julio out of everybody in the world? He must be getting up there in age, and might be drooling with or without Alizee.

Well I agree with you, after all, I think I mentioned not that long ago there was a song I like by Julio's son....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sg-A-eS6Ig
but more so, a song by a young woman who does a cover song for this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQlghAHMHbY

But I have to think the reason they mention Julio, instead of his son is because of this performance when she danced in front of Julio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZwiibztlrQ

[CleverCowboy]

but more so, a song by a young woman who does a cover song for this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQlghAHMHbY


Geez, I never thought that violin playing can be so sexy :D

[Scruffydog777]

Geez, I never thought that violin playing can be so sexy :D

If you like that, look her up. She has about a dozen of these type of videos, but the only one I really enjoy is this one.

[Scruffydog777]

Here's a comment someone made on both my Alcaline En Concert and K.O. En Concert videos. He said genial. I'm not sure if he meant that in the true sense of the word.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI1-37rXM74

[CleverCowboy]

Here's a comment someone made on both my Alcaline En Concert and K.O. En Concert videos. He said genial. I'm not sure if he meant that in the true sense of the word.


The English definition of genial is "friendly and cheerful". Certainly Alizee fits the definition, but it is an odd comment for a video.

Because of his name, I was thinking maybe it is a Spanish word, so I put it through a translator and the English translation is "Great". This makes more sense.

By the way, great job on the vids! It actually looks like she was singing those songs. I can tell you spent a great deal of time on them. They are genial! ;)

[Scruffydog777]

The English definition of genial is "friendly and cheerful". Certainly Alizee fits the definition, but it is an odd comment for a video.

Because of his name, I was thinking maybe it is a Spanish word, so I put it through a translator and the English translation is "Great". This makes more sense.

By the way, great job on the vids! It actually looks like she was singing those songs. I can tell you spent a great deal of time on them. They are genial! ;)

Thanks. The English definition didn't make sense.
Ray was a big help with this and also the K.O. video.

[Scruffydog777]

Here's a comment on my Alcaline - En Concert video I put together from a woman with what appears to be a Russian name, made on June 9th. There's no info available on her page. I did thank her and asked her what country she is from.

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Miracle, how it moves! Nice to look at!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI1-37rXM74&lc=z23tdpyaanbsxzptdacdp432up3a2s22ocsurkgsoydw03c 010c

[Scruffydog777]

Here's a comment on Chistophe Willems singing of Alizée's song 'Idealizer" during the SAGA show in 2014.


Canzone molto cognoscente, Bravo= Very knowledgeable song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUBLxEQB41M&lc=z222hvcj2xaignle5acdp43affma03y31c0zyqbwxsxw03c 010c

[Scruffydog777]

Another comment today on this performance in Spain. The video I had of this performance had some stripes at the bottom of it like it had been recorded on vhs tape and I cropped those out and I wasn't happy with the audio so I dubbed in audio from another performance.

"Hay que inventar un adjetivo para esta hembra o usar su nombre como adjetivo: alizee".
(You have to invent an adjective for this female or use her name as an adjective: alizee)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyw_MoH0HcI

[CleverCowboy]

"Hay que inventar un adjetivo para esta hembra o usar su nombre como adjetivo: alizee".
(You have to invent an adjective for this female or use her name as an adjective: alizee)

This is a great comment! It's what happens when an intellectual gets exposed to Alizee :omg:

[Edsel Di Meo]

Here's a comment on Chistophe Willems singing of Alizée's song 'Idealizer" during the SAGA show in 2014.


Canzone molto cognoscente, Bravo= Very knowledgeable song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUBLxEQB41M&lc=z222hvcj2xaignle5acdp43affma03y31c0zyqbwxsxw03c 010c

WOW!!! I REMEMBER THAT WHEN I LISTENED THE FIRST TIME TO PHYSCHEDELICES ALBUM I LOOKED FOR SOME PERFORMANCES OF IDEALISER AND I WATCHED THAT VIDEO!!! I LOVE IT <333333

this comment was one of my reasons of wanting to know more about Alizée

http://gyazo.com/0c73cc18fb5105d8ee8f04bef514a854?token=d71b878c2de 8e2e34347c93bbd3947f1 i remember the day i read it

Another comment today on this performance in Spain. The video I had of this performance had some stripes at the bottom of it like it had been recorded on vhs tape and I cropped those out and I wasn't happy with the audio so I dubbed in audio from another performance.

"Hay que inventar un adjetivo para esta hembra o usar su nombre como adjetivo: alizee".
(You have to invent an adjective for this female or use her name as an adjective: alizee)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyw_MoH0HcI

wow scruffy i didn't know you knew spanish

[Scruffydog777]

wow scruffy i didn't know you knew spanish

Well I know very little Spanish. I often use Google translate and sometime Bing.

I think the performances are when she looked her best. I had tried years ago along with a member we had from Spain to see if there was a way to get the original good quality videos, but our efforts came up empty.

[Rev]

Pity. She was really shining during this performance. :)

[Scruffydog777]

Pity. She was really shining during this performance. :)

It really was a pity. She was really enjoying the crowd she was in front of and when that happened, as you say, she really shined.

[Scruffydog777]

Not epic but I thought interesting because I just posted this today and I wonder how she came across it, where the comment was in Youtube. I don't think she's a subscriber, but I'll have to check. There's no info on her, but I asked her if she is from France.

"Too beautiful Alizee and Gregory. They will go far it is a couple really. beautiful and dancing too well."

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Edit:

I got a response from her, but it looks like she didn't understand my question but I think it's safe to assume that she's from France.

"Thank you David but I speak only French, but I think it's nice, good evening"

[Scruffydog777]

Another comment on my 'Video History' video by another Russian fan...

"And voice and beauty in one bottle is a rarity of luck"

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[CleverCowboy]

Another comment on my 'Video History' video by another Russian fan...

"And voice and beauty in one bottle is a rarity of luck"


I wish I had the time to translate all the Russian comments that are posted on her videos. It is probably the second most common language used in the posts after English on some of her videos.

Alizee's beauty has international appeal, but I have wondered why she attracts a disproportionate amount of Russian attention compared to similar countries in Eastern Europe?

[CleverCowboy]

I hadn't posted any comments in a while because I hadn't looked lately. I was inspired to look at recent La Isla Bonita comments because of Scruffy's post on the Facebook thread that stated that her video reached 29M views. Still, new viewers falling in love with her daily.:D A few caught my attention:

124Nightwing 1 week ago
God, Alizee is gorgeous. Beautiful face, beautiful body, and it doesn't help that she's an amazing singer and can rock her hips so gracefully.

This is coming from a heterosexual woman, by the way.


Humberto Montalvo 5 days ago
Beautiful in every way possible. This girl blew me away. And I am an old man. WOW!!!!!!!

[Scruffydog777]

Great comments and I wonder if 124Nightwing's preferences might have changed since she discovered Alizée?

[CleverCowboy]

Great comments and I wonder if 124Nightwing's preferences might have changed since she discovered Alizée?

OK Scruffy. This was really funny!!! :))

[CleverCowboy]

These are a few comments on Ella Elle L'a that are quite old, but they floated to the top because of recent replies.


Jozua86 2 years ago
If girls only understood this is 1000x sexier than twerking.


Christian Frias 1 year ago
Meanwhile in America we have Miley Cirus destroying our ears

ant6914 5 months ago
She doesn't need any make-up... cosmetics manufacturing companies need her...

[Scruffydog777]

Jozua86 is right. There is nothing sexy about someone shaking their butt in your face. It's crude. In Ella Ella, the cuteness of Alizee could melt the heart of the strongest man. That is sexy at it's best in a subliminal way.

I think Miley Cirus is a great talent, with a wonderful voice, but I've searched through her songs and found nothing that appeals to me.

As far as make up, I've said many a time before, she has such natural beauty.

[CleverCowboy]

Jozua86 is right. There is nothing sexy about someone shaking their butt in your face. It's crude. In Ella Ella, the cuteness of Alizee could melt the heart of the strongest man. That is sexy at it's best in a subliminal way.

The stark contrast of how Alizee presented herself on stage against what was promoted by female singers in the US was the initial "hook" that drew me to her. Instead of hiding her femininity and displaying a vulgar, trashy performance that appeals to animal instincts, she showed just how beautiful a woman can be and gained my respect immediately.

And just to show I'm just not an old-fashioned fuddy-duddy, my two sons have often complained that it is very hard to find a girl that they are willing to marry because of what behaviors are being currently being promoted in young women these days.

[CleverCowboy]

Some serious Alizee fans below. These were taken from her Alizée - M6 Awards 2000 video.


osiris 3 months ago
I love her so much. I teared on this video. It's hard to breath when someone feels very happy. It makes you cry.. I love Alizée since i was 15 yo. When I saw her first music video of Moi Lolita. Time passes and all her song i have loved. I love her purely And i promised my self to give my first daughter her name Alizée. It's 2018 and I'm still watching this video because I love Alizée until today.


Usa France 3 years ago
There are no words to describe the love I have for this woman.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/zjRncR.jpg

[Shepherd]

VitaminAlizee is a good tag. Every time I see her, I'm injected with a shot of sunshine.



http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2522

[CleverCowboy]

VitaminAlizee is a good tag. Every time I see her, I'm injected with a shot of sunshine.


Ditto.

Sometimes I will run across a picture of her that I can look at all day.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/bClq9Z.jpg

[Scruffydog777]

Ditto.

Sometimes I will run across a picture of her that I can look at all day.



Looks like another RMJ photo. I guess Ronnie was there??? If my memory serves me correctly, I 'think' she had the one long sleeve due to the addition of another tattoo and that area can be a little raw for a few days afterwards.

Edit:

VitaminAlizee is a good tag. Every time I see her, I'm injected with a shot of sunshine.



http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2522

This is one of the offstage photographs from the Blonde era that prompts me to say, she looked great off stage, but not so good on stage.

[Ray4AJ]

not from RMJ

https://www.gettyimages.no/event/alain-chamfort-and-his-muses-paris-match-may-2012-146632354#alain-chamfort-and-his-muses-are-photographed-for-paris-match-on-may-picture-id146544137

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/alain-chamfort-and-his-muses-are-photographed-for-paris-match-on-may-picture-id146544137?

[CleverCowboy]

Thanks for the full photo Ray!

[CleverCowboy]

I agree with these comments that Alizee can certainly cross over into another genre and still have an impact. La Javanaise is a folksy love song, and her life gives her singing love songs more credibility. Last bit of lyrics in English:

Alas, April in vain dedicates me to love
I wanted to see that love in you my love
Whether it pleases you or not
In dancing the Javanaise
We loved each other for the length of a song

Life is not worth living without love
But you’re are the one who wanted it that way my love
Whether it pleases you or not
In dancing the Javanaise
We loved each other for the length of a song

steven roberts 6 days ago
She should do more performances like this, especially now that she is older. There is a beautiful purity to her voice and certainly many great love songs to sing that fall within her range.

Tj Garcia 6 days ago
She is very mesmerizing with an Angelic sweet voice. Very talented, and love how she can cross over to different sounds to capture a broader audience. I don't understand a word. But, it tugs at my heart.Well done Alizee.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP9LYD_Am4A&index=13&list=RDMMHOnF7KFmOck

[Scruffydog777]

Some recent comments by one woman about her Alizée's 4 appearances in Graines de Stars video....

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and their translation....


Darina LAURENTSON2 days ago (edited)

It's often the losers who win everything. The winner is ugly no elegance, no career. And Alizee pretty, beautiful, talented, beautiful voice, a short and wonderful career, great success in French song. Alizée a name, a talent, an unforgettable legend.

Darina LAURENTSON 2 days ago
Having self-confidence is not easy. But she succeeded because she gained confidence in herself. Beauty matters too. Beautiful pretty face voice

Darina LAURENTSON2 days ago

She has to find a song that goes with her tone. Awesome. Not easy to find beautiful songs that suits us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYTFV41x1gw

[Scruffydog777]

Here's a recent one about the autograph session in Ajaccio 2013.

"Esa muchacha es bien sencilla es lindo éso de una persona , qué bueno"

"That girl is very simple is nice that of a person, what good"

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[Fall]

"Esa muchacha es bien sencilla es lindo éso de una persona , qué bueno"

That girl is very down to earth, that's a good thing (to see) in a person, how nice

:)

[CleverCowboy]

I was overdue to visit La Isla Bonita to see what people have been saying. It is one of my favorite videos to look for comments.


DrSnugglez WTF 20 hours ago
for her i would fight satan in a 1v1


Jay Jaehwa Kim 1 day ago
Suddenly, I came up with this thought "Who the hell are her parents?" I wanna see them. It's like curiosity about the creators of the masterpiece.


Poso malakas Eise 4 days ago
GOD MUST HAVE BEEN IN A REALLY HAPPY MOOD WHEN HE CREATED ALIZEE

Peenut Calhoun 6 days ago
yeah I've never felt this this is new and scary

(Looks like another Lili Bug victim)

[Scruffydog777]

I was overdue to visit La Isla Bonita to see what people have been saying. It is one of my favorite videos to look for comments.


DrSnugglez WTF 20 hours ago
for her i would fight satan in a 1v1


Jay Jaehwa Kim 1 day ago
Suddenly, I came up with this thought "Who the hell are her parents?" I wanna see them. It's like curiosity about the creators of the masterpiece.


Poso malakas Eise 4 days ago
GOD MUST HAVE BEEN IN A REALLY HAPPY MOOD WHEN HE CREATED ALIZEE

Peenut Calhoun 6 days ago
yeah I've never felt this this is new and scary

(Looks like another Lili Bug victim)

It just goes to show her beauty and her songs are timeless, plus her dances were unique and beautiful. I'm sure this will go on for many years to come. I'll have to look for some comments later.

[Scruffydog777]

Here's a few comments from my meeting with her at the dance studio.....


"That is so incredible! She seems like a very nice person. Also, it looks like sh'e's picking up some English--- interesting. She's such a fascinating person! Thanks for sharing this"

"Ализе !!! Ну , что сказать ! Ты прекрасная , ты не превзойдённая , ты ЛЮБИМАЯ !!!"
(Alize !!! Well, what to say! You are beautiful, you are not surpassed, you are beloved !!!)

"А л і з е е ти є неперевершина"
(And you are not over)

"She’s still very sweet and beautiful woman end very friendly ��"

"You're a lucky guy Scruffydog!!!"

[CleverCowboy]

I have thought that as well. Then for a while I thought it was a bot because there were like 25 consecutive comments, all different but in the same format.

None are ever derogatory in any way. He just has his own way of expressing his admiration.

Here is another one from 3 weeks ago..

Alizee = You look = Flowed = After = Worlds = Beautiful = Nothing Like = Even = No = I knew = What is = Beauty = A = Voice = Worlds = See = All = Streams = Beautiful = When = I have = Your = Touch = Its = I am = In the Seventh Delights of Dreams

Remember this guy?

I saw he did the same thing on Alizee's FB page on a September 19 photo. I am not going to reveal his name, but he is a guy from Warsaw, Poland.

[Scruffydog777]

This was posted today on her performance of Moi Lolita in the festival de Alacala....

"Daniela Lehečková6 hours ago

�� Krásná Alizee �� je velká Umělkyně ��poslouchám �� ji denně a zbožňuju její, zpěv a její úsměv ��������������"

- Alizée is a great Artist I listen to her daily and I adore her singing and her smile-

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I sent Daniela a message, asking where she if from. I'll post if she responds.

[Scruffydog777]

This was quite the comment made on the video about my visit to the dance studio.
I wonder if it's from a poem or something he wrote himself? It was posted in French.



Always dazzling with adornment,

always powerful of unfulfilled passions,

you do not even suspect that your spring

is far from you,

and here you are brighter than all our new graces,

and your twilight has more fire than their cold dawn.

The spirit of voluptuousness animates it better

than their vegetative existence.

Burning shade, you submit those

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Toujours éblouissante de parure,

toujours puissante de passions inassouvies,

tu ne soupçonnes pas même que ton printemps

est bien loin de toi,

et te voilà plus brillante que toutes nos grâces nouvelles,

et ton crépuscule a plus de feu que leur froide aurore.

L’esprit des voluptés l’anime mieux

que leur existence végétative.

Ombre ardente, tu soumets celles

qui sont à celle qui n’est plus.

[kulli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWU8vI96-AI

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2369&stc=1&d=1543148009

[Mr Coucou]

Here are some I've seen on JEM:


Best video ever made!

THIS IS WHY I PAY MY INTERNET BILL

After watching this video over 100 times, I think I'm starting to like the song.

I want to be that fish!

I'm throwing wedding rings at the screen hoping something happens

I want to join the French foreign legion

France should put this girl on their flag

How do the guitarists keep it together?
---- What guitarists?

Edit:

Does anyone know the sex ratio on this board? I get the impression that it is majority male. (At the very least, the frequent posters seem to be majority male.)

I speculate that perhaps the "average" Alizee fan-- the ones who buy her records-- are evenly split between male and female. But the more extreme fans--- which corresponds to this board--- are majority male.

(In a similar vein, the majority of posters on her youtube videos seem to be male.)

Edit:

Those hair styles are my favorite! I really really love her look in Mes courant electriques era <3!

2003 was the Year of Alizee!! Hands down! J'en ai Marre, J'ai Pas Vingt Ans, Ella Elle la, Vanquishers of the Year, En Concert!!!

[Scruffydog777]

How do the guitarists keep it together?
---- What guitarists?



What guitarists?.................My sentiments exactly!

[stephan]

I like those comments where they say "it's so much better than twerking" and "she is better than the mainstream pop culture". Her elegance is what makes her unique.

[CleverCowboy]

What guitarists?.................My sentiments exactly!

One female commenter was desperate to know the name of the guitarist with the big hair.. She thought he was really hot.

[Scruffydog777]

Sometimes Alizée noticed the guitarists too!


http://drive.google.com/file/d/1bYvIlcV6xiEB0GGisCxvSW4jjXtfFr1k/view?usp=sharing


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[CleverCowboy]

She definitely has eyes for that guy. He is a different guy than one of the "originals".

The one in question that the commenter had the hots for looks a little like a young Sean Penn in my opinion. :)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/OVnO92.jpg

[Edsel Di Meo]

https://i.gyazo.com/72641ef9edad5936bcaa6d0dd959e4b9.png

i just read this comment in the j'en ai marre performance (the one with the most views) and i loved it haha

[Scruffydog777]

https://i.gyazo.com/72641ef9edad5936bcaa6d0dd959e4b9.png

i just read this comment in the j'en ai marre performance (the one with the most views) and i loved it haha

Even Alizee can't save Macron!

[Rev]

Pity. I liked him for the most part.

[CleverCowboy]

This video of JEAM was posted to YT on February 2, 2006. I haven't seen this particular one in many years, but it was my very first Alizee video, which I saw in the summer of 2006. You can tell it's old because it is so grainy (480p) and the title is just "alizee" :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceSxEjwXHcM


It has over 19 million views and about 13K comments, but most of each was during the early days since much better quality videos have come out, but there are a few fairly recent comments that are entertaining.

Troy Baker 3 weeks ago
Going through my liked videos and found this gem, I was like wtf why would I like this vid? Then I watch it and understand and shed a tear because now I know why I liked this vid so many years ago...


Darlaimerner 1 month ago
I'm just waiting for her to do the THING. The thing that the night elves do. That thing. The particular thing-- AT THE TIME OF WRITING, SHE IS DOING THE THING.

[Scruffydog777]

I'm sure you all know how much I pushed last year to have Alizee and Gregoire appear in Les Enfoires this year. So this comment was posted yesterday about one of my videos pointed in that directions from somebody apparently from France? The video I posted showed a professional dancer who appeared in Les Enfoires in a previous year and if she could appear in LE, so could Gregoire.

"Frankly it would be really top that Alizée is back in the troupe this year in Bordeaux."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CXsEVoKvN8&lc=z22hgbbhuliqdh1iw04t1aokglb4exkn3m5rntgi3ltsbk0 h00410

[Shepherd]

[QUOTE=CleverCowboy;263761]This video of JEAM was posted to YT on February 2, 2006. I haven't seen this particular one in many years, but it was my very first Alizee video, which I saw in the summer of 2006. You can tell it's old because it is so grainy (480p) and the title is just "alizee" :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceSxEjwXHcM


Wow! This was also my first video of Alizee. It annoyed me that I had lost track of it. Thanks for finding it.

[CleverCowboy]

Wow! This was also my first video of Alizee. It annoyed me that I had lost track of it. Thanks for finding it.

It brought back a lot of memories stumbling across the original.

I have a high quality video of this performance I loaded on my Google drive if you want to download it...


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SzVADFnp1PNaDBYFVXgr9EPxYNwHosZh

[Scruffydog777]

A comment posted today in response to the video I posted last year, trying to encourage Gregoire to appear in this year's Les Enfoires.

"Franchement ça serait vraiment top qu'Alizée soit de retour dans la troupe cette année à Bordeaux."

"Frankly it would be really top that Alizée is back in the troupe this year in Bordeaux."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CXsEVoKvN8&lc=z22hgbbhuliqdh1iw04t1aokglb4exkn3m5rntgi3ltsbk0 h00410&feature=em-comments

[Ajaccio]

After watching this video over 100 times, I think I'm starting to like the song.


Lmao this one is good

[CleverCowboy]

Lmao this one is good

I agree! :)

[Scruffydog777]

I'm sorry if anyone hasn't had the good quality one of this video. I've had it for years. I've always considered this video the Crème de la crème, if you wanted to show someone who hadn't seen her before, a video that showed her beauty, her dancing and her sexiness. It doesn't get better than this.
But if you want to show someone for the first time a video of one of her performances who might be bothered if it's too sexy, her performance in Spain (Festival de Alcalá de los Gazules) was the ultimate, except that there isn't a video of that with good resolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s37GQ4LTCw

So in that case what I show them is her perfomance in Pistoia, during Festivalbar 2003. It's a beautiful setting, beautiful music, singer and dancing. Though it didn't have the sexiness of the 'Pour Laurette' performance, it was still a very sexy performance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZSTBRZ9K9E

It's kind of interesting about two people who were also in the 'Pour Laurette' show. One was Mimi who Alizée has worked with closely during the Les Enfoires shows.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myPwxcGGcpA&t=66s

Then I believe this other woman is Marie-Claude Pietragalla, who is a professional dancer and was one of the judges on Dancing with the Stars, who also has Corsican routes. Even if it's not her, that moment on DALS was just one in so many that just added to the many reasons we had already as to why we love this woman. Everyone one thought when Alizee was asked 'which judge do you fear the most', she would choose Chris Margues, because he is the toughest to please, but her answer was classic Alizée!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3tf8MiuffI

You can also see two of the other competitors, who can't but help admire the beauty of the moment......

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It's also interesting to see the looks on thier faces. I think awed by Alizée's beauty, her sexiness, her dancing, her everything, just as those in the audience appeared to be.

[CleverCowboy]

So in that case what I show them is her perfomance in Pistoia, during Festivalbar 2003. It's a beautiful setting, beautiful music, singer and dancing. Though it didn't have the sexiness of the 'Pour Laurette' performance, it was still a very sexy performance

It's kind of interesting about two people who were also in the 'Pour Laurette' show. One was Mimi who Alizée has worked with closely during the Les Enfoires shows.

Then I believe this other woman is Marie-Claude Pietragalla, who is a professional dancer and was one of the judges on Dancing with the Stars, who also has Corsican routes. Even if it's not her, that moment on DALS was just one in so many that just added to the many reasons we had already as to why we love this woman. Everyone one thought when Alizee was asked 'which judge do you fear the most', she would choose Chris Margues, because he is the toughest to please, but her answer was classic Alizée!


I have always liked Alizee performing in her sweatpants, whether it be here or La Isla Bonita or Elle Ella L'a. It almost doesn't make sense because I love her legs, but she can certainly make a pair of sweatpants look great.

What is Mimi's last name? I have been curious about this woman - she seems to be very popular in France. I would be interested in her background.

[Scruffydog777]

Mimie Mathy I beleive it is. I just read some of the stars who wont be in this month's Les Enfoires. I beleive Mimi is one, Pascal Obispo, Patrick Fiori, Nolwenn Leroy, Shy'm, Jean Baptist Maunier, Gregoire. It wont be the same for me but maybe their replacements can make up for the loss.

[Rev]

Only Lorie is left. :(

[CleverCowboy]

On the LE official site, it does not list the cast yet that I can see.

I am so used to the "core" team being there year after year. I don't think I have seen one without Fiori. I have a few years of LE without Alizee, and it is not the same without her no matter who else is on.

[Scruffydog777]

In fact on the official site, I don't think there is mention of the show that will happen in a couple of weeks, but here is a site where you can find news about the show....

http://www.linternaute.com/television/programme/1329881-les-enfoires-2019-quelles-sont-les-dates-de-concert/

[CleverCowboy]

Great find! Thanks.

It looks like Natasha St-Pier is out as well, whom I like. Garou out (wow). Patrick Bruel is questionable. No word on Jenifer.

It makes me wonder if there are some changes going on internally that are causing the long time participants to drop out? Maybe Alizee knows something and was the reason she gave you a quick "No" when you asked her if she was going to be in it.

[Ajaccio]

I don't really know exactly what it says but google translate carries the message very well:

Raz sa ma opýtaš, že či ľúbim teba viac ako svoj život a ja odpoviem, že život a ty oddídeš bez toho,aby si vedela, že ty si môj život a všetko najlepšie a najkrajšie v ňom

You ask me once that I love you more than my life and I will say that life and you break away without knowing that you are my life and all the best and most beautiful in it

[Shepherd]

It brought back a lot of memories stumbling across the original.

I have a high quality video of this performance I loaded on my Google drive if you want to download it...


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SzVADFnp1PNaDBYFVXgr9EPxYNwHosZh


Thanks for the download.

[Mr Coucou]

"Can't understand a word. Doesn't matter--- I'd pay to watch her read the phone book!"

[CleverCowboy]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/924/NSqqbF.jpg


Andrew Hall 4 days ago
I like that someone thought “okay for this song we need 7 chairs..”

[Scruffydog777]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/924/NSqqbF.jpg


Andrew Hall 4 days ago
I like that someone thought “okay for this song we need 7 chairs..”

I couldn't help but think the chairs, well especially with the guitarists with one leg up on them gave the video a Spanish look to it, but I wasn't sure why. I thought to do a search for 'Spaniard serenading Senorita' and this was one of the images I came up with.

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[Bamagirl]

I couldn't help but think the chairs, well especially with the guitarists with one leg up on them gave the video a Spanish look to it, but I wasn't sure why. I thought to do a search for 'Spaniard serenading Senorita' and this was one of the images I came up with.

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That's a great one, Scruffy!

[Mr Coucou]

"I've watched her performances way too many times for it to be healthy. Help!!"

[CleverCowboy]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/923/bW8e5G.jpg
Alizee - J'en Ai Marre (Tubes D'un Jour) HD


Edward Imhoff 5 days ago

Strongest case for Human Cloning I ever saw. Every man should have the opportunity enjoy the life long company of such an one as her.What I like most is her presentation. Realize how little skin she shows. Every little move is perfection. Every move of every inch of her. Add to that the soft and subtle tones of her voice and she Transcends time. She could be singing in the Rattskellar in the 1930s or the Broom St Pub in 1852. or in my den this very night. Young women who think g-string twerking is sexy need to take a lesson in sensual movement from Alizee. A Solitary old man is free to dream whatever he wants to. I dream that someone like her...(Just Exactly like her.) might have been my Girlfriend in the 1970s, in those lonely years while in the Army. I could write a fiction Novel about how we walked through life hand in hand, the things she might have said and secrets we could have shared...Now she sings for me (Twice) just before I start to dream late at night, every night. I've been alone for many years and I'll be alone til journy's end...Really, What does it hurt? This Video is not who she is now. I'm no longer a 20 year old Soldier. I'm an old man, who dares to dream as though I were young as I was long ago. Good Night Alizee. I'll see you in my dreams. I'll bring the Tea. You, the Pastries. It will be a good dream. Until then Love...Until then.

[Scruffydog777]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/923/bW8e5G.jpg
Alizee - J'en Ai Marre (Tubes D'un Jour) HD


Edward Imhoff 5 days ago

Strongest case for Human Cloning I ever saw. Every man should have the opportunity enjoy the life long company of such an one as her.What I like most is her presentation. Realize how little skin she shows. Every little move is perfection. Every move of every inch of her. Add to that the soft and subtle tones of her voice and she Transcends time. She could be singing in the Rattskellar in the 1930s or the Broom St Pub in 1852. or in my den this very night. Young women who think g-string twerking is sexy need to take a lesson in sensual movement from Alizee. A Solitary old man is free to dream whatever he wants to. I dream that someone like her...(Just Exactly like her.) might have been my Girlfriend in the 1970s, in those lonely years while in the Army. I could write a fiction Novel about how we walked through life hand in hand, the things she might have said and secrets we could have shared...Now she sings for me (Twice) just before I start to dream late at night, every night. I've been alone for many years and I'll be alone til journy's end...Really, What does it hurt? This Video is not who she is now. I'm no longer a 20 year old Soldier. I'm an old man, who dares to dream as though I were young as I was long ago. Good Night Alizee. I'll see you in my dreams. I'll bring the Tea. You, the Pastries. It will be a good dream. Until then Love...Until then.

I saw this guy was in the army in the 70s as I was so I sent him a message, inviting him to visit our forum.

[CleverCowboy]

I saw this guy was in the army in the 70s as I was so I sent him a message, inviting him to visit our forum.

It is the best comment I have found so far on any of Alizee's videos. I hope he drops in. He would make a good member.

[Fall]

Strongest case for Human Cloning I ever saw. Every man should have the opportunity enjoy the life long company of such an one as her.What I like most is her presentation. Realize how little skin she shows. Every little move is perfection. Every move of every inch of her. Add to that the soft and subtle tones of her voice and she Transcends time. She could be singing in the Rattskellar in the 1930s or the Broom St Pub in 1852. or in my den this very night. Young women who think g-string twerking is sexy need to take a lesson in sensual movement from Alizee. A Solitary old man is free to dream whatever he wants to. I dream that someone like her...(Just Exactly like her.) might have been my Girlfriend in the 1970s, in those lonely years while in the Army. I could write a fiction Novel about how we walked through life hand in hand, the things she might have said and secrets we could have shared...Now she sings for me (Twice) just before I start to dream late at night, every night. I've been alone for many years and I'll be alone til journy's end...Really, What does it hurt? This Video is not who she is now. I'm no longer a 20 year old Soldier. I'm an old man, who dares to dream as though I were young as I was long ago. Good Night Alizee. I'll see you in my dreams. I'll bring the Tea. You, the Pastries. It will be a good dream. Until then Love...Until then.

I saw this guy was in the army in the 70s as I was so I sent him a message, inviting him to visit our forum.

It is the best comment I have found so far on any of Alizee's videos. I hope he drops in. He would make a good member.

I guess I'm alone in having a strong negative reaction to the notion that every ol' Joe deserves a go at being with Alizée for a lifetime, as if she's an experience - a thing to be had and enjoyed. That she would ideally be available for male consumption. I'm pretty sure I have expressed just about the same idea (and others) here on this forum on at least one occasion. But I would like to think that I've grown and matured in the 10 years since I discovered her. More and more I find myself having similar reactions to comments and behavior from other fans in the community. I have been a page manager for AAm's Facebook page for the past five years and have read countless messages from people who believe that Alizée manages said page and reads their messages. They often wax poetic about their "sincere love" for her and I can't help but recall a forum post from Roman, I believe. For those that may not know, Roman is the fan who got the large tattoo of Alizée with butterfly wings on his back and had the opportunity to show it to her at an autograph signing in Paris. In the post, Roman talked about how many fans in the community strongly believe that they are in love with her, but in fact suffer from limerence.

"The state of being infatuated or obsessed with another person, typically experienced involuntarily and characterized by a strong desire for reciprocation of one's feelings but not primarily for a sexual relationship."

I couldn't agree more with the prognosis. The longer I've been around and the older I get, the more the community seems to be full of these guys who have spent lonely years waiting for the perfect specimen they believe her to be, with no self reflection as to why they spent so much time alone and if it has anything to do with how they view women. As if she was the cure and salvation for the world's g-string twerking epidemic. :rolleyes: I realize that the clone concept is fantasy. But a clone of Alizée would be their own person, and not a slave or thing to own for entertainment or company. Their being a clone wouldn't mean that they would do or act as you want.

I asked a female family member for her opinion on the YouTube comment and she repeated a question she'd asked me before and agreed about the clone. "Does Alizée in particular attract these delusional men who are obsessed and act like they are in a relationship with her? Because I haven't heard of it in relation to other artists. It is kind of culty. Who is to say that the clone or even Alizée herself would want to spend time with them? Because clearly no one else does. This is an objectification issue."

Tying into that, I also recall a comment by Ray, that we lose most of our newer, younger members to girlfriends. Makes you wonder why that is :13:

I think I will ask Merci Alizée to remove me from the manager role on the Facebook page. I feel like I've seen enough. I will continue participating in the forum, because as I've said it is a place where I have done a lot of growing up. That being said, I may have just rustled a few feathers with this post. The comments were not directed at any current AAm member, but rather a critique of the less savory side of the community. (and my younger self)

:cool:

[Shepherd]

"I've watched her performances way too many times for it to be healthy. Help!!"

You are pleading for help from those who are also caught in the trap. If I had a solution, I would have used it long ago.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jC9Insyzgc&index=109&t=0s&list=PLU2XAPhddPwXthnT2PcXR1Hvfua1Z5yb3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R9c5fFVtBI


http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=221&pictureid=2319

[RedRafe]

I think I will ask Merci Alizée to remove me from the manager role on the Facebook page. I feel like I've seen enough. I will continue participating in the forum, because as I've said it is a place where I have done a lot of growing up. That being said, I may have just rustled a few feathers with this post. The comments were not directed at any current AAm member, but rather a critique of the less savory side of the community. (and my younger self)

:cool:

Ok, please DON'T do this. :sstruck: :noway:

I personally value you, and your input immensely. ;)

To me, you represent "balance" and "sanity", in a place where sometimes "objectivity" does not exist.

If I have ever offended you, then you please tell me, for, it was never my intention. :bow:

I personally would like you to remain in your current role, for, "we", "I", need your "clarity", "objectivity" and your "insights'... :)

[Scruffydog777]

I see no reason for Fall to leave. I can understand his frustration with the FB page. You try and tell these people that it's just a fan page and they are not dealing directly with Alizee and it's like talking to a brick wall. No matter what you tell them, they don't get it. I seldom check the messages because of that, which is a shame because you miss messages from members who do understand, but it is what it is.

[CleverCowboy]

I guess I'm alone in having a strong negative reaction to the notion that every ol' Joe deserves a go at being with Alizée for a lifetime, as if she's an experience - a thing to be had and enjoyed. That she would ideally be available for male consumption. I'm pretty sure I have expressed just about the same idea (and others) here on this forum on at least one occasion. But I would like to think that I've grown and matured in the 10 years since I discovered her. More and more I find myself having similar reactions to comments and behavior from other fans in the community. I have been a page manager for AAm's Facebook page for the past five years and have read countless messages from people who believe that Alizée manages said page and reads their messages. They often wax poetic about their "sincere love" for her and I can't help but recall a forum post from Roman, I believe. For those that may not know, Roman is the fan who got the large tattoo of Alizée with butterfly wings on his back and had the opportunity to show it to her at an autograph signing in Paris. In the post, Roman talked about how many fans in the community strongly believe that they are in love with her, but in fact suffer from limerence.


Fall, I get what you are saying, but his comment about cloning and having an "Alizee for every man" was not the target of my response. It's what he said after that part.. he was brutally honest about his loneliness in his advanced age and how Alizee, somehow, fills something that was missed in his life. As one progresses through middle age and into their senior years, the more reflective one gets. I not only see it in my own life, but especially when I visit my elderly mother, who is too old to have many new experiences and mainly has to draw upon memories for topics of conversation. The commenter really spilled out his reflections on his life and how a woman of Alizee's caliber would have made the perfect match for him. He even admits it is just fiction and is just a dream, but dreaming doesn't stop at a certain age. Despite being just a poetic fantasy, he was bold putting it out there on the Internet.

Being that this comment was on JEAM made it more surprising. I normally don't like to look at JEAM comments because it draws a different audience and comments are often lewd. Even the positive comments on her other videos focus much of the time on her beauty. He not once mentions her beauty, but rather her voice and her movements. He has unreciprocated "love" for Alizee, or at least her persona, but is that so unusual? If everybody waited to be loved before they reciprocate, the world would be a much colder place because somebody would have to take that first leap, and it would be forever stalemated.

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I asked a female family member for her opinion on the YouTube comment and she repeated a question she'd asked me before and agreed about the clone.
Quote:
"Does Alizée in particular attract these delusional men who are obsessed and act like they are in a relationship with her? Because I haven't heard of it in relation to other artists. It is kind of culty. Who is to say that the clone or even Alizée herself would want to spend time with them? Because clearly no one else does. This is an objectification issue."


I think her response was rough. The guy might be disabled, have medical problems, or some other issue that prevented him from finding somebody to spend his life with or be out and about being social. Yes, he might be unattractive as well. He sees something he really likes in Alizee and dreams a little, so he is labeled as delusional. She also uses the word "men", implying that the many who follow Alizee closely cannot find anybody else. I can attest that a guy can live a normal life with a significant other and still be a close fan of Alizee, because that person is myself. So, she is taking a swipe at me as well with it.

Edit Edit:

Have you ever wonder why romance novels are so popular with women? Might they be finding something in them that is lacking in their real-life relationships, like Casanova? ;) Maybe they "fall in love" with the main character, who in this case is purely fictional? Are we going to call these millions of women delusional?

Alizee might be the male replacement for the romance novel. :13:

[Bamagirl]

I think I'd like to jump into this conversation!

One of the first things that strikes me in this conversation is the very fact of Alizée's role as a celebrity and her public persona. For as long as people have existed, they have idealized real public figures as well as fictional figures—both male and female: ancient gods and goddesses; kings; god-kings; pharaohs; queens and princesses; warriors and religious leaders; heroes and heroines (Hercules and modern, cartoonish "super-heroes") and so on. In our current world in Western society, we tend to be focused on primarily performers and royalty, with a dash of those fantasy "super heroes." That's just the way it is. And of these performers, we seem to particularly admire singers. And of these singers, we seem to hold "pop" singers in the highest esteem.

So, in my opinion it is completely natural that a performer/singer such as Alizée would develop a devoted following—both male and female, by the way. There will be those with unrealistic fantasies, of course, who believe that they know her and understand her and could potentially have a real-life relationship with her. But that is SO common it is almost natural. We all do that with public people, to some extent. Who can honestly say that they don't feel they have some kind of real understanding of the personality of a famous actor that they have seen in many roles, or an author whose words they have read?

This is something that is inherently human: the desire to connect with other people. And public figures create a circumstance in which that connection seems to be so easily made, without the disappointments of "real life." I can read the works of an author and honestly feel like I could be a good friend of his or hers, because I feel like I understand that person. But, of course, it is one-sided. They know nothing of me. Yet if I had the chance, I would still love to meet and spend time with my favorite authors and poets—though they might not have any interest in me, whatsoever.
Yet we long for that perfect harmony of camaraderie with someone we admire.

When you have a public figure like Alizée, it is even easier. She is not controversial—her role is not to preach or politicize or rally or convince. She doesn't do deeds of which we are asked to approve. She doesn't make decisions affecting our lives which we have to accept. And she has shown enough of herself to the world through interviews, photos, performances and the way she has conducted herself in her life that we see real and true aspects of her personality and character. These are not imaginary—you really can learn something of her. Not everything, of course, but enough to have a valid sense of the kind of person she is. Someone once said that the more you know of someone's story, the easier it is to love them. This is very true.

Add to this the fact that she is unarguably very attractive (which, let's face it, makes a HUGE difference in how people feel about other people) and she has talent and has had success. People are naturally drawn to successful people.

So, all that being the case, and for all these other reasons, it is inevitable that Alizée would have many fans, or followers, or admirers, or whatever you want to call them.

I can understand how frustrating it is to see all the silliness on some of FB page posts with people saying "I love you" or doing the virtual world version of throwing themselves at her, screaming. There is only a technical difference between this and the hysterical girls who fainted at Beatles' Concerts! But the fact that these people exist does not take away from the reality that there are other people who seriously admire Alizée because of what they know about her—what she has allowed to be known—as well as for her art and what it means to them, personally. Here we could get into a definition of "art" and the effect it has on the individual human psyche, but I'll save that for another day!

There is nothing bizarre or unnatural about people feeling a strong connection to Alizée—especially those who have followed her career for years and who know something of her "story." And I would venture to say that she, herself, appreciates and values this. If she did not, she would not continue to allow herself to remain a public figure and share aspects of her life with the public. She had done a very good job, I think, of protecting the parts of her life that she wishes to remain private. But she continues to encourage her fans to know the parts she is willing to share with them. Very healthy and very normal and very human.
If by paying attention to her and learning about her helps others to understand themselves—and perhaps helps them in their own lives with relationships and expectations of relationships—that is all for the good. I realize that some people will be unrealistic and expect that they will find someone who fits their perfect ideal and will never disappoint them—that is sad, but it can't be helped. Those people have always existed. Think "Pygmalion."

I hope none of the members of this forum let this aspect of human nature discourage them from their own way of enjoying their admiration of Alizée. I agree with CleverCowboy that "…a guy can live a normal life with a significant other and still be a close fan of Alizee…" and also his assessment about the comment from the woman who said "Does Alizée in particular attract these delusional men who are obsessed and act like they are in a relationship with her? Because I haven't heard of it in relation to other artists… This is an objectification issue." This suggestion of "objectification" is extremely annoying to me, as a woman, and insulting to Alizée, by the way. Nowadays it has become popular for some activist women to complain about pretty much everything about being women. As they do this, they are insulting other women who have the right to live as they choose. For example, beauty pageants are called "sexist" and "exploitive" –never mind that the contestants enjoy and value them and work hard in their participation. The arrogance of this attitude is breathtaking. And I can't believe this woman has never heard of other artists being swooned over. Her use of words like "delusional" and "obsessed" are inappropriate. As CC points out, how do we know their story? Who is she to judge? I hope her words do not make other members of this forum doubt themselves.

My last comment is for Fall. You obviously have spent a lot of time growing and learning, and your admiration for Alizée is, in my opinion, natural and healthy and normal. I hope you won't get soured by the people on FB who come and go and are unrealistic and/or silly. Our world has opened up a great deal with the Internet, and this last generation has had to get accustomed to a level of broad experience of others that we were pretty much oblivious to in the past. We are now inundated with comments and opinions from a huge array of people, and we must adapt to this and learn to filter it so that we get a realistic picture of what is out there—good and bad and weird and everything in between. It is important to not get discouraged and judge this herd of people by the same standards we used when our own world of experience was more limited.

Until and unless Alizée herself pulls a Garbo and puts a message out there saying "Enough! Stop talking about me! Leave me alone!" I feel like it is entirely appropriate and fun and acceptable and all things positive to remain fans on whatever level each person finds important.

[CleverCowboy]

I think I'd like to jump into this conversation!


I'm glad you did! :)

I have no words. This is an "Epic" post. ;)

[Fall]

Ok, please DON'T do this. :sstruck: :noway:

I personally value you, and your input immensely. ;)

To me, you represent "balance" and "sanity", in a place where sometimes "objectivity" does not exist.

If I have ever offended you, then you please tell me, for, it was never my intention. :bow:

I personally would like you to remain in your current role, for, "we", "I", need your "clarity", "objectivity" and your "insights'... :)
I appreciate your opinion of me Rafe, and you have not offended me. Actually, I wanted to ask if you know about the Scottish band CHVRCHES. They are right up there with Alizée for me as favorite musical acts. I got to see them twice, at an autograph signing and at a concert. :)

I see no reason for Fall to leave. I can understand his frustration with the FB page. You try and tell these people that it's just a fan page and they are not dealing directly with Alizee and it's like talking to a brick wall. No matter what you tell them, they don't get it. I seldom check the messages because of that, which is a shame because you miss messages from members who do understand, but it is what it is.
Thanks Scruffy, you described it perfectly. I will post some screenshot examples later to give everyone an idea of what we're talking about. I will edit out names and pictures for their privacy.

Fall, I get what you are saying, but his comment about cloning and having an "Alizee for every man" was not the target of my response. It's what he said after that part.. he was brutally honest about his loneliness in his advanced age and how Alizee, somehow, fills something that was missed in his life. As one progresses through middle age and into their senior years, the more reflective one gets. I not only see it in my own life, but especially when I visit my elderly mother, who is too old to have many new experiences and mainly has to draw upon memories for topics of conversation. The commenter really spilled out his reflections on his life and how a woman of Alizee's caliber would have made the perfect match for him. He even admits it is just fiction and is just a dream, but dreaming doesn't stop at a certain age. Despite being just a poetic fantasy, he was bold putting it out there on the Internet.

Being that this comment was on JEAM made it more surprising. I normally don't like to look at JEAM comments because it draws a different audience and comments are often lewd. Even the positive comments on her other videos focus much of the time on her beauty. He not once mentions her beauty, but rather her voice and her movements. He has unreciprocated "love" for Alizee, or at least her persona, but is that so unusual? If everybody waited to be loved before they reciprocate, the world would be a much colder place because somebody would have to take that first leap, and it would be forever stalemated.

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I think her response was rough. The guy might be disabled, have medical problems, or some other issue that prevented him from finding somebody to spend his life with or be out and about being social. Yes, he might be unattractive as well. He sees something he really likes in Alizee and dreams a little, so he is labeled as delusional. She also uses the word "men", implying that the many who follow Alizee closely cannot find anybody else. I can attest that a guy can live a normal life with a significant other and still be a close fan of Alizee, because that person is myself. So, she is taking a swipe at me as well with it.

Edit Edit:

Have you ever wonder why romance novels are so popular with women? Might they be finding something in them that is lacking in their real-life relationships, like Casanova? ;) Maybe they "fall in love" with the main character, who in this case is purely fictional? Are we going to call these millions of women delusional?

Alizee might be the male replacement for the romance novel. :13:
There's a huge difference between fantasizing about a romance novel character and wishing every man (his words) had a lifelong Alizée clone companion. She is a real person with her own thoughts, ideas, and goals. A young woman might dream of being with a Twilight character, but it is necessarily fiction. The point of my post was to highlight the YouTube commenter's thinking that it's appropriate to see her as a commodity; in addition, the dozens of fans on Facebook who obstinately try to shove their infatuation to the forefront and into her attention.

I think I'd like to jump into this conversation!

One of the first things that strikes me in this conversation is the very fact of Alizée's role as a celebrity and her public persona. For as long as people have existed, they have idealized real public figures as well as fictional figures—both male and female: ancient gods and goddesses; kings; god-kings; pharaohs; queens and princesses; warriors and religious leaders; heroes and heroines (Hercules and modern, cartoonish "super-heroes") and so on. In our current world in Western society, we tend to be focused on primarily performers and royalty, with a dash of those fantasy "super heroes." That's just the way it is. And of these performers, we seem to particularly admire singers. And of these singers, we seem to hold "pop" singers in the highest esteem.

So, in my opinion it is completely natural that a performer/singer such as Alizée would develop a devoted following—both male and female, by the way. There will be those with unrealistic fantasies, of course, who believe that they know her and understand her and could potentially have a real-life relationship with her. But that is SO common it is almost natural. We all do that with public people, to some extent. Who can honestly say that they don't feel they have some kind of real understanding of the personality of a famous actor that they have seen in many roles, or an author whose words they have read?

This is something that is inherently human: the desire to connect with other people. And public figures create a circumstance in which that connection seems to be so easily made, without the disappointments of "real life." I can read the works of an author and honestly feel like I could be a good friend of his or hers, because I feel like I understand that person. But, of course, it is one-sided. They know nothing of me. Yet if I had the chance, I would still love to meet and spend time with my favorite authors and poets—though they might not have any interest in me, whatsoever.
Yet we long for that perfect harmony of camaraderie with someone we admire.

When you have a public figure like Alizée, it is even easier. She is not controversial—her role is not to preach or politicize or rally or convince. She doesn't do deeds of which we are asked to approve. She doesn't make decisions affecting our lives which we have to accept. And she has shown enough of herself to the world through interviews, photos, performances and the way she has conducted herself in her life that we see real and true aspects of her personality and character. These are not imaginary—you really can learn something of her. Not everything, of course, but enough to have a valid sense of the kind of person she is. Someone once said that the more you know of someone's story, the easier it is to love them. This is very true.

to this the fact that she is unarguably very attractive (which, let's face it, makes a HUGE difference in how people feel about other people) and she has talent and has had success. People are naturally drawn to successful people.

So, all that being the case, and for all these other reasons, it is inevitable that Alizée would have many fans, or followers, or admirers, or whatever you want to call them.

I can understand how frustrating it is to see all the silliness on some of FB page posts with people saying "I love you" or doing the virtual world version of throwing themselves at her, screaming. There is only a technical difference between this and the hysterical girls who fainted at Beatles' Concerts! But the fact that these people exist does not take away from the reality that there are other people who seriously admire Alizée because of what they know about her—what she has allowed to be known—as well as for her art and what it means to them, personally. Here we could get into a definition of "art" and the effect it has on the individual human psyche, but I'll save that for another day!

There is nothing bizarre or unnatural about people feeling a strong connection to Alizée—especially those who have followed her career for years and who know something of her "story." And I would venture to say that she, herself, appreciates and values this. If she did not, she would not continue to allow herself to remain a public figure and share aspects of her life with the public. She had done a very good job, I think, of protecting the parts of her life that she wishes to remain private. But she continues to encourage her fans to know the parts she is willing to share with them. Very healthy and very normal and very human.
If by paying attention to her and learning about her helps others to understand themselves—and perhaps helps them in their own lives with relationships and expectations of relationships—that is all for the good. I realize that some people will be unrealistic and expect that they will find someone who fits their perfect ideal and will never disappoint them—that is sad, but it can't be helped. Those people have always existed. Think "Pygmalion."

I hope none of the members of this forum let this aspect of human nature discourage them from their own way of enjoying their admiration of Alizée. I agree with CleverCowboy that "…a guy can live a normal life with a significant other and still be a close fan of Alizee…" and also his assessment about the comment from the woman who said "Does Alizée in particular attract these delusional men who are obsessed and act like they are in a relationship with her? Because I haven't heard of it in relation to other artists… This is an objectification issue." This suggestion of "objectification" is extremely annoying to me, as a woman, and insulting to Alizée, by the way. Nowadays it has become popular for some activist women to complain about pretty much everything about being women. As they do this, they are insulting other women who have the right to live as they choose. For example, beauty pageants are called "sexist" and "exploitive" –never mind that the contestants enjoy and value them and work hard in their participation. The arrogance of this attitude is breathtaking. And I can't believe this woman has never heard of other artists being swooned over. Her use of words like "delusional" and "obsessed" are inappropriate. As CC points out, how do we know their story? Who is she to judge? I hope her words do not make other members of this forum doubt themselves.

My last comment is for Fall. You obviously have spent a lot of time growing and learning, and your admiration for Alizée is, in my opinion, natural and healthy and normal. I hope you won't get soured by the people on FB who come and go and are unrealistic and/or silly. Our world has opened up a great deal with the Internet, and this last generation has had to get accustomed to a level of broad experience of others that we were pretty much oblivious to in the past. We are now inundated with comments and opinions from a huge array of people, and we must adapt to this and learn to filter it so that we get a realistic picture of what is out there—good and bad and weird and everything in between. It is important to not get discouraged and judge this herd of people by the same standards we used when our own world of experience was more limited.

Until and unless Alizée herself pulls a Garbo and puts a message out there saying "Enough! Stop talking about me! Leave me alone!" I feel like it is entirely appropriate and fun and acceptable and all things positive to remain fans on whatever level each person finds important.

The first part of your post is mainly about how people like celebrities, who are public figures, which I haven't argued against. Thank you for your words of encouragement :) I can understand your frustration with people striving to find a fault where there may be none. But I'm glad that you brought up insulting women and their right to live as they choose. If I may use your own words, were you also extremely annoyed at the part of his comment where he said that "young women who think g-string twerking should take a lesson in sensual movement from Alizée?" Whatever one's opinion on twerking, it is a kind of dancing that takes some skill and practice. Surely it can be considered a leisure activity that young women enjoy and work on - but should this be invalidated because this guy doesn't like it or find it sensual?

As for her choice of words, they refer not only to this particular comment but other examples of lewd and distasteful messages sent to our small Facebook page - a minor one compared to other fan pages. It's something I've discussed with her (and shown her) on a few occasions. Who knows what kind of messages and comments she receives on a daily basis on her official pages (which are marked as such and thus have more followers) As I mentioned earlier, I will post a few screenshots (or maybe just text) of some conversations I've had with some of these guys. Perhaps that will give everyone a greater insight to what I'm trying to say here.

[CleverCowboy]

There's a huge difference between fantasizing about a romance novel character and wishing every man (his words) had a lifelong Alizée clone companion. She is a real person with her own thoughts, ideas, and goals. A young woman might dream of being with a Twilight character, but it is necessarily fiction. The point of my post was to highlight the YouTube commenter's thinking that it's appropriate to see her as a commodity; in addition, the dozens of fans on Facebook who obstinately try to shove their infatuation to the forefront and into her attention.


Your response was based on his first two sentences (clones and such). My response was based on everything after, which I though was a brilliant display of word pictures and imagery. I myself have never or will ever think of Alizee as a commodity, and my take on his comment was something along the lines of a "romance novel" for men as mentioned before.

Edit:

Who knows what kind of messages and comments she receives on a daily basis on her official pages (which are marked as such and thus have more followers) As I mentioned earlier, I will post a few screenshots (or maybe just text) of some conversations I've had with some of these guys. Perhaps that will give everyone a greater insight to what I'm trying to say here.

I would really like to see some samples. I have no doubt what you are saying is true.

[Bamagirl]

I can understand your frustration with people striving to find a fault where there may be none. But I'm glad that you brought up insulting women and their right to live as they choose. If I may use your own words, were you also extremely annoyed at the part of his comment where he said that "young women who think g-string twerking should take a lesson in sensual movement from Alizée?" Whatever one's opinion on twerking, it is a kind of dancing that takes some skill and practice. Surely it can be considered a leisure activity that young women enjoy and work on - but should this be invalidated because this guy doesn't like it or find it sensual?

No, his comment about twerking didn’t bother me, because he was comparing it to what, in his opinion, is sensual movement. He is entitled to that opinion. Twerking certainly isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but women who choose to do it absolutely have that right. What I don’t like is when other women set themselves up as morality judges, and proclaim certain freely-engaged-in activities by other women to be things “wrong” or “exploitive.” I realize that in some places and some cases women have been—and are—exploited. But we shouldn’t paint all things with the same brush. Just like all men who admire Alizée—who dream of knowing a woman like the one they imagine her to be—are not “delusional” or “obsessed.”


As for her choice of words, they refer not only to this particular comment but other examples of lewd and distasteful messages sent to our small Facebook page - a minor one compared to other fan pages. It's something I've discussed with her (and shown her) on a few occasions. Who knows what kind of messages and comments she receives on a daily basis on her official pages (which are marked as such and thus have more followers) As I mentioned earlier, I will post a few screenshots (or maybe just text) of some conversations I've had with some of these guys. Perhaps that will give everyone a greater insight to what I'm trying to say here.

I have no doubt that Alizée gets inappropriate messages like the ones you describe. I can agree with your friend if she is referring to these obnoxious people, as opposed to normal fans who enjoy idealizing her, perhaps, but in a harmless and natural way.
Almost all women who are even reasonably attractive know what it is to be ogled by men both in a tolerable way and in a cross-the-line, inappropriate way. I can only imagine how many times magnified that is for celebrities.
There are plenty of creep-os out there. Believe me, as a female I know that for a fact. But don’t let them mar for you the enjoyment and beauty of a pure and honest admiration for someone. Ignore them...brush them aside like the irritating pests they are, and continue doing what you’re doing. That’s my advice!

[Fall]

Here are some examples of the more harmless, roll-your-eyes kind of stuff we get. Nothing bad, but it irks me that these guys have so little netiquette and feel no shame doing this. :poink::lurk::dontknow::rolleyes:


http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/Fall06/Random%20Stuff/2_zpsywxfr2e3.png

Sometimes I like to just mess with them. In this instance, since they sent so many hearts I decided to send some back. I did not send the question mark reply, but I was equally confused by their painting question :confused:

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/Fall06/Random%20Stuff/3_zpsp7oymipc.png~original

In this example, after telling him that we are fans and asking him to join us on AAm, he responds in French with - very good thanks - and in Spanish with - thank u i love u alizee :facepalm: So I tell him that I wasn't sure if he spoke Spanish or not, but I repeat - we aren't Alizée dude, this is a fan page - and I'm amused enough to mess with him and tell him that we love him too :)) :p (and he starts fishing for info about where I'm from)

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/Fall06/Random%20Stuff/1_zps9xid8ptb.png~original

Few of us speak French but you get a sense of what's being said here. :rolleyes:

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/Fall06/Random%20Stuff/4_zpsyhuivdzs.png~original

Sometimes, they realize their mistakes and try to play it cool :facepalm:

- Pretty

- Hello
- Alizee


This is not the official page of Alizée -
We are fans -
She doesn't use this page -

- Yes I know
- I'm also fans of her

You sent a message to our page saying hello Alizee -
That's why I'm saying that she doesn't manage this page -

- Ah yes it was not meant for you
- I made a mistake it was for her
- The message

- Hello guys how have you been fans of Alizee

:facepalm:

[Mr Coucou]

There's a huge difference between fantasizing about a romance novel character and wishing every man (his words) had a lifelong Alizée clone companion. She is a real person with her own thoughts, ideas, and goals. A young woman might dream of being with a Twilight character, but it is necessarily fiction. The point of my post was to highlight the YouTube commenter's thinking that it's appropriate to see her as a commodity; in addition, the dozens of fans on Facebook who obstinately try to shove their infatuation to the forefront and into her attention.

So you hate all these guys who, as you like to put it, are treating Alizee like a commodity.

Do you also hate Mylene?

Because Mylene, by hiring Alizee, was using sex to sell records. Mylene's selection of Alizee wasn't just about sex, but sex was a significant factor. The very first song was "Moi Lolita", after all.

Mylene was, essentially, commoditizing Alizee. That's exactly what Mylene was doing.

Alizee herself was using sex to sell records, and she-- and her parents-- knew it from the very beginning. It wasn't all about sex, but sex was a factor.

When Alizee performed J'en Ai Marre, she knew that it was a very sexy dance. It wasn't all about sex per se, but sex was a significant aspect of the dance. Alizee was using sex to records--- and she knew it.

Alizee was commoditizing herself.


If you hate Alizee being commoditized, you should hate Mylene. And you should hate Alizee herself.

P.S. This is in regard to the army guy, whose comment was relatively mild. See my comment down below.

[CleverCowboy]

Sometimes, they realize their mistakes and try to play it cool :facepalm:

- Pretty

- Hello
- Alizee


This is not the official page of Alizée -
We are fans -
She doesn't use this page -

- Yes I know
- I'm also fans of her

You sent a message to our page saying hello Alizee -
That's why I'm saying that she doesn't manage this page -

- Ah yes it was not meant for you
- I made a mistake it was for her
- The message

- Hello guys how have you been fans of Alizee

:facepalm:

Ohhh. Wow. I see what you mean.

Now I get to do a face palm.

:facepalm:

[Fall]

Then these guys start to get a little more aggressive and creepy. :fear:

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/Fall06/Random%20Stuff/20190304_190703_zpsvu43s81h.jpg

This dude opens with "ring me sugar" in Danish and sent his phone number

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/Fall06/Random%20Stuff/Done%2020190304_185242_zpsjbwkgweo.jpg~original

This other guy sends a joke in Polish which doesn't get a good translation into English with Google. It was something about slapping, and his message was a reply to one of Scruffy's posts where Alizée is hunched over during JPVA. (Is the joke about slapping her then?) So I ask him to translate it and he later gets angry that I don't get it, saying that Slavic people would. Umm, ok? Then he says he prefers French to English anyway. :hmm:

https://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/Fall06/edited-image_zpsiyqooopq.png~original

This guy... just doesn't give up :noway:

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/Fall06/Random%20Stuff/20190304_185455_zpsnu6ry5ub.jpg~original

This guy stopped sending any more messages about love after I told him he's talking to a bunch of guys.

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/Fall06/Random%20Stuff/20190304_185756_zpswzbchd2v.jpg~original

This one is a bit hard to see, so let me know if you would like to see it in parts and zoomed in a little. After all those messages, I finally told this guy that we are just fans like him, and then he expected us to send him a link to her official page. I don't know if I should have, but I redirected him.

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/Fall06/Random%20Stuff/20190304_190515_zpsimcbowem.jpg~original

This guy we had serious problems with. He made multiple accounts and spammed basically his day to day life in messages. He had deleted this account at the time of this screenshot but he used another where he sent us pictures from a grocery store, a video of him in the shower, several shirtless pictures of himself, a picture of his wife next to him in bed, and a shirtless picture of himself with his wedding photo on the wall behind him. Here he's talking about taking his wife's virginity and making her his. As you can see, he also sent some pictures of social media and some audio of him speaking in Portuguese.

More to come later.

[Mr Coucou]

This guy we had serious problems with. He made multiple accounts and spammed basically his day to day life in messages. He had deleted this account at the time of this screenshot but he used another where he sent us pictures from a grocery store, a video of him in the shower, several shirtless pictures of himself, a picture of his wife next to him in bed, and a shirtless picture of himself with his wedding photo on the wall behind him. Here he's talking about taking his wife's virginity and making her his. As you can see, he also sent some pictures of social media and some audio of him speaking in Portuguese.

More to come later.

Fall---

I just want to clarify.

My comment about Mylene and Alizee using sex to sell records was in regards to the army guy who posted about every man deserving an Alizee clone. What he said is rather mild (and actually, I think the guy was very respectful of Alizee.)

I don't think that Alizee (or any woman for that matter) deserves all the bizarre comments that you are posting here. (That said, I don't think that much can be done about it.)

[Shepherd]

Alizee herself was using sex to sell records, and she-- and her parents-- knew it from the very beginning. It wasn't all about sex, but sex was a factor.

When Alizee performed J'en Ai Marre, she knew that it was a very sexy dance. It wasn't all about sex per se, but sex was a significant aspect of the dance. Alizee was using sex to records--- and she knew it.

Alizee was commoditizing herself.


If you hate Alizee being commoditized, you should hate Mylene. And you should hate Alizee herself.




In an interview, Alizee stated that it would be difficult for a female singer to be successful if she didn't have an attractive personality and wasn't physically attractive. It is obvious that Alizee has known from the very beginning of her career when she was 15-years-old that in the entertainment business the performer is the commodity. The music is for sale but so is the entertainer. When an entrepreneur puts a show together, he/she must get some NAME performers to participate. To advertise that your venue will have "a singer" has no punch compared to "Salena Gomez will be on stage." The brand is all important. When entrepreneurs hire an entertainer, they check statistics to see how many fans can that entertainer bring to the venue. The same applies to advertisers. They pay the biggest bucks to famous people to advertise their merchandise--way more than they pay a no-name model. In the capitalist system, everyone is a commodity and each of us can draw a price commiserate with what we can bring to the table.

As for the outrage over someone saying that it would be great if we could clone Alizee so everyone could have a copy, I can only say get a grip on yourself. Cloning Alizee is a fantasy made with a touch of humor. There is no reason why she should be offended by a statement that recognizes her desirability. If anything, I think she would take the statement as a compliment.


http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=221&pictureid=2295

[Fall]

So you hate all these guys who, as you like to put it, are treating Alizee like a commodity.

Do you also hate Mylene?

Because Mylene, by hiring Alizee, was using sex to sell records. Mylene's selection of Alizee wasn't just about sex, but sex was a significant factor. The very first song was "Moi Lolita", after all.

Mylene was, essentially, commoditizing Alizee. That's exactly what Mylene was doing.

Alizee herself was using sex to sell records, and she-- and her parents-- knew it from the very beginning. It wasn't all about sex, but sex was a factor.

When Alizee performed J'en Ai Marre, she knew that it was a very sexy dance. It wasn't all about sex per se, but sex was a significant aspect of the dance. Alizee was using sex to records--- and she knew it.

Alizee was commoditizing herself.


If you hate Alizee being commoditized, you should hate Mylene. And you should hate Alizee herself.

P.S. This is in regard to the army guy, whose comment was relatively mild. See my comment down below.
I've never been a fan of MF. As for whatever career decisions made during the MF years of her career, these are all things that Alizée agreed to do. All of that was done with her approval and consent, so far as we know. But after the second album, she chose to step away from those things and focus on her private life and hasn't really looked back. She hasn't voiced any complaint about her relationship with MF, in fact, she always speaks highly of it. Bamagirl raised the important point of allowing a woman to decide what is best for herself. The YouTube commenter wished for an Alizée clone for every msn as company, a geisha of sorts, bound to each man because all "should" get to see what it's like to have her for life. There doesn't seem to be any room for consent or approval, he simply said "every man should enjoy the life long company." There's quite a lot of debate over what things people should be able to enjoy for life. Some of these things are material and some are everyday necessities. But a significant sector of the populace would raise the question of why "should" these things be enjoyed, for life. Why is it any different when talking about a human being?

Fall---

I just want to clarify.

My comment about Mylene and Alizee using sex to sell records was in regards to the army guy who posted about every man deserving an Alizee clone. What he said is rather mild (and actually, I think the guy was very respectful of Alizee.)

I don't think that Alizee (or any woman for that matter) deserves all the bizarre comments that you are posting here. (That said, I don't think that much can be done about it.)
We can at least raise a bit more awareness and discuss it openly as opposed to chalking it up to creepos will be creepos ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



As for the outrage over someone saying that it would be great if we could clone Alizee so everyone could have a copy, I can only say get a grip on yourself. Cloning Alizee is a fantasy made with a touch of humor. There is no reason why she should be offended by a statement that recognizes her desirability. If anything, I think she would take the statement as a compliment.
As I said above, if you are happy chalking it up to a touch of humor, or worse, considering it a compliment, then I would suggest you get out from underneath that rock. ;)

[Mr Coucou]

The YouTube commenter wished for an Alizée clone for every msn as company, a geisha of sorts, bound to each man because all "should" get to see what it's like to have her for life. There doesn't seem to be any room for consent or approval, he simply said "every man should enjoy the life long company."

Suppose that someone were to print out the youtube comment about every man having an Alizee clone, and showed it to Alizee herself.

How do you think Alizee would react?

I think Alizee would, if anything, take it as a complement. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I think Alizee would take it as a complement.

What do you think?

Do you think Alizee would take it as a complement?

Do you think it would make Alizee angry?

Do you think it would bring Alizee to tears?

Humor me--- what do you think? Suppose someone prints out the comment, and shows it to Alizee. What do you think Alizee's reaction would be?

[CleverCowboy]

Then these guys start to get a little more aggressive and creepy. :fear:

Fall, your point is well taken. Some of those get into the creepy/potential stalker territory.

I did laugh out loud when you finally responded that he was talking to a bunch of guys. :D

I do want to differentiate between those that have some kind of love for Alizee and those that, in actuality, love themselves most of all and feel they "deserve" Alizee. Case in point, the guy who sent his phone number and asks Alizee to call him. If he was serious and if he sat for weeks waiting for his phone to ring with a number from France on Caller ID, then he has a serious problem. The guys who persistently send a message time and time again and never get a response and think by the sheer volume of their communication attempts that Alizee somehow owes them a response, again, a problem.

It seems the vast majority of her male fans are pretty tame and harmless though. The older man who commented that he dreams that he had a girl like Alizee in his youth seems harmless to me, and actually a tribute to her. At least that is the way I see it. There is too much focus on his cloning statement in of itself. I am looking at his comment as a whole.

[Bamagirl]

Fall, your point is well taken. Some of those get into the creepy/potential stalker territory.

I did laugh out loud when you finally responded that he was talking to a bunch of guys. :D

Me too! That was priceless.

It seems the vast majority of her male fans are pretty tame and harmless though. The older man who commented that he dreams that he had a girl like Alizee in his youth seems harmless to me, and actually a tribute to her. At least that is the way I see it. There is too much focus on his cloning statement in of itself. I am looking at his comment as a whole.

I agree. There are definitely stalker-type creep-os out there. Some of the posts Falls shared with us are obviously from those sad, sick, lonely souls--the guy with the virgin wife post is an example. No wonder Fall is pretty fed up with them!

But the good news is that most of these guys that keep sending her love messages seem to me like the online equivalent of the teenage boys who wolf-whistle at a girl they see on the street. Or the truck drivers who honk their horns at girls. Once in awhile these guys go over the line, but for the most part they are just silly and harmless, and most girls just roll their eyes, ignore them and keep walking. The girls aren't offended or impressed. If anything, they are mildly irritated. (And we aren't talking about militant females here, by the way. That's a whole different story.)

As for the cloning statement, I can see the objections if is analyzed too seriously. But, like Shepherd, my take on it was that it was said lightly and with some humor. I, for one, would not take offense if a man said I was so wonderful I should be cloned! But then, I would not take it literally and assume he wanted a real human clone for his own use. So, unless he followed up with real creepiness, I'd consider it an attempt at a compliment. And believe me, women have a strong "spidey-sense" when things go beyond friendly compliments or playful flirtation.

[CleverCowboy]

In an interview, Alizee stated that it would be difficult for a female singer to be successful if she didn't have an attractive personality and wasn't physically attractive. It is obvious that Alizee has known from the very beginning of her career when she was 15-years-old that in the entertainment business the performer is the commodity. The music is for sale but so is the entertainer. When an entrepreneur puts a show together, he/she must get some NAME performers to participate. To advertise that your venue will have "a singer" has no punch compared to "Salena Gomez will be on stage." The brand is all important. When entrepreneurs hire an entertainer, they check statistics to see how many fans can that entertainer bring to the venue. The same applies to advertisers. They pay the biggest bucks to famous people to advertise their merchandise--way more than they pay a no-name model. In the capitalist system, everyone is a commodity and each of us can draw a price commiserate with what we can bring to the table.

I think this is really spot on. Nobody wants to work for free and certainly Mylene packaged Alizee up nicely for mass consumption (and profit). I don't think Mylene had to start from the ground up because Alizee had so many things going for her already. As mentioned in other posts, her personality and charisma was "off the shelf" so she concentrated on her mechanics.

I don't think Mylene ever dreamed Alizee would get as big as what she did. Borrowing a term from economics, Alizee was the "black swan" of the French music scene, an "unpredictable or unforeseen event". I don't think we will see anything like it again in our lifetime.

[Mr Coucou]

I don't think Mylene ever dreamed Alizee would get as big as what she did.

I suspect the same.

BTW, has Mylene ever talked about Alizee in an interview? Has Mylene ever said *anything* about Alizee?

Edit:


Borrowing a term from economics, Alizee was the "black swan" of the French music scene, an "unpredictable or unforeseen event". I don't think we will see anything like it again in our lifetime.

Not if we were to clone her. :)))

[Shepherd]

Ok, you can't have an Alizee clone, but you can have a life-size cutout (In this case bigger than life-size). I imagine this had to be approved by Alizee and that she is getting a cut on its price.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=221&pictureid=2574


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[CleverCowboy]

BTW, has Mylene ever talked about Alizee in an interview? Has Mylene ever said *anything* about Alizee?


I haven't seen an interview where Mylene talked about Alizee, but I cannot say it doesn't exist. From what I have seen on YT, Mylene doesn't do many interviews compared to the length of her career. She is very soft-spoken and you can see her struggle with shyness, even moreso than Alizee. She is a different person on stage for sure.

[Mr Coucou]

I haven't seen an interview where Mylene talked about Alizee, but I cannot say it doesn't exist. From what I have seen on YT, Mylene doesn't do many interviews compared to the length of her career. She is very soft-spoken and you can see her struggle with shyness, even moreso than Alizee. She is a different person on stage for sure.

The wikipedia article for Mylene states that early in her career she struggled with being on stage due to her shyness.

I get the impression that Alizee never struggled with shyness on stage--- that stagecraft always came naturally to Alizee, from the very beginning. I can't say that I know that 100% for a fact, but that is the impression that I get.

***

Its interesting that both Mylene and Alizee are both introverts, and are both shy. But at the same time, they're quite different.

As far as introversion and shyness goes, I think alot of people are like Mylene. Not too many people are like Alizee.

Alizee is... strange. Alizee is like an extreme introvert, but with extraversion that lies just below the surface. I don't know if that makes sense.

Mylene is like a "pure" introvert, whereas Alizee is like an introvert/extravert hybrid. I don't know if that makes sense either.

(I'll have to do more thinking about it.)

[CleverCowboy]

As far as introversion and shyness goes, I think alot of people are like Mylene. Not too many people are like Alizee.

Alizee is... strange. Alizee is like an extreme introvert, but with extraversion that lies just below the surface. I don't know if that makes sense.

Mylene is like a "pure" introvert, whereas Alizee is like an introvert/extravert hybrid. I don't know if that makes sense either.


All I can draw on is from my own experience. I am definitely an introvert, a Mylene-style introvert. I get stage fright, but in a professional setting where I perhaps have a presentation to give in front of an audience, as long as I am well prepared I am fine. If it's some kind of an ad-lib speech, forget about it. I'll take a pass.

Mylene does well on stage probably because of her preparation. She knows exactly what she is going to do for the next two hours, what to sing, what to say, where to walk. She is probably a perfectionist because it helps cope with her shyness.

[Shepherd]

The wikipedia article for Mylene states that early in her career she struggled with being on stage due to her shyness.

I get the impression that Alizee never struggled with shyness on stage--- that stagecraft always came naturally to Alizee, from the very beginning. I can't say that I know that 100% for a fact, but that is the impression that I get.

***

Its interesting that both Mylene and Alizee are both introverts, and are both shy. But at the same time, they're quite different.

As far as introversion and shyness goes, I think alot of people are like Mylene. Not too many people are like Alizee.

Alizee is... strange. Alizee is like an extreme introvert, but with extraversion that lies just below the surface. I don't know if that makes sense.

Mylene is like a "pure" introvert, whereas Alizee is like an introvert/extravert hybrid. I don't know if that makes sense either.

(I'll have to do more thinking about it.)



The reason we know Alizee is shy is that she told us and people who have seen her off stage have stated that she is, but on stage, she never seems to be at a loss. She appears at ease in her interviews and even to enjoy herself. I often wonder if she suffers from stage fright. She doesn't appear to.

In the video I've posted below, Mylene appears uncomfortable, grasping the stool she is sitting on, avoiding eye contact, and speaking in a soft voice. I don't think I've seen her as beautiful before. Perhaps because the camera is able to come in close whereas in her stage performances we see her from a long distance. I've been mystified by her exceptional popularity. She can draw a huge crowd. I'm not interested in her music and although her stage sets are spectacular I'm not impressed. So what is her big draw? In this interview, however, I find her very appealing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlWY75tJpwQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA2dvz7b3XM

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=221&pictureid=2575

[Mr Coucou]

I've been mystified by her exceptional popularity. She can draw a huge crowd. I'm not interested in her music and although her stage sets are spectacular I'm not impressed. So what is her big draw?

My theory: Mylene's big draw is that she doesn't have much competition.

Outside of Mylene, the French music scene is so dead that the government has to force radio stations to play French music; the radio stations are stuck playing old ballads in order to meet their quota.

For French people who want decent music in their language and a good concert experience, Mylene is practically all there is.

(That's the best that I can figure out so far.)

[CleverCowboy]

For French people who want decent music in their language and a good concert experience, Mylene is practically all there is.


Define "decent". Rock music? Google Paris concerts for 2019 and you will see a full slate of music scheduled, French and other. It just depends on what you are into.

Edit:

In this interview, however, I find her very appealing.


Mylene is a very attractive woman in more ways than one.

But some how, some way, I don't trust her.

[Mr Coucou]

Define "decent". Rock music? Google Paris concerts for 2019 and you will see a full slate of music scheduled, French and other. It just depends on what you are into.


"Decent" was a poor choice of words on my part. I think it made it sound like I was endorsing Mylene.

The impression that I have is that there is a scarcity of good French music. The government has to force the radio stations to play French music, and the stations end up playing ballads. (If there was all this great French music, then the radio stations wouldn't be stuck playing ballads.)

I think Mylene succeeds not because she is great, but because the competition is weak.

I don't trust Mylene either. When she's being interviewed, its like she's "playing nice" or something.

[CleverCowboy]

"Decent" was a poor choice of words on my part. I think it made it sound like I was endorsing Mylene.

The impression that I have is that there is a scarcity of good French music. The government has to force the radio stations to play French music, and the stations end up playing ballads. (If there was all this great French music, then the radio stations wouldn't be stuck playing ballads.)

I think Mylene succeeds not because she is great, but because the competition is weak.


I don't think France is alone. In fact, most artists outside of the US/UK sphere face similar obstacles becoming international artists and just remain local artists and not much more. But, as Mylene shows, you can make a very good living with your main target audience being your home country.

[Mr Coucou]

But, as Mylene shows, you can make a very good living with your main target audience being your home country.

I agree. Its just that Mylene seems to dominate the French music scene, and I don't understand it. What is it that is stopping others in France from succeeding like Mylene?

[CleverCowboy]

I agree. Its just that Mylene seems to dominate the French music scene, and I don't understand it. What is it that is stopping others in France from succeeding like Mylene?

There is a young singer named Louanne that is doing very well in France with back to back #1 albums. Can she keep it going? Only time will tell.

Mylene was willing to bare it all in her Libertine music video 30 years ago. Maybe that is what it takes to reach stardom in France.

[Scruffydog777]

There is a young singer named Louanne that is doing very well in France with back to back #1 albums. Can she keep it going? Only time will tell.

Mylene was willing to bare it all in her Libertine music video 30 years ago. Maybe that is what it takes to reach stardom in France.

I really like Louane. Here's a few of her songs I enjoy......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9kvi-W3W7M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XzbuPNTBNU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niyGWxVE-e4

[Bamagirl]

I really like Louane. Here's a few of her songs I enjoy......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9kvi-W3W7M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XzbuPNTBNU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niyGWxVE-e4

Thanks for posting these. I enjoyed them. I especially liked the song in the first one.

[imverynuts]

I had a guy think I was Alizee too in my Instagram account, and sent me dick pics. So yeah... Lol

[Scruffydog777]

Here is a comment from what appears to be a woman from France on the SAGA part 1 video I posted. She seems to be a Mylene Farmer fan and the picture in her avatar is that of Louis-Michel Lepeletier de saint Fargeau who was a martyr of the French revolution.

She commented "Son drame c'est qu'elle n'a jamais mûri du moins artistiquement, et c'est un complexe d'une grande violence à admettre pour elle surtout après être passée un instant de sa vie auprès de Mylène la légende du mystère poétique des dernières décennies.

Using Google translate, "Her tragedy is that she never matured at least artistically, and it is a complex of great violence to admit for her especially after spending a moment of her life with Mylène the legend of the poetic mystery of past decades.".

The clip of my short video to the dance studio last September, has generated over 86,000 views so far. Quite surprising to me. We've discussed this before and it seems most of those views are from Russia. But I checked the analytics of one of my other channels, that does not have that video and though the numbers aren't large, it's showing a definite upward trend and though the most views are from Russia, France and the US are right up there too.

I checked the viewership for the top 10 videos in my channel in the United States and again the numbers aren't staggering but it definitely seems to be an upward trend.

It seems too that a lot of these views are because of "Suggested videos" by Youtube.

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[Shepherd]

I had a guy think I was Alizee too in my Instagram account, and sent me dick pics. So yeah... Lol

Oy! I wonder how much of that sort of thing Alizee gets? No doubt more than we want to know about.

Edit:



Mylene is a very attractive woman in more ways than one.

But some how, some way, I don't trust her.



I have similar feelings. She creeps me out a little bit.

[RedRafe]

I had a guy think I was Alizee too in my Instagram account, and sent me dick pics. So yeah... Lol

Oy! I wonder how much of that sort of thing Alizee gets? No doubt more than we want to know about.
[b]

I’ll be honest, we’d probably be utterly horrified if we actually knew how much of this type of stuff Alizée was “exposed” too… :(

It’s one of these “reprehensible” behaviors that guys seem to “routinely” indulge in, that absolutely “gross women out”, unless it is “invited”…

Now, I’m not going to go into the “psychology” behind this, for it’s not “good reading”, and reflects on “men” very badly, and here is not the place to go into that. :noway:

Anyhow, way back, during my “service”, as part of my training as a “Paramedic”, (another “hat” I had to “wear”) I had to “get in” a certain amount of time on a hospital ward, to gain experience of interacting with actual patients… :)

The only “snag” here was I was the only “male nurse” attached to this ward, which was kind of, sort of, both “heaven” and “hell”… :o ;)

Now, you know me, I’m quiet, respectful, and pretty “guarded” and “controlled”, and, when I’m “embarrassed”, or “get caught unaware”, I “blush”, redder than a darn “Beetroot”… :o :D

This meant it was “open season” on me, and no subject was “taboo”, as long as it got the desired reaction. :D

Well, I was a “man of the world” even then, and “life”, so to speak, held very few “mysteries’ for me even them, but my “own imagination could still make me blush”. :D ;)

However, their “imaginations” and “conversations” left me in a “state” of “stunned”, “shocked”, and, “totally appreciative” awe. :p :o ;)

Happy days… :D

At that time, never ever had to worry about having a “date”, for it was quite “routine” for me to be told, “out of the blue” at the end of a “shift”, that my plans for the evening, had already been made, for me… :)

The “down side” of all of this, however, was that it was made abundantly clear to me the male “behaviors” that women found most “unattractive” and sometimes regarded as being just “downright repulsive”, and many of these were things that most guys would regard as being “sexy” or “endearing”, that in reality are just total “turnoffs”. :(

Trust me, sending out “dick pics”, “uninvited”, was very high up on the list of feminine “infamitas”… :(

It’s regarded more as a “very dire threat”, than a “turn on”… :(

Just… Don’t do it… :(

[Scruffydog777]

I went back to my Youtube channel just now and saw the number of views that was up to 86 thousand some odd views yesterday is just shy of 90,000! Why is this particular video doing well when there are so many others out there? Maybe because it's recent and maybe because it shows her not in a role, but as herself.............don't know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ukDn-19dsg&t=181s

[Shepherd]

I went back to my Youtube channel just now and saw the number of views that was up to 86 thousand some odd views yesterday is just shy of 90,000! Why is this particular video doing well when there are so many others out there? Maybe because it's recent and maybe because it shows her not in a role, but as herself.............don't know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ukDn-19dsg&t=181s


It's a great video because it shows Alizee in her natural element and it's not staged. We have seen her signing autographs before, but the situation was structured like an assembly line. Each person had just a moment with her, and there was very little interaction. The only other autographing video that had as much impact was the one where the little girl hugged her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeBMdIKKJCQ

I wonder if because of your video, she will be flooded at the dance studio by fans trying to repeat the experience.

[imverynuts]

Just… Don’t do it… :(

Unfortunately I doubt the guy who sent these things would care to listen to your suggestions lol

[very nasty exchange of DMs]

I always wonder how these guys imagine such an exchange going anywhere..

[Fall]

I always wonder how these guys imagine such an exchange going anywhere..

You and me both buddy :fear:

[RedRafe]

I always wonder how these guys imagine such an exchange going anywhere..

:facepalm:

I don't know whether to "laugh" or "cry", probably "cry"... :o

That is just so frickin sad... :(

If it wasn't associated with Alizée i'd sort that one out, no problems... ;)

Just need me some Sasquatch pics, annnddd... ;)

I could guarantee that he'd be calling 911 for an Ambulance in under 10 mins...

Just, don't ask me how, or why... :D :D :D ;)

Just remember that I was a "Clinical Psychologist", "amongst other things", and I know where his "type" live... :punish: ;)

[imverynuts]

Oh I didn't think of it that way guys! You can delete my posts if you like I'm sorry ��

[CleverCowboy]

Oh I didn't think of it that way guys! You can delete my posts if you like I'm sorry ��

I know your intent was to illustrate the point of how guys should NOT treat a female, but because it was some pretty crude harassment going on, it would best be removed.

[imverynuts]

I know your intent was to illustrate the point of how guys should NOT treat a female, but because it was some pretty crude harassment going on, it would best be removed.

Also I think guys like him probably would even like the attention anyway (I bet he does stuff like that all the time) and there's no reason to give him even that kind of "glory".

[bebert057]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd6fuPQ-294


MrIridium192
il y a 1 an
Very dangerous video... I've showed it to my wife, barely survived beating for no reason...

[imverynuts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd6fuPQ-294


MrIridium192
il y a 1 an
Very dangerous video... I've showed it to my wife, barely survived beating for no reason...

lol now that you mention that, I think I've seen that comment in several videos, someone knows it works ^^

[Scruffydog777]

Here's a comment made to today of a picture I posted on FB.

Ali Sefik Yildirim Alizee, the light in his (her)eyes is very nice.����Alizee doesn't need help, he (she) has a clean heart like an Angel.That's enough for us.She is one of the most precious people in this world for me.We still love him (her)like the first day.Along with mistakes and beauties.

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[Bamagirl]

That really is a lovely picture of her.

[Scruffydog777]

Here's another comment on one of my videos. It seems that more of my other videos are getting noticed because of my visit to the studio.

ES BELLA ES LINDA ATE CHORANDO ES LINDA PRINCESA MARAVILHOSA FORMOSA LINDA LINDA

Google translation "ES BELLA IS CUTE ATE CRYING IS BEAUTIFUL WONDERFUL PRINCESS BEAUTIFUL LINDA LINDA".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrWNL1eyb88

[Scruffydog777]

This comment made today on this video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93h9mXWvrFE

Ализе с такой нежностью и любовью открывает ящик! А в конце, когда извлекла коробку ,такая счастливая и довольная

Alize with such tenderness and love opens the box! And at the end, when I removed the box, so happy and contented

[CleverCowboy]

This comment made today on this video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93h9mXWvrFE

Ализе с такой нежностью и любовью открывает ящик! А в конце, когда извлекла коробку ,такая счастливая и довольная

Alize with such tenderness and love opens the box! And at the end, when I removed the box, so happy and contented

This is a good video showing Alizee "behind the scenes". I think it was taken by Jo.

This wasn't an appliance that ended up gathering dust in her kitchen. I think she wore it out being that she won the celebrity baking competition.

[kulli]

I hope he signs up :)

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2645&stc=1&d=1556649358

[Scruffydog777]

Here's a comment by 'rubenmex83', on Saga pt 1....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWjujVh399Q&t=106s


Es la mujer perfecta y la conocí en persona face to face, es un belleza enr todos los sentidos, no sólo en lo físico."

"She is the perfect woman and I met her in person face to face, she is a beauty in all the senses, not only in the physical."
"

Here is another comment from 'Louis - Michel Lepeltier de Saint - Fargeau', on the same video from about a month ago. Not exactly complimentary in some respects.

"Son drame c'est qu'elle n'a jamais mûri du moins artistiquement, et c'est un complexe d'une grande violence à admettre pour elle surtout après être passée un instant de sa vie auprès de Mylène la légende du mystère poétique des dernières décennies.

"Her tragedy is that she never matured at least artistically, and it is a complex of great violence to admit for her especially after spending a moment of her life with Mylène the legend of the poetic mystery of past decades."

Here is a third comment from 'TMTGAU'....

6 days ago
"I came here looking for an angel and I found two."

I sent him a reply asking who was the second angel. I'm assuming it's Tina Arena.

[CleverCowboy]

"Son drame c'est qu'elle n'a jamais mûri du moins artistiquement, et c'est un complexe d'une grande violence à admettre pour elle surtout après être passée un instant de sa vie auprès de Mylène la légende du mystère poétique des dernières décennies.

"Her tragedy is that she never matured at least artistically, and it is a complex of great violence to admit for her especially after spending a moment of her life with Mylène the legend of the poetic mystery of past decades."


French seems to be particularly difficult to translate to English. Half of the comment doesn't make much sense.

I disagree with him saying that Alizee never matured as an artist, at least I think that is what he is saying in the beginning. He has probably not listened to UEDS or 5.

[Scruffydog777]

Some more comments from the video of my visit to the studio.....

Простая девчонка иминно за простоту и ненаиграность ее абажают милионы

(Simple girl just for the simplicity and imagination of her love millions)

She is still very pretty

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[Mr Coucou]

French seems to be particularly difficult to translate to English. Half of the comment doesn't make much sense.


I once heard a translator say that French can be difficult to translate into English because there are alot of double-meanings in French.

[Shepherd]

I wonder if the French pronouns for "him/her" are the same. In frequent translations I see the masculine "he/him" inserted for the feminine "she/her." It's not unusual, for instance, to see Alizee referred to as "he."

[Mr Coucou]

I wonder if the French pronouns for "him/her" are the same. In frequent translations I see the masculine "he/him" inserted for the feminine "she/her." It's not unusual, for instance, to see Alizee referred to as "he."

I've noticed the same thing.

[Scruffydog777]

Though I had a couple of years of French way back in high school, I'm no expert on the language and it's not even close. If I had know 12 years ago, what an impact this beautiful young woman was going to have on my life, I would have made an attempt at learning it, but I didn't.

Still, I have learned many of her songs well and most of you know some of the projects I've worked on such as SAGA and DALS. In these cases, I paid someone who used to live in Paris to do the interpretations. But still, especially with the songs in these shows and some of the songs from her albums, a direct interpretation, right or wrong, wasn't enough. You had to figure out what the story was saying and I put a lot of effort into that and I think in most cases I got it right.

The most interesting case of whether a pronoun meant he or she was the song Idealizer. Idealizer was a song from her first album after leaving MF where people took it as being written in an insulting manner towards Mylene Farmer.

I took a lot of time looking at this song and the interpretations out there weren't that great in my opinion, but I looked long and hard at what the writer was trying to say and though I'm sure Alizee would never knowingly sing a song that was insulting about Mylene, I think the song's writer was directing it towards MF, though he said later on that it was about a woman he knew who had drug problems and later committed suicide.

Look at 'my' interpretation......
Lines directed at MF;
She is alone on the floor
flowing in alcohol
The veneer is cracking under the idol......
Powdered faces, dressed in silk

The next line talks about her leaving Mylene
That which hurts and we leave behind

Snow white exhibited to the archangels.....definitely a reference to Alizee. You can see a little smile on her face when Christophe sings that line.

Time is of the autumn. Just like with 'A Cause de L'Automne speaks of the 'fall' of a relationship, so this song speaks of the fall of the relationship between Alizee and MF/LB.

It's uncanny how in this song, the word 'Idealizer', sounds so much like Alizée and I think Alizée is what it is meant to mean. A double entendre, this one not created by Mylene.

Idealizer, but really Alizee, a broken past (I'm not sure what that is in reference to)

Now the next line is a perfect example of a pronoun that could have meant he or she. For this song, for this interpretation, I left the meanings as he, because I did not want the video I posted on YT to look like a dig at Ms Farmer.


Not realizing 'he' but really means 'she' is no longer there and I think it means Mylene Farmer realizes Alizee is no longer there.

"Idealizer", again meaning Alizee, makes herself beautiful backstage, planning to go away and not return.

The leap into the darkness which was exactly Alizee was doing by leaving MF.
"The small club kid" A reference to Alizee being certainly in comparison to Paris, the small town of Ajaccio.

"Does not love the day". I think this has to do with what I've heard about Alizee over the years. When Jeremy came into her life, it is rumoured he told her she should have been making more money and he told her about the deeper sexual meanings of her songs and when she found out, she did not love the day.

"Idealizer".....again Alizee, just supposes...."she dared everything". She dared everything by leaving MF/LB.

and then this last line was again one where I left a pronoun that could have meant he or she, but I chose to put it as he for a 'cleaner' meaning....

"and to him" which I feel was actually "and to her" and of course the her was Ms Farmer, and to Mylene she asked for one last kiss!

There's a line or two that doesn't seem to fit my story, but I do feel I'm right about this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUBLxEQB41M

[Mr Coucou]

"I just spent 50 euros calling that number"

[kulli]

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2733&stc=1&d=1563134433

[Shepherd]

Though I had a couple of years of French way back in high school, I'm no expert on the language and it's not even close. If I had know 12 years ago, what an impact this beautiful young woman was going to have on my life, I would have made an attempt at learning it, but I didn't.

Still, I have learned many of her songs well and most of you know some of the projects I've worked on such as SAGA and DALS. In these cases, I paid someone who used to live in Paris to do the interpretations. But still, especially with the songs in these shows and some of the songs from her albums, a direct interpretation, right or wrong, wasn't enough. You had to figure out what the story was saying and I put a lot of effort into that and I think in most cases I got it right.

The most interesting case of whether a pronoun meant he or she was the song Idealizer. Idealizer was a song from her first album after leaving MF where people took it as being written in an insulting manner towards Mylene Farmer.

I took a lot of time looking at this song and the interpretations out there weren't that great in my opinion, but I looked long and hard at what the writer was trying to say and though I'm sure Alizee would never knowingly sing a song that was insulting about Mylene, I think the song's writer was directing it towards MF, though he said later on that it was about a woman he knew who had drug problems and later committed suicide.

Look at 'my' interpretation......
Lines directed at MF;
She is alone on the floor
flowing in alcohol
The veneer is cracking under the idol......
Powdered faces, dressed in silk

The next line talks about her leaving Mylene
That which hurts and we leave behind

Snow white exhibited to the archangels.....definitely a reference to Alizee. You can see a little smile on her face when Christophe sings that line.

Time is of the autumn. Just like with 'A Cause de L'Automne speaks of the 'fall' of a relationship, so this song speaks of the fall of the relationship between Alizee and MF/LB.

It's uncanny how in this song, the word 'Idealizer', sounds so much like Alizée and I think Alizée is what it is meant to mean. A double entendre, this one not created by Mylene.

Idealizer, but really Alizee, a broken past (I'm not sure what that is in reference to)

Now the next line is a perfect example of a pronoun that could have meant he or she. For this song, for this interpretation, I left the meanings as he, because I did not want the video I posted on YT to look like a dig at Ms Farmer.


Not realizing 'he' but really means 'she' is no longer there and I think it means Mylene Farmer realizes Alizee is no longer there.

"Idealizer", again meaning Alizee, makes herself beautiful backstage, planning to go away and not return.

The leap into the darkness which was exactly Alizee was doing by leaving MF.
"The small club kid" A reference to Alizee being certainly in comparison to Paris, the small town of Ajaccio.

"Does not love the day". I think this has to do with what I've heard about Alizee over the years. When Jeremy came into her life, it is rumoured he told her she should have been making more money and he told her about the deeper sexual meanings of her songs and when she found out, she did not love the day.

"Idealizer".....again Alizee, just supposes...."she dared everything". She dared everything by leaving MF/LB.

and then this last line was again one where I left a pronoun that could have meant he or she, but I chose to put it as he for a 'cleaner' meaning....

"and to him" which I feel was actually "and to her" and of course the her was Ms Farmer, and to Mylene she asked for one last kiss!

There's a line or two that doesn't seem to fit my story, but I do feel I'm right about this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUBLxEQB41M




I listened to the song before reading your comments and was jolted when Christophe sang "Idealizer" also thinking it must refer to "Alizee." I had heard Christophe sing this song before and was untouched by it; but with the translation, I find it very emotional.

Edit:

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2733&stc=1&d=1563134433


Kreso is in deep trouble. The situation is hopeless. He has my sympathy.

[CleverCowboy]

Luis Eduardo Tcach
4 months ago

Alizée, gracias por existir porque tu has hecho a este mundo un poco menos horrible.

Translated:

Alizée, thanks for existing because you have made this world a little less horrible.

[Mr Coucou]

"Now that's a motivation to learn French."

[Shepherd]

Luis Eduardo Tcach
4 months ago

Alizée, thanks for existing because you have made this world a little less horrible.


:thumb: I have had this same thought many times.


http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2419

[Scruffydog777]

I had almost forgotten about this video I put together about 2 years ago until someone just made a not so epic comment.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Z_3CZc-mk&t=199s

[Bamagirl]

I had almost forgotten about this video I put together about 2 years ago until someone just made a not so epic comment.



Oh, Scruffydog, that is absolutely brilliant! I need to download and save this. You
really are talented!

[Scruffydog777]

Thanks, maybe at the beginning of football season I'll spend a 'few' bucks to promote it.

[kulli]

But I think overall, I'd have to say Moi Lolita in Amsterdam is my favourite. Maybe it's because its how I discovered 'her' music. She danced with such poise and confidence and she was only 16. The audience loved her and she fed off that and another reason I loved it was it featured the best of Laurant Boutannat's music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TohVyvF7Gpg
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2760&stc=1&d=1565198647

[Scruffydog777]

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2760&stc=1&d=1565198647

One thing I should have mentioned here that I've mentioned a thousand times before is I love it when an artist looks like they are enjoying what they are doing and she looks like.........no....... she is loving the moment and how could I not have mentioned the fact that this would not have been possible without the great lyrics of the legendary Mylene Farmer.

[CleverCowboy]

La Isla Bonita

100 Subs And Then I Will Delete TikTok
1 week ago
Misheard lyrics: 00:31 Young Girl With Eyes Like Potatoes

https://youtu.be/xq-aTe77bkA?t=30

It does sound like that! :D

[Shepherd]

La Isla Bonita

100 Subs And Then I Will Delete TikTok
1 week ago
Misheard lyrics: 00:31 Young Girl With Eyes Like Potatoes

https://youtu.be/xq-aTe77bkA?t=30

It does sound like that! :D




:)) . :)) . :))

I have a few misheard lyrics myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6omsDyFNlk

00:15
La la Palooza don't nobody bruise ya

at 00:35
don't nobody lose ya

00:57
don't have a dong

01:16
do de da do da

01:32
don't make my big sister.

02:30 You know how'd grabber.

[Scruffydog777]

1:41 Keep my distance

https://youtu.be/A8WKRUuLrvE?t=101

[Mr Coucou]

1:41 Keep my distance

https://youtu.be/A8WKRUuLrvE?t=101

I hear that every time!

[kulli]

thx guys. I'll never hear these songs the same way again after hearing these misheard lyrics:cry:

[Shepherd]

La Isla Bonita

100 Subs And Then I Will Delete TikTok
1 week ago
Misheard lyrics: 00:31 Young Girl With Eyes Like Potatoes

https://youtu.be/xq-aTe77bkA?t=30

It does sound like that! :D


Every time I listen to this now I hear "Young girl with eyes like potatas." I had to look up the lyrics to find out what Alizee was really singing. "Desert" The word is "desert." "Eyes like the desert."

If a girl looked at you with "eyes like a desert" would that be a good sign? A desert is a vast empty nothing. That doesn't sound promising. But a desert IS hot. Now we're talking.

As Alizee sings this song, it's difficult not to notice her eyes are definitely not potatas.

[Scruffydog777]

"Enough!"

http://youtu.be/JtYrPfh7pzA

What she said here came up for discussion years ago. It was said she was asked what she thought of Japan and she answered "énorme".........which means huge.

[CleverCowboy]

:)) . :)) . :))

i have a few misheard lyrics myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6omsdyfnlk

00:15
la la palooza don't nobody bruise ya

at 00:35
don't nobody lose ya

00:57
don't have a dong

01:16
do de da do da

01:32
don't make my big sister.

02:30 you know how'd grabber.

rofl :))) :)))

[Scruffydog777]

This comment made today on a video I filmed and posted of a speech she gave in Ajaccio, the occasion being her signing autographs there on her birthday.

"
Dabz
Trop beau l'esprit corse ont dirait une grandes familles Alizée heureuse familles et dédicace a qui le veux très cool👍💟💟💟"

"Too beautiful the Corsican spirit would look like a big families Alizée happy families and dedication to whoever wants it very cool".

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNi0J_2QCvY&t=2s

[Scruffydog777]

There was this comment today on the SAGA pt 3 video.....

"FELICITATIONS pour ton ANIVERSAIRE, beacoup de joyes ,et pour ta tendresse , sa légèretè, son sens, sa finesse , sa trajectoire, et par son regard et ton sourire e parce Qu´ il tout exist , tout es mon tout "

"CONGRATULATIONS for your ANIVERSARY, many joys, and for your tenderness, its lightness, its sense, its delicacy, its trajectory, and by its look and your smile e because it all exists, everything is my everything"


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzERQSwHszk

[Scruffydog777]

I think this is a good comment on this video though I think I have a different interpretation of the word 'shredded'.

"Outstanding video ! Totally shredded Alizee , on my favourite list No. 1 ������"

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLnOD1cQoWM

[Bamagirl]

I so much enjoy watching this! You did such a great job. I just showed it to my almost-12-year-old daughter. She said it is “Lit.” Apparently, that means “cool.” Learn something new every day!

[CleverCowboy]

I agree this is a great video! The transition from one performance to another was virtually seamless.

[Scruffydog777]

Another interesting comment from John Connor, about Alizee from my visit to the studio video.

"Что касается татуировок, то это напомнило мне картину Banksy "Girl with Balloon" , которая попыталась самоуничтожиться, но сделала это не полностью, после чего стала называться "Love is in the Bin" . Здесь мы также имеем дело со случаем, когда произведение искусства попыталось себя испортить ��
Название "Girl with Balloon" также подходит для одного из первых официальных клипов Alizée - "L'Alizé" . Видимо, название "Love is in the Bin" будет соответствовать одному из ещё пока не снятых клипов."

"As for tattoos, it reminded me of Banksy's picture “Girl with Balloon”, which tried to self-destruct, but didn’t do it completely, after which it was called “Love is in the Bin”. Here we also deal with the case when a work of art tried to spoil itself ��
The name "Girl with Balloon" is also suitable for one of Alizée's first official music videos - "L'Alizé". Apparently, the name "Love is in the Bin" will correspond to one of the clips not yet shot ..".

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[Scruffydog777]

"And then she'd say:
"It's OK, I got lost on the way
But I'm a super girl
And super girls don't cry"."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrWNL1eyb88

[imverynuts]

https://youtu.be/yD0h2_WuZuk?t=113
"
Geoffrey DBG
10 months ago
At 2:00 the look in her eyes ... I'm completely melting"

I totally agree with that guy.. I wish I could find just that clip does anyone know which episode it is? I tried find it on the 5th DALS Rumba episode but I don't see it.. nor in some of the miscellaneous clips bah! I'd be really grateful if someone could find it :)

[Scruffydog777]

https://youtu.be/yD0h2_WuZuk?t=113
"
Geoffrey DBG
10 months ago
At 2:00 the look in her eyes ... I'm completely melting"

I totally agree with that guy.. I wish I could find just that clip does anyone know which episode it is? I tried find it on the 5th DALS Rumba episode but I don't see it.. nor in some of the miscellaneous clips bah! I'd be really grateful if someone could find it :)

I'm pretty sure that's from week 5. I'm at work now, but I have all the videos of the DALS shows, both the raw files, plus the videos I added English subtitles too. There's a few I don't have where a sort of ad was made of the show or scenes were made for some other show outside of the regular shows, but again, I have all that happened in the regular shows.

Edit:

A comment posted today....

"How to steal a heart with one word..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lVQ2yFMVyo

[Scruffydog777]

I did some checking when I got home and I'm sure that was in week 5, but what I have and I do have what was aired that week doesn't show that exact sequence. Like I said, I think it might have been shown as a promotional type of video but also what they do is show some clips of an earlier show in the later weeks. What I can do is for those who don't have them, I can upload the raw files and the ones that I paid to have translations done for and added to the videos, added to my Google drive. If members here want that, it will be a little bit of a slow process, but I can do it week by week so you can see the Alizee story progress over the course of the show. Just keep in mind, as I add shows, I will have to remove earlier shows to make room.

[CleverCowboy]

Geoffrey DBG
10 months ago
At 2:00 the look in her eyes ... I'm completely melting"

I totally agree with that guy.. I wish I could find just that clip does anyone know which episode it is? I tried find it on the 5th DALS Rumba episode but I don't see it.. nor in some of the miscellaneous clips bah! I'd be really grateful if someone could find it :)

I've watched a large number of Rhein's videos, but not this one because I never liked the Hungry Eyes song. But that look at 2:00 is pretty amazing. It is like she is looking at Greg like we look at her. :D

[Scruffydog777]

Here are 2 of the files I have for week 5. One is with subtitles and one isn't....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yG0GV_7nWTUQNnX-mJeCBhJ9Wal6Hhtl/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MN-dzOUBIm0rPYf1cApU_UYCRBOL0scb/view?usp=sharing

[CleverCowboy]

I did some checking when I got home and I'm sure that was in week 5, but what I have and I do have what was aired that week doesn't show that exact sequence. Like I said, I think it might have been shown as a promotional type of video but also what they do is show some clips of an earlier show in the later weeks. What I can do is for those who don't have them, I can upload the raw files and the ones that I paid to have translations done for and added to the videos, added to my Google drive. If members here want that, it will be a little bit of a slow process, but I can do it week by week so you can see the Alizee story progress over the course of the show. Just keep in mind, as I add shows, I will have to remove earlier shows to make room.

I have quite a few of them, but I wouldn't be surprised if I am missing some. I would like to cross check to be sure I have all. I'm sure other members would be appreciative as well.

[Aragorn97]

I'm sure other members would be appreciative as well.

Absolutely!

[imverynuts]

Yeah scruffy that would be great, we could grab ones we don't have as you go along. That's a great favor, thanks!

I know I've said this before but again everytime she smiles like that I just think there's nothing else like her and I go crazy wanting to make sure I've got whatever file/video of such backup up because youtube videos etc drop off all the time for whatever reason and I try to get as much downloaded as possible since you never know what corporation or whatever is going to come by and just cut off the video! :mad:

[Scruffydog777]

Dals pt 1

No subs
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l1ZNs5wIJxX0u3YwBkcRC4R20QFOg87x/view?usp=sharing

Subs
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwRJ98h82JlAXzdEM3UzbDUtV00/view?usp=sharing

[Shepherd]

Dals pt 1

No subs
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l1ZNs5wIJxX0u3YwBkcRC4R20QFOg87x/view?usp=sharing

Subs
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwRJ98h82JlAXzdEM3UzbDUtV00/view?usp=sharing

Thank you Scruffydog. I have seen most of this video before but not all of it. I had never seen where Alizee got teary-eyed about her daughter, and although I have seen the segment where Gregorie and Alizee first met, I don't recall seeing the translation before. Greg wanted Alizee to seduce him and she sure as hell did that. I have seen the "I don't shout" before, but I couldn't help laughing when I saw it again today. Great video, thanks again.

[Scruffydog777]

Thank you Scruffydog. I have seen most of this video before but not all of it. I had never seen where Alizee got teary-eyed about her daughter, and although I have seen the segment where Gregorie and Alizee first met, I don't recall seeing the translation before. Greg wanted Alizee to seduce him and she sure as hell did that. I have seen the "I don't shout" before, but I couldn't help laughing when I saw it again today. Great video, thanks again.

You're welcome Shepherd and anyone else who wanted these. I'll try to add one a day. That way, at some point I'll have to delete some I added to make room for the others. Hopefully this will give everyone time who wants them to download them.

[Scruffydog777]

Dals Season 4, week 2

Video without subs;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R-7VOtAlGCGFCxC3f2PXBKXwQozVUQz_/view?usp=sharing

Video with subs;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zsn2lRuLGFpSk4w_oRWVZ7TmvPCagz5B/view?usp=sharing

I think this week's show kind of proved to us what most of us felt went on in her previous relationship and we can discuss that after others here have had time to watch these videos.

[Aragorn97]

Thank you very much, Scruffydog! I've just finished watching the video and I have to say that I am touched by her performance.
I had never seen the story behind, so this video told me a lot about her that I didn't know before (thanks to the song lyrics, too). Now I completely understand her dance and what it meant for her. Seeing her so sad makes me understand how happy she is now and how she deserves it. I'll be even a bit happier for her when I see her smiling from now on. Thank you, again

Edit:

P S: I noticed something in the video. When Alizée and Grégoire are talking on the floor, at a certain point she says that she will always love her ex husband through her daughter. And Greg looks down and seems sad. Do you think that he was sad also because he was already in love with her? We know he already liked her when he was a teenager but who knows if it was already love.
What do you think?

(do I have to create another thread for this? )

[kulli]

P S: I noticed something in the video. When Alizée and Grégoire are talking on the floor, at a certain point she says that she will always love her ex husband through her daughter. And Greg looks down and seems sad. Do you think that he was sad also because he was already in love with her? We know he already liked her when he was a teenager but who knows if it was already love.
What do you think?



He was crazy about her when he was young and and he even had a girlfriend who looked similar like Alizee. I guess he knew she was unreachable for him. After all these years he finally met her and participates with her in a dance show. I can only imgagine to be in his situation! Maybe he was not in love, but I think he already feelings for her or quickly got some when they spent time together. This statement may got him thinking, but I am sure he was aware that it is probably the chance of his life, so he gave not up to win hear heart.

[Scruffydog777]

...............
P S: I noticed something in the video. When Alizée and Grégoire are talking on the floor, at a certain point she says that she will always love her ex husband through her daughter. And Greg looks down and seems sad. Do you think that he was sad also because he was already in love with her? We know he already liked her when he was a teenager but who knows if it was already love.
What do you think?

(do I have to create another thread for this? )

I think he looked sad when he looked down for 2 reasons, one was as you suspect, he was already in love with her and maybe with what she said, he felt he didn't have a chance. Of course it turned out other wise. I also think he looked down because he felt sad for her.

We can see with that dance and the tears it produced in week 2 that she was still in love with Jeremy, but this little clip is from week 1, though I don't think it was in the regular show video. In it you can see the joy and happiness she was already experiencing by sharing her passion for dance with someone other than her very good friend PierreAntoine, a professional dancer, who was from Ajaccio and who was gay. I think in that first week, the seeds of a new relationship were planted.

As far as starting a new thread, that's up to you. We run things pretty loosely here where other forums constantly tell you "Stick to the topic". Of course the benefit of sticking to the topic is, in the future it makes looking back for something that was said easier, if it was on topic for the title of the thread..

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z3tcdDrYg7nEbNJQYm28zS8JMVuCD7hE/view?usp=sharing

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[Scruffydog777]

Dals, week 3

With subs;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1brPaLizCwsX1vYNexwbisab9AMnkIkVI/view?usp=sharing

Without subs;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OtQYqq2HOdaN_aE-EjVsGwa6AIIx1W3i/view?usp=sharing

[Aragorn97]

We can see with that dance and the tears it produced in week 2 that she was still in love with Jeremy, but this little clip is from week 1, though I don't think it was in the regular show video. In it you can see the joy and happiness she was already experiencing by sharing her passion for dance with someone other than her very good friend PierreAntoine, a professional dancer, who was from Ajaccio and who was gay. I think in that first week, the seeds of a new relationship were planted.



I've always thought that who you see in this kind of TV shows tends to act like an actor or, anyway, to emphasize their emotions. For example Alizée and Greg seemed really harmonious since the very first time. But I think that they were just very lucky to have found each other. As I said before, we don't know how actually Alizée is, but she has always seemed sincere to me: I think she didn't pretend anything here, not even once. Nevertheless it wasn't easy to tell so much about her. I'm sure that she HAD to open herself for the show, but I think that Grégoire was really good at creating a sort of alchemy between them and at making her feel comfortable. So yes, I agree with you: there was a little spark burning from the very beginning.



I don't know much about Dals a part from the few glimpses that youtube offers, so I think that I will create a new thread about this (probably enormous) subject when I see all the episodes, if I need to discuss about it. :)

[Mr Coucou]

I wonder if the French pronouns for "him/her" are the same. In frequent translations I see the masculine "he/him" inserted for the feminine "she/her." It's not unusual, for instance, to see Alizee referred to as "he."

Yes; for the indirect pronouns, him is "lui" and her is "lui".

(Its funny how French makes such a big deal about gender--- but in this instance, French doesn't care about gender when it ought to care about gender.)

Les pronoms COI
https://youtu.be/xHk8jpCRADU?t=177

[Scruffydog777]

Dals week 4, with subtitles then without...


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Qif-bnmV_ECEkvJqNqwOVIb_-n7_AE2z/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12eV_O-Eobr8bc21iPN3utPvlPpZzD7NR/view?usp=sharing

[Aragorn97]

Thank you, Scruffydog :D

[Mr Coucou]

"She is the closest evidence to the existence of a god"

[Scruffydog777]

;)--------

[imverynuts]

Dals week 4, with subtitles then without...


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Qif-bnmV_ECEkvJqNqwOVIb_-n7_AE2z/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12eV_O-Eobr8bc21iPN3utPvlPpZzD7NR/view?usp=sharing


Hi scruffy, I already have all your subtitled ones (SUPER thanks again!), are the raw files higher res?

thanks!

[Aragorn97]

From what I see, yes

[imverynuts]

From what I see, yes

:-O looks like I better start getting them then!

Edit: oh wow it's so incredibly crisp. SUPER DUPER THANKS scruffy WOW

edit 2: oh man the resolution is so good, this is like a treasure trove of new photos :-D

[Aragorn97]

Yes, these videos are incredible

[CleverCowboy]

I've always thought that who you see in this kind of TV shows tends to act like an actor or, anyway, to emphasize their emotions. For example Alizée and Greg seemed really harmonious since the very first time. But I think that they were just very lucky to have found each other. As I said before, we don't know how actually Alizée is, but she has always seemed sincere to me: I think she didn't pretend anything here, not even once. Nevertheless it wasn't easy to tell so much about her. I'm sure that she HAD to open herself for the show, but I think that Grégoire was really good at creating a sort of alchemy between them and at making her feel comfortable. So yes, I agree with you: there was a little spark burning from the very beginning.

Based on comments Alizee had made about Greg, he was instrumental in making her feel good about herself again. I believe she is one that marries for life, and she had to finally realize she could not "fix" her marriage. We can assume she felt rejected, but apparently felt defective as well, that there was something wrong with her. Greg came into her life as she was very vulnerable and could have totally taken advantage of that (and her). But her was patient and kind and by all accounts a gentleman, but not a pushover. Being that way paid infinite dividends. :)

Also, a big thanks to ScruffyDog for the videos!

[imverynuts]

Based on comments Alizee had made about Greg, he was instrumental in making her feel good about herself again. I believe she is one that marries for life, and she had to finally realize she could not "fix" her marriage. We can assume she felt rejected, but apparently felt defective as well, that there was something wrong with her. Greg came into her life as she was very vulnerable and could have totally taken advantage of that (and her). But her was patient and kind and by all accounts a gentleman, but not a pushover. Being that way paid infinite dividends. :)

You've said what I've kinda thought myself in a more succinct way.. I kinda hope I'm wrong I hate to imagine ALIZEE of all people feeling like they're defective or not good enough :fear:

And you're right about Greg not being a pushover, I've seen him correct her etc and I can deifnitely see why she respects that. Also I bet it doesn't hurt she knows he absolutely thinks she's the most pretty thing he ever saw, not a bad boost in confidence for her ;)


Also, a big thanks to ScruffyDog for the videos!

Yeah again thanks man I already had the subbed ones I had no idea the raw ones were such high quality, it's is true HD for sure!

[Aragorn97]

I hate to imagine ALIZEE of all people feeling like they're defective or not good enough :fear:


Exactly. When you told me (I think yesterday) that Jeremy might have cheated on her, I felt so bad for her. I was so worried that I refreshed the page a lot of times, waiting for you to tell me that it was just a hypothesis lol

Luckly now she has Greg, who, as CleverCowboy said, was and is a gentleman

[imverynuts]

Exactly. When you told me (I think yesterday) that Jeremy might have cheated on her, I felt so bad for her. I was so worried that I refreshed the page a lot of times, waiting for you to tell me that it was just a hypothesis lol

Luckly now she has Greg, who, as CleverCowboy said, was and is a gentleman

Oh sorry man yeah anytime I say something like that unless I'm explicitly showing evidence or something I'm just speculating is all.

Yah, I feel Alizee is in very good hands with Greg. Given his passion for dance that they both share , I don't think there's a better person out there.

[Scruffydog777]

Was gone all day.....getting this out late.

Dals week 5

Without subs

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cdRAJRiVr3fzaibtFAM2MCMSEw30GRHQ/view?usp=sharing

With subs

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MN-dzOUBIm0rPYf1cApU_UYCRBOL0scb/view?usp=sharing

[imverynuts]

Was gone all day.....getting this out late.

Dals week 5

Without subs

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cdRAJRiVr3fzaibtFAM2MCMSEw30GRHQ/view?usp=sharing

With subs

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MN-dzOUBIm0rPYf1cApU_UYCRBOL0scb/view?usp=sharing

Nah Scruffy you're precisely on time and I am only ever grateful for these. I already had the subbed versions as I've said but the raw ones are so much more HD it's like seeing this stuff for the first time again!

[CleverCowboy]

Exactly. When you told me (I think yesterday) that Jeremy might have cheated on her, I felt so bad for her. I was so worried that I refreshed the page a lot of times, waiting for you to tell me that it was just a hypothesis lol

I think it is a universal belief that Jeremy was not satisfied with Dream Girl at home and had strayed. He was, after all, a teen idol at that time and no doubt had girls throwing themselves at him. Alizee was at home big and pregnant. It is easy to see how that conclusion could be made and I happen to be one to believe it happened, but there is no concrete proof.

What I have always thought strange was the scarcity of photos of them together. Sure, there were the staged photos, but even those tapered off after a few years. When their pictures made magazine covers, they were two separate photos merged together. Of the public photos of them together, he is not even doing the simplest things, like holding Alizee's hand or having his arm around her. To me it signals the lack of commitment or not wanting to appear too committed to one girl. A definite red flag.

What can be said in confidence is that the arrival of Annily changed the dynamic of their relationship, essentially from smoking hot girlfriend to "wife" and "mother". Some lyrics from Mon Chevalier gives some insights:

My knight of rubbish
My little scoundrel
That looks beautiful in the eyes of girls
But doesn’t look at me

and

He doesn’t like French movies
He prefers porn on the internet
When we make love
He turns off the lights, my knight

Alizee spells it out pretty clearly.

[Aragorn97]

My knight of rubbish
My little scoundrel
That looks beautiful in the eyes of girls
But doesn’t look at me

and

He doesn’t like French movies
He prefers porn on the internet
When we make love
He turns off the lights, my knight

Alizee spells it out pretty clearly.

Wow! I didn't know the translation of this song.The more I find out about 5, the more it seems to be underrated...

I found also this stanza, that could refer to her marriage and what you said:

He tells me that at 30 years old
It still feels young
To have children
That it may not be the time
I ask him if he loves me
He doesn’t want to commit himself, my knight



I've always thought that she got married too young. Not only for her career; I mean that a 20 year-old person is not ready to have children. Obviously I bet there are thousands of people that got married at that age and are happy, but I'm talking in general. You have to be sure that the man you're going to marry is actually mature and knows what he is doing. I think the problem is here.
Probably she felt ready for that. After all she was already working, had traveled all over the world and had everything she could ever need for a family. And it seems good for her, since her mother and grandmother had children at that age. The problem is that when there are this kind of "young" marriage and they don't go well, it is almost always the woman that pays.


I think it is a universal belief that Jeremy was not satisfied with Dream Girl at home and had strayed. He was, after all, a teen idol at that time and no doubt had girls throwing themselves at him. Alizee was at home big and pregnant. It is easy to see how that conclusion could be made and I happen to be one to believe it happened, but there is no concrete proof.

As I said, I know almost nothing about him and I might be conditioned by the fact that I've known him as her ex husband, but I have to say that I never liked him. I don't know, there is something in him that tells me that he is not sincere... I'm not saying that he is a bad guy, but if I met him as a university colleague, I wouldn't trust him...
Moreover you're right, Alizée was having some problems during those years... So yes, it could be that he wanted another girl. I just hope that he had discussed it with Alizée before "acting" (if this is actually the problem). Respect must be the most important thing in a relationship.

Edit:

Moreover some say that girls become mature earlier than boys... Don't know if it is true but usually the elderly seem to know this kind of thing.

[CleverCowboy]

I've always thought that she got married too young. Not only for her career; I mean that a 20 year-old person is not ready to have children. Obviously I bet there are thousands of people that got married at that age and are happy, but I'm talking in general. You have to be sure that the man you're going to marry is actually mature and knows what he is doing. I think the problem is here.

Maybe Alizee wanted to get married young to have children at an early age, but maybe she was insecure about her relationship with Jeremy and rushed it to keep from losing him.

Jeremy was in Stars à domicile a few months before he married Alizee. I'm not sure if you have seen it.

At about the 12 minute mark, it is enough to make you ill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5yHSewMjd0&t=311s

[imverynuts]

Alizee spells it out pretty clearly.

Oh man :mad: This doesn't help my suspicions about him at all. I just need to go to work today and not dwell on this. I just keep imagining all these scenes of a guy with the most beautiful, gentle, and honest lady I've ever seen being ignored and rejected by some guy with the mind of a disloyal middle schooler!

https://i.imgur.com/s59qqAF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/PA6rKlf.jpg

I see nothing wrong her there and at worst she looks look a cute little pregnant librarian. There's another pic I can't find where she's smiling and pregnant and I cannot imagine for the life of me ever straying from this woman. I need to just calm down and go to work today. I'll see you guys later.

The problem is that when there are this kind of "young" marriage and they don't go well, it is almost always the woman that pays.

I'm of the opinion myself if Gregoire had been who Alizee married they might have 3-4 kids or something and none of what Clevercowboy spelled out would've occurred. She definitely had the money by the second album, luckily she shouldn't ever have to worry about money AFAICT.


Moreover you're right, Alizée was having some problems during those years... So yes, it could be that he wanted another girl. I just hope that he had discussed it with Alizée before "acting" (if this is actually the problem). Respect must be the most important thing in a relationship.

Edit:

Moreover some say that girls become mature earlier than boys... Don't know if it is true but usually the elderly seem to know this kind of thing.

I don't think Jeremy was ever as smitten with Alizee as, say, us here or Gregoire. He saw her perform JEAM or something I suspect and that is where she has her most universal appeal. He wasn't the type of guy like us to find her extremely appealing when she just smiles with no makeup. The whole JEAM outfit doesn't really do much for me I guess. I'd say she was more appealing during DALS.

Combine that with my impression Jeremy's more out for himself and isn't really too loyal, well, here we are. Again I'm just glad she's with someone who truly appreciates her.

[Aragorn97]

At about the 12 minute mark, it is enough to make you ill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5yHSewMjd0&t=311s

Well, I have to say that you're quite right...
I mean, that girl met her hero (I guess it was the same that happened with Jessica). I suppose there is nothing wrong to hug her or to stay close to her, but I don't like the way he holds her hand.
In my opinion, when you have a girlfriend/boyfriend there are some little gestures that prove this and that I consider as kind of ritual. I mean, I would hold only my girlfriend's hand that way... But I don't know, to be honest I think that I'm too rigid about this kind of things. I don't know how a couple should behave. I tend to see things too morally and I don't even know what I would do in the same situation.
But, no, I don't like that. And now that you let me see him again, I wonder the same thing I asked myself the first time I saw him: what did Alizée find in him? That's her business, but i can't imagine Alizée next to him...



I see nothing wrong her there and at worst she looks look a cute little pregnant librarian. There's another pic I can't find where she's smiling and pregnant and I cannot imagine for the life of me ever straying from this woman. I need to just calm down and go to work today. I'll see you guys later.




I hate this kind of photos. These are the typical photos that magazines choose on purpose to make celebrities look bad. This kind of magazine should burn.
For example, here you can see that in a photo Alizée is looking nervous while at the phone and in the other one she is making a sort of grimace. This kind of photos are always taken with this perfect timing...

I see nothing wrong in her. She is just a pregnant girl that is not on the stage. It might not be the most beautiful Alizée of all times but if she's pregnant, it is obvious that she can't have the body of a topmodel. Nevertheless she looks cute. And who knows which problems she could have in those days.
Italy is full of this idiotic magazines. I just can't understand why they want to make people feel bad for nothing.
Elle... Lolita? Sure she is a lolita! No one could ever dream to be as beautiful as she is and always will be.

Edit:

By the way, I agree with you, imverynuts. If she had met Greg instead of Jeremy 15 years ago, I think that she would have pondered the idea of just living a normal life with him. As you said, luckily Alizée has never had to worry about money. She would have enjoyed her life just as she's doing now.

[imverynuts]

That's her business, but i can't imagine Alizée next to him...

I can see things like maybe he didn't really worship her at feet (neither does Gregoire, right in front of her anyway lol), and I don't think women like that in a guy. He obviously had other options, and I do think women like men with options other than them yet still are their girlfriend, since that means said men are highly valued and/or capable.

Women's reasons for being attracted to men are can, of course, be very different than the reasons men are for women.


I hate this kind of photos. These are the typical photos that magazines choose on purpose to make celebrities look bad. This kind of magazine should burn.
For example, here you can see that in a photo Alizée is looking nervous while at the phone and in the other one she is making a sort of grimace. This kind of photos are always taken with this perfect timing...

I see nothing wrong in her. She is just a pregnant girl that is not on the stage. It might not be the most beautiful Alizée of all times but if she's pregnant, it is obvious that she can't have the body of a topmodel. Nevertheless she looks cute. And who knows which problems she could have in those days.
Italy is full of this idiotic magazines. I just can't understand why they want to make people feel bad for nothing.

Another impression/guess of mine is Jeremy likes girls who are considered hot more than he likes girls for who they are. Between seeing her pregnant and tabloids trashing her for cheap views, he realized his 'conquest' had run its course.

Even if the entire world thought she looked ugly I know better. I knew that the first time I saw that Amsterdam video. I still remember feeling like I was seeing something I'd never seen before. Still haven't.


Elle... Lolita? Sure she is a lolita! No one could ever dream to be as beautiful as she is and always will be.


I know I've said it several times now, but I'm so glad she has someone who appreciates her now. Better late than never.


By the way, I agree with you, imverynuts. If she had met Greg instead of Jeremy 15 years ago, I think that she would have pondered the idea of just living a normal life with him. As you said, luckily Alizée has never had to worry about money. She would have enjoyed her life just as she's doing now.

Yup, and I can still see her career having been the same otherwise, maybe less an album or so, but possibly even bigger if she didn't have whatever possible turmoil was going on behind the scenes.