Alizee: To love, lust or both

[madraven]

Originally Posted by Rocket

As Sigmund Freud once said, 'Sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar.' I became a member because I wanted to find out more about Alizee. I stayed a member because I made friends here.

One such friend is Amelie. I invited her to my messenger and the first time we chatted went on for hours. The more we talked the more we found out how much we have in common. Within the next few days we've became as close as sisters. I love her very much. This does not make us gay in any sense of the word.

Since I've been a member I've recieved emails calling me a dyke, a lesbian, a whore, a bitch...the list goes on. All of them came from members 16 or younger so I decided to ignore them and stay. I've discussed this with Brad before, and he asked me to reveal their names and he would ban them. I turned down the offer becuase I just chalked it up to their mentality. Since then, the hate mail has vanished.

I'm actually surprised after having read that. At no point would I ever consider any female, either on here or elsewhere, who was a fan of Alizée, or any female artist for that matter, a lesbian, simply on the basis of being a fan.

[Deepwaters]

Originally Posted by Rocket

I became a member because I wanted to find out more about Alizee. I stayed a member because I made friends here.

One such friend is Amelie. I invited her to my messenger and the first time we chatted went on for hours. The more we talked the more we found out how much we have in common. Within the next few days we've became as close as sisters. I love her very much. This does not make us gay in any sense of the word.

Which was exactly my point, Rocket: that being more than "just a fan" of Alizée does NOT make a woman gay -- not that it DOES. Did I not make that clear enough? All part of saying that her appeal isn't primarily sexual.

Alizée's appeal is primarily to the heart -- very much the same as Amelie's appeal to you -- and it is something that reaches out to both genders equally. The sex appeal is secondary, and I contend that her musical appeal is also secondary, even though both can be very strong.

There have been several threads in here in which people were expressing bewilderment as to what it is about Alizée that's so captivating. Her voice? Enya's is just as good, perhaps better, and I could name several others too. Her beauty? Plenty of hot babes out there; nothing unique about Alizée's anatomy or facial features, although she's certainly lovely. Her sex appeal? Plenty of that to choose from, too. She doesn't play any instruments and she doesn't write music or lyrics, although either of those may have changed in the last four years. There are many other artists who are virtuosos at one or both and would put her in the shade.

So the draw is a mystery. But what I believe it is, is the power of love. Everything else -- the voice, the dancing, the beauty, everything -- is just enhancement to that. We're all captivated by it, even when we think we're captivated by something else, whether it's her voice or her hip movements. There's nothing more powerful in the whole world, and somehow Alizée manages to convey it to a whole lot of people she doesn't even know. Some people aren't sensitive to it, I think. But I also think those people don't remain interested in her for long. Certainly not across a 4-year inactivity gap.

Anyway, I'm not sure how you got the idea that I was calling you a lesbian when I was in fact saying the exact opposite, but whatever. Is it clearer now?

[atra201]

Originally Posted by MiamMiam

I don't agree with that at all...I don't see Alizée as some sort of Saint, I see her as a normal girl. Also, I don't lust after her nor do I think of her sexually considering the fact that I'm a GIRL and don't think of girls in that manner. You guys forget that girls can be fans of Alizée too, I'm so sick of everyone assuming that people only like Alizée because she's "hot" and they'd want to bang her as you guys so lightly put it . So I would fit in the fan category.

not all of us do that

[Rocket]

Deepwater, how can I make it anymore clearer to you? I'm just a fan....that's all. If Alizee were to come out with a new album tomorrow I'd buy it. If Alizee were to die tomorrow I would say 'That's too bad.' and then go on with my life. Please don't try and read anymore into it.

[thats amazazazing]

Originally Posted by Rocket

Deepwater, how can I make it anymore clearer to you? I'm just a fan....that's all. If Alizee were to come out with a new album tomorrow I'd buy it. If Alizee were to die tomorrow I would say 'That's too bad.' and then go on with my life. Please don't try and read anymore into it.

I pretty much agree with this statement.

[DJ_Greg]

Originally Posted by Rocket

Deepwater, how can I make it anymore clearer to you? I'm just a fan....that's all. If Alizee were to come out with a new album tomorrow I'd buy it. If Alizee were to die tomorrow I would say 'That's too bad.' and then go on with my life. Please don't try and read anymore into it.

What we have here is a classic case of miscommunication.


...on second thought, nevermind. I'm not getting involved.

[Deepwaters]

Originally Posted by DJ_Greg

What we have here is a classic case of miscommunication.

I think you're right, and I also think it's probably not remediable. It seems to come up a lot when Rocket and I try to talk, regardless of subject, which is unfortunate, but there it is.

[SupaKrupa]

This is simple. If people haven't figured it out already, it's down below.

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There's different levels of being a fan. Simple. Some are fans of her voice only. Some are fans of her looks only. Some are fans of her sex appeal only. Some are fans of her personality only. Some are fans of a combination. Some are fans of all. Some lust because she's hot. Some don't. It's so simple yet it seems that people don't realise that others can like different aspects. Hell, I don't even know if "fan" is the right word to use!

If MM isn't sexually attracted to her, does it mean that she's not a fan or that Alizée isn't sexually attractive? If Rocket says she's a fan, why isn't she a fan? Why does it have to be more? Why is being a fan being based on how far you take it? (Joining a fansite, posters on your walls, having every single commercial product there is). I consider myself a fan. Do I have every single commercial product produced? No... Do I find Alizée sexually attractive? Yes. However, do I lust over her? No. Do I realise that others may lust over her and may not find her sexually attractive? Yes.

I may be implying that the lot of you don't realise that people are different... (lol) But obviously, it's knowledge you're born with. At the same time, some people like to justify their actions and/or feelings. Some like to question why others don't feel the same way. Even I question it sometimes And some... acknowledge the fact that "To each their own" is REAL. Even in the wonderful, magically, beautiful Land of Alizée, people have different opinions and views of things. I could go on forever and ever and ever so I'll finish it up

I'm preaching "Free Thought/Speech" here, so it's ironic/hypocritical that I'm telling you all to realise that people are different and I'm telling you to accept it. Not 2 years ago, I was a bitch of a teen. Things slowly changed. Alizée came into my life and now I'd like to think I'm wiser and a better person. I understand people more (As much as I'd luuuurve to live in a world with only me ). I accept them for whatever decision they make, be it one I like or dislike. (If I've done anything to contradict this, my humble apologies)

With that said, me getting to know people better... >>>http://moi-alizee.us/forums/showthre...5090#post35090 <<<

Peace !

[AlphaQuattro]

Ok I see, there are different camps.


But...



Shouldn't camps, y'know, ... fight each other? and determine who is in fact the superior camp? Like, camp-off's, or battle of the camps, to see who is in fact the alpha camp!

I mean, without hierarchy, there's just chaos


Just thinking here that's all.






And certainly, a female Alizee fan is definately not necessarily gay.






But imagine how hot that would be though.




Again just thinking here, nevermind.

[garçoncanadien]

Alizée is greater than the sum of her parts.