Mlle Julliete Discussion Thread

[Deepwaters]

Originally Posted by Edcognito

rofl!

I don't visit the site for a couple days (wife bought a 10 mos. old Rottweiller puppy that i've been TRYING to keep out of trouble) and we've got a new song, decoded and disected!

Yeah, things are moving pretty fast these days, and you know what that means!

(I believe the phrase you're looking for is "C'est la vie.")

[garçoncanadien]

Originally Posted by Leo Sonidus

Ingesting Cocaine orally, in a more pure, less refined form such as crack, can be leathal. Though I wouldn't know how much would bring that on. Differing amounts affect people differently in any aspect of it.

a small number of patients at Miami Jackson Memorial Hospital need to have cocaine bags removed from their intestines. If they burst, they release a lethal dose of cocaine into the person's body, of course these smugglers didn't know that so they ate cocaine bags.

Originally Posted by Killian

I know this isn't the place, but I want to know.
If J'ai pas can be said instead of Je n'ai pas, in informal situations, such as songs, how come elle a pas would be bad grammer?

you can drop the ne in slang Cooney was correct but if you are in my French class i will be mad at u

and EDcognito its c'est la vie

Tu fais la bombe Cooney

[Cooney]

Originally Posted by garçoncanadien

Tu fais la bombe Cooney

Merci ! De toi, ça compte beaucoup :-P

[Edcognito]

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

Yeah, things are moving pretty fast these days, and you know what that means!

(I believe the phrase you're looking for is "C'est la vie.")

LOL - I DID say i "hope" it was right! Sanskrit, Cymric and French - i'm TERRIBLE at all of those! ((hell, on bad days, i'm not too good at English, either!))

I believe it was posted before, but i sincerly hope that the album remains secret until its debut! You guys have me really pumped up to find this song. I am vowing right now tho, that i will not listen to, nor look for, other songs from the album until its released and i buy it. I want to experience that "frisson" of discovery!

Ed

P.S. - I'm not too good with the whole accent mark thingy, either! :P

[Toc De Mac]

Just another thing I noticed...

Doesn't it sound like Alizée is pronouncing "baigner" like [bahn-ya] instead of [bayn-yay]?

[Cooney]

Originally Posted by Toc De Mac

Just another thing I noticed...

Doesn't it sound like Alizée is pronouncing "baigner" like [bahn-ya] instead of [bayn-yay]?

/nod

From RMJ's English lyrics, it looks like he was hearing it as "bagnole," meaning "Prison." A perfect description of Juliet's room.

I think he's correct on it. I'm just trying to figure out what's being said on the previous line, so I can change that one :-P The "me refaire l'intention" really isn't working.

[AsianGuy]

what is this talk about Mlle Julliete is it a new song if it is could someone PM it to me i have been gone the past few weeks so i don't know what happen
thank

AsianGuy

[classicgalx]

Originally Posted by Cooney

4: "Commedia dell'arte" is an old Italian form of comedy, and is the proper name of it in any language. Calling R&J commedia dell'arte is a very bitter and harsh thing - it's a bitingly sarcastic use of that terminology, almost painfully so. The usage refers to what must have been Romeo and Juliet's feeling that they were trapped in some horrible deific joke. The playthings of much greater powers who didn't give a damn about the emotions of their pawns.

Could this also be a reference to 'Comedy of Errors,' also by Shakespeare? In a bitter sense R&J is much like Comedy of Errors, if you see it as a comedy all of the errors of the nurse, Friar lawrence and the messengers pretty much cause the deaths of Romeo and then Juliet.

Also I think that it is impossible to place the drug used in R&J. It was probably some mythical drug, just made up to suit the story. Also Shakespeare wrote R&J probably in 1594. 1595, or 1596 But the story had been around since the 1400's in Italy. So it is impossible to say what drug was used if it was indeed a drug that existed.

Just a Thought

[Ben]

Originally Posted by espire

Anyway, great work Cooney, and everybody else!

Seconded. The depth of this discussion is impressive and to be commended! I just wish I had more time to participate myself.

[Cooney]

Ah ha! I think I may have it!

Instead of "me refaire l'intention" meaning "Again gives me the intention"

How about:

"Meurt en fait de la tension" meaning "Dying from the tension"

That makes more sense, and allows the conversion of the wierd Baigner to RMJ's more fitting Bagnole.

This is why I love having people ask questions and point out things that don't work. It's just like a game, trying to figure out exactly what I'm hearing, and if people didn't keep asking about stuff, we wouldn't get half as far as we do.

Originally Posted by classicgalx

Could this also be a reference to 'Comedy of Errors,' also by Shakespeare? In a bitter sense R&J is much like Comedy of Errors, if you see it as a comedy all of the errors of the nurse, Friar lawrence and the messengers pretty much cause the deaths of Juliet and then Romeo.

Just a Thought

I think it's unlikely to be a direct reference. Commedia dell'arte is something very specific, which Alizée would be familiar with having attended a performance school. A veiled allusion, including both meanings, might be possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. Personally, I don't grant Comedy of Errors and Romeo and Juliet many similarities. One is a true comedy fueled by mistaken identity and a dose of deus ex machina, and the other is a true tragedy fueled by hatred and misfortune. Really, I don't think anybody in Romeo and Juliet makes a mistake, in the dramatic sense, until Romeo mistakes Juliet for dead. Everything prior was either misfortune or intentional deception.