What Military were/are U?

[SwedishFan]

Originally Posted by Bud10

I don't think infantry and MP still uses it but I think it might be still used in the special forces. But I like the Colt as well, the Berreta is a good handgun but its kind of bulky. My uncle has one and its kind of bulky around the handle imo.

Yeah i think it´s kinda bulky too,it´s sort of thick to grasp,the Colt is not that thick in the handle grip,and i really like the 45 ACP,it makes really easy to spot holes in the paper target at 25 meters(typical competition range to target).But the reason why the Beretta is so bulky is because the bullets in the magazine are sort of stacked in a zig zag formation,and the Colt´s bullets are in a single row.The advantage regarding the Beretta is that it´s magazine holds more bullets than the Colt,but you usually dont need more than 6 bullets at a time when you are in a competition at the shooting range.
(Sorry i´m drifting of topic here,,please continue.)

[SwedishFan]

Originally Posted by Edcognito

Colt hasn't been used since the US military went to the berretta... There might be a couple still in use at this late date, but i doubt it......


Ed

Hmm,,ok Ed,,thanks for the info.Too bad that the Colt has been discarded though,i love it,it´s a classic handgun that has proven itself over the years.

[Edcognito]

The link below SHOULD be a picture of my ship (or the one I identify with after all these years) steaming back into port...

The Gun Mount to the front of the ship is a MK. 42, 5 Inch/54 Caliber, rapid fire, dual purpose gun (Air/Surface targets). (MK. 42 Gun Crew ftw!)

We were also armed with an ASROC (Anti-Submarine ROCket) Launcher (behind my gun in the picture), and a NATO Seasparrow Missle launcher aft (the back of the boat). The Seasparrow was replaced with a "PHALANX" 20 mm Gatling gun for anti-missle defence.

Aylwin was decommissioned May 15, 1992 and struck January 11, 1995 to be disposed of through the Security Assistance Program (SAP), transferred, Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) Section 516, Southern Region Amendment, to Taiwan April 29, 1998 as Ni Yang (F 938).


http://moi-alizee.us/forums/gallery2...2_itemId=37966


Heh, I had a LOT of fun on this ship.

Wiki Linky -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Aylwin_(FF-1081)

[Bud10]

Originally Posted by Edcognito

The link below SHOULD be a picture of my ship (or the one I identify with after all these years) steaming back into port...

The Gun Mount to the front of the ship is a MK. 42, 5 Inch/54 Caliber, rapid fire, dual purpose gun (Air/Surface targets). (MK. 42 Gun Crew ftw!)

We were also armed with an ASROC (Anti-Submarine ROCket) Launcher (behind my gun in the picture), and a NATO Seasparrow Missle launcher aft (the back of the boat). The Seasparrow was replaced with a "PHALANX" 20 mm Gatling gun for anti-missle defence.

Aylwin was decommissioned May 15, 1992 and struck January 11, 1995 to be disposed of through the Security Assistance Program (SAP), transferred, Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) Section 516, Southern Region Amendment, to Taiwan April 29, 1998 as Ni Yang (F 938).


http://moi-alizee.us/forums/gallery2...2_itemId=37966


Heh, I had a LOT of fun on this ship.

Wiki Linky -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Aylwin_(FF-1081)

They really made them ships smaller huh? Not really nearly as big anymore like the ships from WW2.

[Edcognito]

Originally Posted by Bud10

They really made them ships smaller huh? Not really nearly as big anymore like the ships from WW2.

Heh, don't know what your comparing to? Destroyers in WWII weighed in around 2200 tons....

My ship weighed in at 3000 tons.... I'll wiki some ship classes, modern ones first....


Knox Class Fast Frigate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knox_class_frigate

Ticonderoga (Aegis Class) Cruiser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticonderoga_class_cruiser

Mahan Class Destroyer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahan_class_destroyer

Summner Class Destroyer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_M._Sumner_class


Ed

A lot of the WWII class ships are heavier than their modern counterparts, because the WWII ships are Armour Plated. Didn't help them survive, so the Navy turned to keeping the guns, missles and bombs further away.... Knox class is 438' long.... Sumner Class was 369'.

We were MUCH more stable in rough weather....... HELL of a lot of fun to ride while navigating in heavy seas!


Now, if your comparing to BB's? well, here are the Iowa Class BB's specs:

Displacement: 45,000 tons (standard); 52,000 tons (mean war service);
58,000 tons (full load)

Length: 861¼ ft between perpendiculars; 890 ft overall (271.27 m)

Beam: 108 ft (32.92 m)

Draught: 36 ft (10.97 m) Maximum

Propulsion
and power: 4 screws; geared turbines; 8 Babcock & Wilcox Boilers; G.E. (BB-61;BB-63); West. (BB-62; BB-64; BB-66); 212,000 shp

Speed: 33 knots (61.12 km/h nominal);35 knots (64.82 km/h maximum)

Range: 9,600 miles (15,000 km) @ 25 knots (46 km/h);
16,600 miles (27,000 km) @ 15 knots (28 km/h)

Armor: Belt: 12.1 in (307 mm),[4]
Bulkheads: 11.3 in (287 mm),[4]
Barbettes: 11.6 to 17.3 in (295 to 439 mm),[4]
Turrets: 19.7 in (500 mm),[4]
Decks: 7.5 in (191 mm)[4]

Complement: 2,700 officers and men (World War II, Korea and Vietnam), 1,800 officers and men (1980s)[1]

Armament: World War II, Korea, Vietnam:
9 × 16 in (406 mm) 50 cal. Mark 7 guns[2]
20 × 5 in (127 mm) 38 cal. Mark 12 guns[3]
80 × 40 mm 56 cal. anti-aircraft guns
49 × 20 mm 70 cal. anti-aircraft guns

Cold War, Gulf War:
9 × 16 in (406 mm) 50 cal. Mark 7 guns
12 × 5 in (127 mm) 38 cal. Mark 12 guns
32 × BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles
16 × RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-Ship missiles
4 × 20 mm/76 cal. Phalanx CIWS
Aircraft carried:

World War II: 3 × Vought OS2U Kingfisher/Curtiss SC Seahawk; Korea/Vietnam: 3 × helicopters;

Cold War/Gulf War: 8 × RQ-2 Pioneer Unmanned aerial vehicle

And now a "Nimitz Class Carrier"

* Builder: Newport News Shipbuilding Company, Newport News, Virginia

* Power Plant: Two A4W reactors, four shafts
* Length: 333 m (1092 ft) overall

* Flight Deck Width: 76.8 - 78.4 m (252 - 257 ft 5in)

* Beam: 41 m (134 ft)
* Displacement: 98,235 - 104,112 tons full load

* Speed: 30+ knots (56+ km/h)

I don't know what their top speed is, but I've seen a Carrier pass us like we were standing still while my ship was doing 28 knots. I would estimate that the carrier was actually going like 40 knots, although I don't know for SURE, I can tell you that her top speed isn't any "30 knots".....



* Aircraft: 85 (current wings are closer to 64, including 48 tactical and 16 support aircraft)
o Intended to operate aircraft currently including the F/A-18 Hornet, EA-6B Prowler, E-2 Hawkeye, C-2 Greyhound, SH/HH-60 Seahawk, and S-3 Viking for many missions including self defense, land attack and maritime strike.

* Cost: about US$4.5 billion each

* Average Annual Operating Cost: US$160 million

* Service Life: 50+ years

* Crew: Ship's Company: 3,200 — Air Wing: 2,480

* Armament:
o NATO Sea Sparrow launchers: three or four (depending on modification)
o 20 mm Phalanx CIWS mounts: Three on Nimitz and Eisenhower and four on Vinson and later ships of the class, except Roosevelt and Washington which have three. (USS Ronald Reagan has none, initially outfitted with Rolling Airframe Missile system during construction)
o RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile: Two on Nimitz, Washington and Reagan, will be retrofitted to other ships as they return for RCOH.

* Date Deployed: May 3, 1975 (Nimitz)

[SilentFox]

Thats alot of info there Ed!!

[Bud10]

Originally Posted by Edcognito

Heh, don't know what your comparing to? Destroyers in WWII weighed in around 2200 tons....

My ship weighed in at 3000 tons.... I'll wiki some ship classes, modern ones first....


Knox Class Fast Frigate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knox_class_frigate

Ticonderoga (Aegis Class) Cruiser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticonderoga_class_cruiser

Mahan Class Destroyer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahan_class_destroyer

Summner Class Destroyer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_M._Sumner_class


Ed

A lot of the WWII class ships are heavier than their modern counterparts, because the WWII ships are Armour Plated. Didn't help them survive, so the Navy turned to keeping the guns, missles and bombs further away.... Knox class is 438' long.... Sumner Class was 369'.

We were MUCH more stable in rough weather....... HELL of a lot of fun to ride while navigating in heavy seas!


Now, if your comparing to BB's? well, here are the Iowa Class BB's specs:

Displacement: 45,000 tons (standard); 52,000 tons (mean war service);
58,000 tons (full load)

Length: 861¼ ft between perpendiculars; 890 ft overall (271.27 m)

Beam: 108 ft (32.92 m)

Draught: 36 ft (10.97 m) Maximum

Propulsion
and power: 4 screws; geared turbines; 8 Babcock & Wilcox Boilers; G.E. (BB-61;BB-63); West. (BB-62; BB-64; BB-66); 212,000 shp

Speed: 33 knots (61.12 km/h nominal);35 knots (64.82 km/h maximum)

Range: 9,600 miles (15,000 km) @ 25 knots (46 km/h);
16,600 miles (27,000 km) @ 15 knots (28 km/h)

Armor: Belt: 12.1 in (307 mm),[4]
Bulkheads: 11.3 in (287 mm),[4]
Barbettes: 11.6 to 17.3 in (295 to 439 mm),[4]
Turrets: 19.7 in (500 mm),[4]
Decks: 7.5 in (191 mm)[4]

Complement: 2,700 officers and men (World War II, Korea and Vietnam), 1,800 officers and men (1980s)[1]

Armament: World War II, Korea, Vietnam:
9 × 16 in (406 mm) 50 cal. Mark 7 guns[2]
20 × 5 in (127 mm) 38 cal. Mark 12 guns[3]
80 × 40 mm 56 cal. anti-aircraft guns
49 × 20 mm 70 cal. anti-aircraft guns

Cold War, Gulf War:
9 × 16 in (406 mm) 50 cal. Mark 7 guns
12 × 5 in (127 mm) 38 cal. Mark 12 guns
32 × BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles
16 × RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-Ship missiles
4 × 20 mm/76 cal. Phalanx CIWS
Aircraft carried:

World War II: 3 × Vought OS2U Kingfisher/Curtiss SC Seahawk; Korea/Vietnam: 3 × helicopters;

Cold War/Gulf War: 8 × RQ-2 Pioneer Unmanned aerial vehicle

And now a "Nimitz Class Carrier"

* Builder: Newport News Shipbuilding Company, Newport News, Virginia

* Power Plant: Two A4W reactors, four shafts
* Length: 333 m (1092 ft) overall

* Flight Deck Width: 76.8 - 78.4 m (252 - 257 ft 5in)

* Beam: 41 m (134 ft)
* Displacement: 98,235 - 104,112 tons full load

* Speed: 30+ knots (56+ km/h)

I don't know what their top speed is, but I've seen a Carrier pass us like we were standing still while my ship was doing 28 knots. I would estimate that the carrier was actually going like 40 knots, although I don't know for SURE, I can tell you that her top speed isn't any "30 knots".....



* Aircraft: 85 (current wings are closer to 64, including 48 tactical and 16 support aircraft)
o Intended to operate aircraft currently including the F/A-18 Hornet, EA-6B Prowler, E-2 Hawkeye, C-2 Greyhound, SH/HH-60 Seahawk, and S-3 Viking for many missions including self defense, land attack and maritime strike.

* Cost: about US$4.5 billion each

* Average Annual Operating Cost: US$160 million

* Service Life: 50+ years

* Crew: Ship's Company: 3,200 — Air Wing: 2,480

* Armament:
o NATO Sea Sparrow launchers: three or four (depending on modification)
o 20 mm Phalanx CIWS mounts: Three on Nimitz and Eisenhower and four on Vinson and later ships of the class, except Roosevelt and Washington which have three. (USS Ronald Reagan has none, initially outfitted with Rolling Airframe Missile system during construction)
o RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile: Two on Nimitz, Washington and Reagan, will be retrofitted to other ships as they return for RCOH.

* Date Deployed: May 3, 1975 (Nimitz)

Thanks for the info. But yeah i was comparing that ship you posted to WW2 Battleships. I have a model of USS Arizona on top of my computer desk and just noticed how smaller Navy ships gotten since WW2.

[OGRE]

Originally Posted by Bud10

Thanks for the info. But yeah i was comparing that ship you posted to WW2 Battleships. I have a model of USS Arizona on top of my computer desk and just noticed how smaller Navy ships gotten since WW2.

Battleships were built to carry the guns. For the most part, we no longer need the big guns. That, and the Battleship is too big, too costly, too vulnerable, and too cumbersome in today's world.

[Edcognito]

Originally Posted by Bud10

Thanks for the info. But yeah i was comparing that ship you posted to WW2 Battleships. I have a model of USS Arizona on top of my computer desk and just noticed how smaller Navy ships gotten since WW2.

Arizona was intended to go into battle as part of a "Surface Action Group" - the tactics of the day called for ships to steam in line and (hopefully) cross the course of the enemy ships at right angles (if the enemy was steaming on a course of 180 degrees, the best angle to cross them would be to come from 270 or 90 degrees). This put your maximum firepower to bear on the enemy, from the majority of your ships, while preventing the enemy from fully engaging you with his own main batteries. That manuver is called "crossing the T"....

A comparable ship to the class that I was on would have been the Sumner class destroyer. Small, fast, lightly armed ships used to screen heavier ships & formations, escort transports or anti-submarine warfare.

With the developement of Missle technology, the size comparison is a little decieving tho, because a destroyer of WWII would be VERY hard pressed to defeat a Cruiser class ship of the time, while nowadays, My ship had the potential (with Harpoon missles) of taking on ANY size ship and doing heavy to fatal damage.....

So yea, we were small, but we carried a BIG bite!

Ed

P.S. - 700th post......

WITHOUT SPAM!

Ed

[AmericanFan]

Then the USAF came along making ships obsolete.