Was the JPVA Alizée the Tinker Bell?

[FanDeAliFee]

Originally Posted by Corsaire

Thanks for the comments. Here are a few further thoughts... In the JPVA video, Alizée/Tinker Bell is basically “taking the audience along”. I hope you guys are enjoying the ride!

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When Alizée appeared on the French TV show La Méthode Cauet in January 2008, the following conversation ensued:

Cauet: [Cecile] took a substance you can find in South America, but not so much in France! Every evening...

Cauet: Have you ever tried anything like that?

Alizée: Never. I avoid it all.

Cauet really should have asked if that includes Tinkerbell's fairy dust, which it seems even Uncle Walt admits can make you fly!!!!

[Corsaire]

Originally Posted by Un-rêve

Well here's a little thing.. I sent this Tinker Bell figurine as a gift to Alizée years ago. Well it's kinda funny because it reminds me of the part in the JEAM dance where she's dancing on the spot flicking her hands in the air.

Interesting! Here is a larger view of a similar toy:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/t...loseupcopy.jpg

While I was analysing Tinker Bell’s moves and poses to validate my theory about JPVA, I saw other examples like:

(JEAM dance)

(Fun TV interview)

So, for sure, you will find many striking resemblances between Alizée and Tinker Bell moves/poses. Although they might not be mere coincidences, most people would just reject it as poor evidence since the moves/poses are so common, which is fair. What makes the JPVA video case so interesting is that the whole concept (lyrics, music and choreography) is based on Tinker Bell and the Peter Pan story and this is not that easily dismissed.

[pepelepew]

Originally Posted by Corsaire

Interesting! Here is a larger view of a similar toy:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/t...loseupcopy.jpg

While I was analysing Tinker Bell’s moves and poses to validate my theory about JPVA, I saw other examples like:

(JEAM dance)

(Fun TV interview)

So, for sure, you will find many striking resemblances between Alizée and Tinker Bell moves/poses. Although they might not be mere coincidences, most people would just reject it as poor evidence since the moves/poses are so common, which is fair. What makes the JPVA video case so interesting is that the whole concept (lyrics, music and choreography) is based on Tinker Bell and the Peter Pan story and this is not that easily dismissed.

Corsaire have you read some where that JPVA is based on Peter Pan or is it just a theory of yours? She does strike poses similar to Tinkerbell in many of her dance moves and during interviews. Another interesting observation that I never considered. Alizee is just too cute to be a reptilian from outer space.

[Corsaire]

Originally Posted by FanDeAliFee

When Alizée appeared on the French TV show La Méthode Cauet in January 2008, the following conversation ensued:

Cauet: [Cecile] took a substance you can find in South America, but not so much in France! Every evening...

Cauet: Have you ever tried anything like that?

Alizée: Never. I avoid it all.

Just so you know, this conversation never took place in the Cauet interview. They were actually talking about Alizée’s MP3 player at that point. The subtitles to this interview which can be found in the video section of AAm are really awful. Some of it is blatantly wrong. It is a shame that so many translated lyrics and interviews all over the Internet are that bad. As I said before, people whose French is not fluent (this is not to say yours isn't) should always be aware of this limitation.

Originally Posted by pepelepew

Corsaire have you read some where that JPVA is based on Peter Pan or is it just a theory of yours?
....

Well, the first time I heard the JPVA song, I recognized the Peter Pan theme right away, but that did not surprise me as this is one of those recurrent themes in mass oriented products. Since I do not particularly like the song and since I cannot stand the bending over move I mostly kept away from any rendition of JPVA. As explained in the OP, the revelation of the similarity with the Tinker Bell bending over move came to me while looking at some pictures of Alizée. After that, the whole thing fell into place piece by piece. I did search the Internet before posting this here and I haven’t found any information concerning the fact that the whole JPVA concept was actually based on Tinker Bell and the Peter Pan story.

As I am somehow perceptive of that sort of symbolism, I am really sure that if the JPVA video was not something I dislike, I would have seen this whole concept a few months ago, when I first discovered Alizée. The other impeding factor was that for a while, I unconsciously wanted Alizée to be different from all the other pop singers. I did indeed unconsciously suppress my usual critical sense for a while. Alizée is different in many ways, but ultimately, she remains a product and, as such, there is inevitably a “control” that is associated with her image and to a certain extent with her own personality.

I guess I did answer your question in the first sentence. Sorry for the ramblings...


Edit:

Ohh, BTW...
pepe, since you seem interested by such topics, here is one more you might like. At the end of the JPVA video, you can see two Alizées, one sitting on a bench and the other one floating in the clouds. I would say it is obvious that one is Alizée herself and the other one is Tinker Bell. One could analyze the whole meaning of this last scene (in conjunction with the first scene), but for sake of simplicity, lets just say that it reveals the concept of duality and alters (“doubles”)... Recurrent themes:

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6255

[Un-rêve]

Originally Posted by Corsaire

At the end of the JPVA video, you can see two Alizées, one sitting on a bench and the other one floating in the clouds. I would say it is obvious that one is Alizée herself and the other one is Tinker Bell. One could analyze the whole meaning of this last scene (in conjunction with the first scene), but for sake of simplicity, lets just say that it reveals the concept of duality and alters (“doubles”)... Recurrent themes:

Well in those scenes you can hear the wind blowing and you know Alizée is like the wind.. she's the Mélodie du vent... that's what I drew from it all but if you see Tinker Bell i guess that's just magic.

Originally Posted by Corsaire

While I was analysing Tinker Bell’s moves and poses to validate my theory about JPVA, I saw other examples like:

(JEAM dance)

(Fun TV interview)

So, for sure, you will find many striking resemblances between Alizée and Tinker Bell moves/poses. Although they might not be mere coincidences, most people would just reject it as poor evidence since the moves/poses are so common, which is fair. What makes the JPVA video case so interesting is that the whole concept (lyrics, music and choreography) is based on Tinker Bell and the Peter Pan story and this is not that easily dismissed.

Wow! You're right!

I believe.. I believe!!!

Originally Posted by Corsaire

Interesting! Here is a larger view of a similar toy:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/t...loseupcopy.jpg

Well with your eye for detail.. you should know that's the same one just with different packaging.


Btw Alizée had no control over those bending over pics from JPVA and she actually said something to that effect in an old magazine interview. Forget the pics but the bridge of the song and her bending over with the " la la la la's " and the "Mélodie du vent" is pretty fine.

[FanDeAliFee]

I resist focusing media attention on hate groups for fear of thereby helping them recruit more members. But we are now past the point of denying that in recent years, there has been a dangerous, rapidly growing Tinkerbell backlash movement! These days, it seems to be organized around the Facebook group Tinkerbell is a SLUT!!.

Now, while I am the last person in the world to deny the vital erotic dimension of Tinkerbell, it is clear that a group founded by someone adopting the sobriquet Pixie Slayer means our good friend Tink no good at all! Just listen to the hateful dribble which constitutes the Info tab of the aforementioned group site:

Did you always watch Peter Pan as a kid... and wish Tinkerbell harm when she tried to kill Wendy?
Did you grin in pleasure when Peter banished her?
....
Nowadays... Tinkerbell is so overplayed as the cute innocent little Pixie...
when really....
She is a Peter-stealing ho!
And she dresses like a pole-dancer!
Wendy is so much more wholesome and Peter-worthy...
Tinkerbell is just a SLUT!

Among other things, this group completely ignores the fact that it was Wendy who was the homewrecker who first upset the apple-cart by locking Tinkerbell in a drawer and then brazenly offered to orally pleasure Tink's boy Peter! And she only knew him like what, two days - or should I say two nights? Besides, it's pretty clear that Wendy is underage because her Mom has only now told her it was time for her to leave the nursery for a room of her own.

Can you say it? That's right - LOLITA - and I don't mean the sixteen-year-old type you run after to innocently lend 200 francs for bus fare!

[Corsaire]

Originally Posted by Un-rêve

I believe.. I believe!!!

Well, I would say it is always better to “understand” rather than “believe”.
Enjoy the ride, then!

[Bigdan]

and JEAM too !!

[Corsaire]

The missing piece of the puzzle! Très bon, Bigdan!

[Un-rêve]

Originally Posted by Corsaire

Well, I would say it is always better to “understand” rather than “believe”.
Enjoy the ride, then!

Yeah offcourse.. are you mocking me? I mentioned those scenes at the beginning and the end of JPVA (where you can hear the wind blowing) .. were actually scenes more related to Alizée rather than Tinker Bell.

Hell.. some think "Tinker Bell is a Slut!!" .. yeah this thread is becoming very mishievous too.