BOUTONNAT IS BACK : Julia , the new Alizée ?

[eru777]

I googled Julia and can't find a wikipedia article.
Anyway she's got a good voice! I was watching this and it's not playback!
Does anyone have a wiki or something for her? I want to know Alizee's involvement on this.
Also, notice the 'nanananana' at 3:46? Haha, that reminded me of Alizee.
I love Boutonat's musak. Even the first chords are great.

[Fall]

In my opinion, she's definitely cute but the music video is awkward and uncomfortable to watch. They tried so hard to make her look all pure and almost virginal, while teasing the "chemistry" between her and the white guy. The black guy is kinda just third wheeling, seemingly only there because they felt compelled to cast a non-white person, but they couldn't be the love interest - I dunno.

Meanwhile the Moi Lolita music video portrayed Alizée's character as a playful heartbreaker, there were people of all shades just being people, and it was fun.

Maybe I'm biased but I don't think that the Julia "project" if you will, will work out as well as Alizée's did. Julia may end up being more successful in terms of sales, but that will probably be her only advantage over the G/MCE days. The formula isn't there anymore, in Julia nor MF/LB. Just my 2 cents.

[eru777]

No artist can stay at their prime forever, it's no different for Mylene and Boutonat. Michael Jackson's invincible album wasn't as good as HIStory or dangerous. Sting's latest album is no 'ten summoner's tales'. He won't write another 'every breath you take' or 'message in a bottle'. It's just how life is. No one expects him to.

[Fall]

Originally Posted by eru777

Michael Jackson's invincible album wasn't as good as HIStory or Dangerous.

Dangerous is my favorite so no argument there
However I would argue that Invincible is as good as HIStory. It has some bangers like You Rock My World, Whatever Happens(with Carlos Santana), Unbreakable (With Biggie), Heartbreaker, Threatened, etc.

Originally Posted by eru777

No artist can stay at their prime forever, it's no different for Mylene and Boutonat.

Maybe not, but others had offered comparisons or guessed at the chances of success vs the A/MF/LB team, so I thought I would do the same.

[Mr Coucou]

Originally Posted by CleverCowboy

I think Julia is very beautiful.

Alizee is beyond spectacular when it comes to beauty. It is very hard to describe.

You are talking specifically about physical appearance here, right??

In other words, Julia's face is "very beautiful", whereas Alizee's face is "beyond spectacular when it comes to beauty." That's what you are saying, right???

(If that's what you are saying, then I agree 100%. But is that what you are saying???)

[CleverCowboy]

Originally Posted by Fall

In my opinion, she's definitely cute but the music video is awkward and uncomfortable to watch. They tried so hard to make her look all pure and almost virginal, while teasing the "chemistry" between her and the white guy. The black guy is kinda just third wheeling, seemingly only there because they felt compelled to cast a non-white person, but they couldn't be the love interest - I dunno.

I think the same way about that video. She looks like she's scared stiff. She might not be, but it comes off that way to me.

I poked a little bit of fun about the whole teenage sexual tension theme of the SEXTO video earlier in this thread. Predictable.

In overly-political correct U.S., the white girl crushing on the white guy when there is a black there there would be considered racist, so it would have be to be rewritten that she likes the black guy. Or alternatively, neither of them like her back because the two guys are gay. (I would like to say this is all joking)

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Originally Posted by Mr Coucou

Clevercowboy, let me ask you the same question that I asked Scruffy:

Suppose I laid out a series of still photographs of Julia in front of you. How would you rate Julia? Based on the photographs, would you say that Julia is the top 20% of women by looks? Would you say that Julia is in the top 15% of women by looks? Top 10% of women by looks? Top 5%??? Top 2%??? Give me a number that sounds about right to you.

These are very good questions and made me think about how best to answer this. This actually can make for an interesting discussion. We can just talk about still photos, as you suggest, without being biased by facial expressions or personality traits.

Based upon our preferences in what we consider attractive, and the recollection of the universe of the females we have seen, we come to our own conclusion of what we consider "average". It's like the hump in the bell curve that we all saw in our statistics class in school. Most people fit somewhere in the average category, like the 3-7 range when you are asked where a person fits on a scale of 1 to 10. A beautiful person would stand out from the rest, very beautiful even further, and the perfect 10 is the representation of what we consider the ultimate beauty. It is also very relative, according to our liking.

Julia right off the bat has a number of things going her way, beauty-wise. She is young, and with youth comes a lot of advantages regarding beauty: flawless skin, silky hair, bright eyes, etc. She hasn't lost any collagen and gravity has not yet take any toll. Because of these natural advantages, I would place her in the top 10% at this point in her life. I have commented to somebody before that I think Julia will hit her peak beauty in the next few years, if not already peaked. As she matures past 20, I think her looks will drop off.

At 17, I thought Alizee was a very beautiful girl, but she still had some awkward qualities. Over the next few years, she moved into the "stunning" or "take your breath away" category and has been good to maintain that.

A couple of recent photos





One of my recent finds, Alizee with glasses. Wow!



This is one of my favorites of Alizee. This is the one that I sent to Scruffy and he printed it off so that Alizee could sign it when he went to Ajaccio.



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Originally Posted by Mr Coucou

You are talking specifically about physical appearance here, right??

In other words, Julia's face is "very beautiful", whereas Alizee's face is "beyond spectacular when it comes to beauty." That's what you are saying, right???

(If that's what you are saying, then I agree 100%. But is that what you are saying???)

That is exactly what I am saying.

[eru777]

Originally Posted by Fall

Dangerous is my favorite so no argument there

That's because it's his best album XD

[Mr Coucou]

Originally Posted by CleverCowboy

Based upon our preferences in what we consider attractive, and the recollection of the universe of the females we have seen, we come to our own conclusion of what we consider "average". It's like the hump in the bell curve that we all saw in our statistics class in school. Most people fit somewhere in the average category, like the 3-7 range when you are asked where a person fits on a scale of 1 to 10. A beautiful person would stand out from the rest, very beautiful even further, and the perfect 10 is the representation of what we consider the ultimate beauty. It is also very relative, according to our liking.

There has been some scientific research into this. "Looks theory", I guess you might call it.

I've been interested in looks theory for a long time. And then in March of this year, I found Alizee--- Alizee would be an interesting case study for looks theory, because there's something unusual about Alizee's face. When I watch En Concert, for instance, my brain keeps telling me that Alizee's face is beyond beautiful--- but the "beyond" part makes me wonder as to exactly what my brain is perceiving.

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Originally Posted by CleverCowboy

Julia right off the bat has a number of things going her way, beauty-wise. She is young, and with youth comes a lot of advantages regarding beauty: flawless skin, silky hair, bright eyes, etc. She hasn't lost any collagen and gravity has not yet take any toll. Because of these natural advantages, I would place her in the top 10% at this point in her life. I have commented to somebody before that I think Julia will hit her peak beauty in the next few years, if not already peaked. As she matures past 20, I think her looks will drop off.

When I was saying that Julia is in the top 15% by looks, I meant that Julia is in the top 15% of girls her age.

Just to confirm, is that what you meant by 10%??? You're saying that Julia is in the top 10% of girls her age?

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Originally Posted by CleverCowboy

At 17, I thought Alizee was a very beautiful girl, but she still had some awkward qualities. Over the next few years, she moved into the "stunning" or "take your breath away" category and has been good to maintain that.

In terms of this "awkwardness", is it something that can be seen in still photographs of Alizee?

As far as aging goes, at 34 Alizee is not what she was at 18-19-- no one is-- but I think her looks are holding up well.

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Originally Posted by Scruffydog777

But I be hard pressed to find one of someone who closely resembles Alizee and just looking at her image herself, often doesn't reveal that special something that lies beneath which we get a hint of at moments like in the beginning of ACC with the sparkle of her eyes or JPVA at the Eiffel tower at the incredibly beautiful moment after the song where she dips her head.

Its adorable the way Alizee dips her head after JPVA.

But if it was Julia dipping her head like that at the end of a song, would it have the same effect on you as Alizee dipping her head at the end of a song???

I don't think that Julia dipping her head would be the same--- do you???

The defining factor here is not "head-dipping", it is Alizee's looks--- isn't it???

Does that make sense?

[CleverCowboy]

Originally Posted by Mr Coucou

When I was saying that Julia is in the top 15% by looks, I meant that Julia is in the top 15% of girls her age.

Just to confirm, is that what you meant by 10%??? You're saying that Julia is in the top 10% of girls her age?

I would say 10% of the age range of 18-25, even though I know she is 17, I think her looks have matured sufficiently to fit into that group.

Originally Posted by Mr Coucou

In terms of this "awkwardness", is it something that can be seen in still photographs of Alizee?

As far as aging goes, at 34 Alizee is not what she was at 18-19-- no one is-- but I think her looks are holding up well.

The early awkwardness was more in her movements, so I probably could not illustrate that with a still photograph. Some of her early performances of Gourmandises compared to later ones show the difference well. One thing I did not care for in her early days were those very long fingernails. She is petite anyway, but at ages 16-17 you add those nails, they looked monstrous in comparison. I might be able to make the case that they made her look awkward a bit, and there are many stills of that. When she cut them down to "secretary" sized nails, her fingers and hands were much more attractive and it fit her personality better.

I am 23 years older than Alizee, so no matter how old she gets, she will always be a "young lady" to me. I think she is still gorgeous even though she has experienced the normal signs of aging. My first videos that I had seen of Alizee was during her MCE days, so there will always be something special about how she looked during those days. But I have appreciated her beauty throughout her career. She has looked happy and content lately, and that has made her more radiant.

Originally Posted by Mr Coucou

Its adorable the way Alizee dips her head after JPVA.

But if it was Julia dipping her head like that at the end of a song, would it have the same effect on you as Alizee dipping her head at the end of a song???

I don't think that Julia dipping her head would be the same--- do you???

The defining factor here is not "head-dipping", it is Alizee's looks--- isn't it???

Does that make sense?

It makes sense and if Julia had all the charm of Alizee, it still wouldn't be the same. There are some things that Alizee does during her performances, like the head dip, but other traits that are just part of her normal personality. Her face scrunch is one. Sense of humor is another.

I think we discussed this before in another thread, but what about if Alizee was a waitress at a restaurant that you frequent, and not a singer? However, you get a chance to know her pretty good by chatting every time she brings you your eggs over easy, side of bacon, and rye toast. Would she have the same effect over you?

[Mr Coucou]

Originally Posted by CleverCowboy

It makes sense and if Julia had all the charm of Alizee, it still wouldn't be the same. There are some things that Alizee does during her performances, like the head dip, but other traits that are just part of her normal personality. Her face scrunch is one. Sense of humor is another.

Yes. If Julia did the exact same head-dip, it wouldn't have anywhere near the same effect--- at least that's how I see it.

(So this means that Alizee's physical beauty is the essential ingredient-- doesn't it???)

In the last few days, I've been thinking of a chemistry analogy--- perhaps Alizee's physical beauty is the fuel, and her personality and mannerisms serve as a catalyst.

In the terms of the Eiffel Tower head-dip, Alizee's physical beauty would be the fuel and the head-dip would be the catalyst. And so we have:

fuel + catalyst ==> combustion

If we have Julia perform the head-dip, we have the head-dip action, but we don't have Alizee's physical beauty. In other words, we have catalyst but no fuel:

catalyst but no fuel ==> no combustion

Similarly, if we had Julia perform J'en Ai Marre, we would have the dance action, but we wouldn't have Alizee's physical beauty. Again, we would have catalyst, but no fuel:

catalyst but no fuel ==> no combustion

Originally Posted by CleverCowboy

I think we discussed this before in another thread, but what about if Alizee was a waitress at a restaurant that you frequent, and not a singer? However, you get a chance to know her pretty good by chatting every time she brings you your eggs over easy, side of bacon, and rye toast. Would she have the same effect over you?

Your waitress hypothesis is a good point. As merely a waitress, I don't think Alizee would have anywhere near the same effect.

Again, I would argue that Alizee's physical beauty is the fuel. And her head-dipping, her mannerisms during interviews, her dancing and so on--- that which we perceive via Youtube---- works as a catalyst.

So as a waitress, we would have her physical beauty (fuel), but not the youtube imagery (catalyst).

fuel but no catalyst ==> no combustion